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  bcbully

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8/27/14 12:39:15 PM#41
Originally posted by Anireth

Not particulary interested in ESO, though i might check it out if it ever goes F2P. But: "Ingame currency" can mean everything. Neverwinter has like a hundred different ingame currencies. Ingame currency just means exactly that - a currency that only exists in the game. How you acquire it is a totally different thing.

While i don't think they meant this, given the backlash it would create, they technically wouldn't be wrong if the only way to acquire the ingame currency would be by cold hard cash.

This is ridiculous and irresponsible by mmorpg.com.

 

Paul's comments were said at Quakecom in front of thousands of people. It was said w/o the thought that anyone would even mistake the comment as meaning sold for cash. ZOS responded to this directly, DIRECTLY. No cash. Think badges like WoW.

 

Don't you think there would have been an uproar? Don't you think any number of media outlets would have picked this up months ago? 

 

  Beelzebobbie

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If DaoC was so fun why don't you just play it?

8/27/14 12:52:52 PM#42
I'm hoping for B2P then I will buy it.
  azzamasin

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8/27/14 12:55:54 PM#43
One can only hope.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  Dakirn

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8/27/14 12:56:57 PM#44
Rift started a sub reward program before it went F2P. It's not outrageous to think Zenimax could do the same thing.
  Kangaroomouse

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8/27/14 1:05:45 PM#45
Originally posted by Dakirn
Rift started a sub reward program before it went F2P. It's not outrageous to think Zenimax could do the same thing.

ESO already did start a reward program.

  Reklaw

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8/27/14 1:27:49 PM#46
Originally posted by APThug
Didnt zenimax say a long time ago that ESO would start off as a p2p game for some months and then move to f2p? Or has everyone silently forgotten? Gamespot posted an article about it on their site

Please refresh my memory with some sort of direct link to that article.

To me it aint silently forgotten, more like never ever read or heard about it.

Unless you heard the little snippet around 1:52 at http://www.gamespot.com/videos/why-do-mmorpg-subscription-fees-still-exist/2300-6420410/

 

  JeroKane

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8/27/14 1:38:24 PM#47
Originally posted by Ides385

Yeah the gear is to be sold for in game currency, so half of this article is pointless.

 

How about bringing up the fact that all these updates and improvements wouldn't be possible unless it was subscription based.

 

That is a big reason why people want it to stay P2P.

 

If it went F2P (or B2P), you would get occasional tid bits of content. Nothing like they are doing now. So yeah at that point I would probably quit because there is nothing to look forward to. I've never been able to play a F2P game over a month or two because there is nothing to look forward to.

 

And no F2P is not the norm. It was a stupid fad that creates a lot of bad games. The best MMO's have been P2P because they've had strong development for years. Given ESO willingness to listen to its players, it has more promise then any MMO I've played since Ultima Online. 

 
 

 We can bring this up time and again, but people are unwilling to see this.

  rodingo

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8/27/14 1:39:42 PM#48
Originally posted by Dakirn
Rift started a sub reward program before it went F2P. It's not outrageous to think Zenimax could do the same thing.

Yup and now there is talk of them selling gear to players so they can catch up to others.  Rift also does that.  Since Rift is one of the most recent western MMO F2P convertees, ZOS might be using their template since Trion reported success with it.  This is what Simon Finch of Trion said about Rift going F2P:

“We just wanted to remove the barrier to entry that we had in RIFT. It was like opening the floodgates, it was pretty amazing,” Ffinch revealed.

“All I’ll say is that it [the free-to-play transition] has been really exciting, and has far exceeded our expectations and continues to do so. We thought we were going to see a lot of people leave, that were going to be upset by it, but I’m happy to say that didn’t happen.”

Maybe Paul Sage wants to be able to say the same thing?  I don't see why not.  Trion is happy with their transition I don't see why ZOS wouldn't be if they switched over as well.  If it brings in more players and more money, why not?  SWTOR and EA is another case in point. 

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  SuperNick

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8/27/14 1:43:11 PM#49

Adjusting their business model could mean something as simple as introducing a F2P 1-20 experience.

I highly doubt they'll completely revamp their model at this stage, especially since things are on the up and up for ZOS and their subscriber count is definitely turning a profit for them.

  grimal

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8/27/14 1:54:44 PM#50
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by bcbully

I had to look at the date of this article. 

 

I was watching the stream when he said that. In that same stream he laughed when people asked "for cash?!?!" and replied no, in game currency, vendor. 

 

I've seen better, more up to date articles from 18 post forum newbs to be honest. 

 

edit- Jessica, ESO community manager shortly after Paul Sages comments responded in the steam's chat "items for sale in season sets was with IN GAME currency. Not real life money".

 

I never thought about the meaning of "troll bait" before. I understand now. It's like I just had an epiphany. 

Is it any wonder that Reddit has become a better place to discuss anything related to ESO?

 

If this article isn't just unadulterated clickbait, it at the very least shows how oblivious mmorpg.com is to what's what in the ESO world.

 

Yes, in game vendor selling for gold, That was made clear immediately after Sage made that comment. But hey, let's ignore that part.

I have been slowly moving over to Reddit for my MMO fixes since this site has become an absolute cesspool (as further exemplified by the OP).

"I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you." - Robin Williams

  grimal

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8/27/14 2:03:12 PM#51
Originally posted by Kyleran

But, are they planning on selling in game gold for cash in the shop at some point?  Doesn't make the game F2P, but wouldn't surprise me to see something like  this.

Total speculation I realize, no reason to go rabid fan-bois.

 

 

The problem is the staff here are now contributing to the current trend of trash posts.  There is no real discussion at all in these forums.  It's just post after post of utter garbage.

What is the purpose of this post?  It's pure speculation and offers no real discussion.  And to feature it as a column?  I have reached an age where spending time on this sort of bullshit is an utter waste of time.  I don't care what game it is.  Have some fucking integrity, MMORPG.  Stop creating bullshit posts and stooping to the level of the troll here which you are only so happy to issue a warning or ban.  Is it any wonder why this site has lost so many good members over the years?

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  SEANMCAD

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8/27/14 2:07:40 PM#52

guys....

F2P model does not mean a downgrade because of a lack of players.

From what I heard from Gabe Newell, F2P model increases you player count by 70% and your revenue by 30%.

I am not a fan of the F2P model either but it appears because of that fact above its going to be a trend for all games successful or not.

Correlation does not imply causation

  Hersaint

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8/27/14 2:09:19 PM#53

Seems expensive to me for a game with limited replay ability. What is it at now? Is it still $60 US plus $15/mo? yikes

  cerulean2012

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8/27/14 2:13:05 PM#54

You wanted to be shown another company that redid it's game after launch because the players didn't like it, well FFXIV did just that.

Regardless of that it is good that ESO is trying to fix some of the poorer areas of the game, still have work to do.

  APThug

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8/27/14 4:20:55 PM#55
Originally posted by Reklaw
Originally posted by APThug
Didnt zenimax say a long time ago that ESO would start off as a p2p game for some months and then move to f2p? Or has everyone silently forgotten? Gamespot posted an article about it on their site

Please refresh my memory with some sort of direct link to that article.

To me it aint silently forgotten, more like never ever read or heard about it.

Unless you heard the little snippet around 1:52 at http://www.gamespot.com/videos/why-do-mmorpg-subscription-fees-still-exist/2300-6420410/

 

It's right here: 

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/elder-scrolls-online-will-eventually-be-free-to-play-analyst/1100-6375882/

Sorry if the link doesn't work, just copy and paste. It's an old post, idk if its still valid.

 

  Reklaw

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8/27/14 4:30:42 PM#56
Originally posted by APThug
Originally posted by Reklaw
Originally posted by APThug
Didnt zenimax say a long time ago that ESO would start off as a p2p game for some months and then move to f2p? Or has everyone silently forgotten? Gamespot posted an article about it on their site

Please refresh my memory with some sort of direct link to that article.

To me it aint silently forgotten, more like never ever read or heard about it.

Unless you heard the little snippet around 1:52 at http://www.gamespot.com/videos/why-do-mmorpg-subscription-fees-still-exist/2300-6420410/

 

It's right here: 

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/elder-scrolls-online-will-eventually-be-free-to-play-analyst/1100-6375882/

Sorry if the link doesn't work, just copy and paste. It's an old post, idk if its still valid.

 

according to Nicholas Lovell, founder of game consultancy firm Gamesbrief. How is he related as someone from Zenimax? Apart from Zenimax being mentioned in the article?

  Thestrain

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8/27/14 5:22:39 PM#57
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Ides385

Yeah the gear is to be sold for in game currency, so half of this article is pointless.

 

How about bringing up the fact that all these updates and improvements wouldn't be possible unless it was subscription based.

 

That is a big reason why people want it to stay P2P.

 

If it went F2P (or B2P), you would get occasional tid bits of content. Nothing like they are doing now. So yeah at that point I would probably quit because there is nothing to look forward to. I've never been able to play a F2P game over a month or two because there is nothing to look forward to.

 

And no F2P is not the norm. It was a stupid fad that creates a lot of bad games. The best MMO's have been P2P because they've had strong development for years. Given ESO willingness to listen to its players, it has more promise then any MMO I've played since Ultima Online. 

 
 

 We can bring this up time and again, but people are unwilling to see this.

Yes because people's experince is different.

'F2P is a fad that creates lots of bad games.'

You and others can say it million times more but it won't become the truth.

Currently enjoying SWTOR, EQ2, STO and Rift all F2P games.

You were quick to agree with a guy who is parroting the old myth that F2P MMOS don't get regular or quality content updates. 

People still believe in this nonsense.

  Paske

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8/27/14 5:27:34 PM#58

Many people cry F2P, but evidence suggest otherwise.

 

Game is in a healthy state ATM. Something that previous AAA MMOs were not at any point in time and went F2P as a result.

 

As for old gear bewing buyable, Paul expplained in an online interview gear will be buyable with gold. Amount of gold is clearly unknown at thos time.

 

I know people are cheap and refuse to pay for a game. But thats just fine for ESO players, less trolls in game.

 

 

  Innkwell

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8/27/14 5:30:27 PM#59

SB Ford....

 Please stop.... [mod edit]

 Please understand that  a ton of people enjoy this game, and if its not for you perhaps you should  try linking articles (or hey, here's a novel idea... you could try writing your own.) about things you actually DO enjoy.

 You are really making me want to never visit this site again every time you post a  "Hey i'm going to hide behind someone else's opinion for fear of backlash" column.

If you think I'm wrong please search this guys recent history... its blatantly obvious.

 

 

 

 

  Thestrain

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8/27/14 5:32:01 PM#60
Originally posted by Paske

Many people cry F2P, but evidence suggest otherwise.

 

Game is in a healthy state ATM. Something that previous AAA MMOs were not at any point in time and went F2P as a result.

 

As for old gear bewing buyable, Paul expplained in an online interview gear will be buyable with gold. Amount of gold is clearly unknown at thos time.

 

I know people are cheap and refuse to pay for a game. But thats just fine for ESO players, less trolls in game.

 

 

Yes because if someone doesn't think a  MMO is worth a monthly fee he has to be cheap.

And most importantly, if you can afford 15 bucks a month it will make you less of a troll. Since we all know for a fact that money and good behavior are co related.

This topic is full of so many nuggets of wisdom. 

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