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  Dibdabs

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8/26/14 4:47:07 AM#41
If you have to ask "Why the hate against gear grinds?" you'll never understand the answers.
  Loktofeit

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8/26/14 6:05:36 AM#42
Originally posted by Alverant

It seems like every game has a few people going on about how it's a gear grind at the end. Don't they get it? If you have gear in your MMO there's going to be gear grinds.

The EQ/WOW-style MMOs taught you well.

 

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  Monamia222

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8/26/14 6:20:43 AM#43
Once upon a time, when leveling took a while, every few levels you went searching for your new abilities or the things you needed to craft them.  The abilities didn't just magically appear or level up without some effort.  That was as exciting or more so than the gear.  Of course, you crafted some of your gear also.  Items with unique abilities were harder to get and were a status symbol.  There were a lot  of things to work toward that wasn't gear grinding.

  Robokapp

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8/26/14 6:37:45 AM#44
Originally posted by Quizzical

Because gear grinds are boring.

have there been any studies associating gear grinding with boredom?

  cheyane

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8/26/14 6:53:04 AM#45
My opinion is there is one type of grind or another if not gear then points or faction or money or horizontal grind or achievement grind or time grind. It makes little sense to try and argue no game is a grind even life is a grind in the end.

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  Aeander

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8/26/14 6:54:39 AM#46
Originally posted by Quizzical

Because gear grinds are boring.

Guild Wars 1 had gear, but no gear grind, unless you count grinding for cosmetic stuff, which you could readily skip if you didn't like it.

 

Guild Wars 1 progression was fantastic. Replaced stat-gear grind with a horizontal skill-hunt and deep building system.

 

I've hated gear grinds ever since I played it and saw a much better system through its mechanics.

  MyownGod

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8/26/14 6:56:12 AM#47
Originally posted by Mavolence
Why the hate against working on an assembly line, I mean you get paid right and it only gets better!

People play video games in general to escape reality and one of the issue of "reality" that people trying to escape is repetition. Yet, people enjoy the repetition of grinding in video games where you are not really gaining anything that would benefit you in real life, its very illogical. Doing things for the sake of survival is different than doing things for the sake of entertainment.

 

People play a female character because they want to be a female or atleast try to understand them. While people that plays as an animal character wants to be an animal, lul jks. 

  MyownGod

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8/26/14 6:59:51 AM#48
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Quizzical

Because gear grinds are boring.

have there been any studies associating gear grinding with boredom?

Not directly however there is studies regarding "repetition", its really based on logic. Ask your self would you work in an assembly line for a very long period of time, and all you get is a sets of fancy clothes instead of money? I don't think you would.

  MyownGod

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8/26/14 7:13:12 AM#49
Originally posted by cheyane
My opinion is there is one type of grind or another if not gear then points or faction or money or horizontal grind or achievement grind or time grind. It makes little sense to try and argue no game is a grind even life is a grind in the end.

Indeed life is a grind, but people that plays video games in general because they want to escape from such reality do they not? Yet what they encounter is yet another grind in another form. Where the elements of immersion became thinner and thinner as this type of behaviour  are encouraged, people starting not to care too much about the Roleplaying element, instead just run back and forth to get a piece of gear that you would just throw away later on, when you get a better one. That piece of gear that you just threw away represent your valuable time spent for getting that piece, unless if  you don't have anything better to spend your time then it should be acceptable. 

I'm only replying to this because behaviour such as this (gear grinding) should not be encouraged. Attaining gear/looks through a series of trials, or event should be the way, to give the playing that exclusive and again veteran looks on your character. Man, I think I'm just describing Guild wars 2 in general, they definitely get things right in the gear perspective, what they did wrong in my opinion is the combat, its great at start but the sub-weapon restriction AH! KILLS IT FOR ME. I just wish my guardian able to use bows and arrow, that's all I want :(.

  kitarad

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8/26/14 7:19:31 AM#50

I know when I was working I enjoyed coming home to do some menial grindy work because my job used to drain my brain and exhaust me. If I did not have something to do where I did not think I would have gone crazy or get a heart attack and die from the stress. I used to knit,crochet and make bead jewelery because it involved  a constant pattern a grind so to speak. I do not think I am alone in this type of quest for relaxing grindy tasks where your mind just takes a back seat as you do them.

 

I used to grind out levels in Everquest and have done 36 hour camps of Fear ,Hate you know the usual stuff we did and after months may be had like 2 pieces of gear from it. Yeah,yeah me and RNG are mortal foes. But with the chit chat and often wipes and recovery it was not so bad. I do not see a big deal about grinds to be honest and I do not get why people crusade against it.

 

Games that have end game or even throughout the game grinds have never bothered me it just makes me work towards a goal. I guess some people like me are not really bothered by grinds. To each his own.

  Aeander

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8/26/14 7:34:39 AM#51

It all comes down to personal taste.

 

 

And that's okay, because the genre, as it has been for too long, is stagnant and could use more diversity. It has room for tab target games and action combat games. Vertical and horizontal progression. Instanced and non-instanced. Open world pvp and non-open-world-pvp. Sandbox and themepark. Subscription, buy-to-play, and free-to-play.

 

 

I would ask the better question - why is anyone opposed to diversification?

  Balmers

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8/26/14 9:06:16 AM#52
Originally posted by Aeander

It all comes down to personal taste.

 

 

And that's okay, because the genre, as it has been for too long, is stagnant and could use more diversity. It has room for tab target games and action combat games. Vertical and horizontal progression. Instanced and non-instanced. Open world pvp and non-open-world-pvp. Sandbox and themepark. Subscription, buy-to-play, and free-to-play.

 

 

I would ask the better question - why is anyone opposed to diversification?

Completely agree with those statements...

Personally, I don't mind grinding (as in repeat stuff) as long as it's challenging... 

MMOs nowadays are too easy to me. I wouldn't mind a bit of difficulty in some MMOs just to spice it up.

Diversity is the key word I guess...

  Velonius650

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8/26/14 9:42:45 AM#53

The answer to the thread is right in the title of the thread - "grind".  Grind, by our definition, is a menial task that we are forced to repeat over and over to watch a bar move, +1 a stat, get better gear, etc all in order to do more of the same only better/quicker/faster/more efficiently.  It's at this point you realize what you're doing has no depth to it and how much time you've wasted. 

 

Now, we all realize that everything takes a little bit of grind at the start....but it's for what purpose you are grinding that is the really important question.  If it's to get a better sword to go off and PvP....ok maybe you see that as a necessary evil to remain competitive with your peers so you can kill them better.  If you play competitive sports then you might look at "grinding" as the equivalent of going to practice.  Why do you practice? To be better for when the real games start.  But grinding for the sake of? Well to each his own I guess but you might have too much time on your hands. 

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  Robokapp

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8/26/14 8:27:33 PM#54
Originally posted by MyownGod
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Quizzical

Because gear grinds are boring.

have there been any studies associating gear grinding with boredom?

Not directly however there is studies regarding "repetition", its really based on logic. Ask your self would you work in an assembly line for a very long period of time, and all you get is a sets of fancy clothes instead of money? I don't think you would.

the assembly line however is associated with increase in productivity and value at same cost.

 

as a Quality engineer it's more or less grindy too. 

 

stuff breaks, you chat with customer, you go and fix. stuff breaks elsewhere, you repeat. new model launches, start over. 

 

it's funny how much my job is like an MMO.

 

new model = expansion. 

continuous improvement = grind.

 

  kabitoshin

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8/26/14 8:31:51 PM#55
Lazy design to keep players, I enjoyed the PvE experience over the gear grind.
  syriinx

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8/26/14 8:41:11 PM#56
Originally posted by iridescence

Why have a level cap at all? Design the game so people can keep progressing their character in small ways infinitely and you don't need a gear grind. It's very possible to do this. 

 

You can do this even with a level cap, see EQ

 

Yes, EQ had gear to get too, but when you got a piece of gear in EQ it typically lasted you a long time, getting an upgrade in EQ was a big deal.  But that time inbetween gear drops you were getting AA to progress your character

  Mtibbs1989

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8/26/14 8:43:00 PM#57
I personally love games with incredibly high levels and gear grinds. Without them it defeats the purpose for me to continue playing. Which is why I personally play MMOs more specifically old MMOs and/or Eastern. As they tend to have that type of gameplay for me. 


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  Shayyd80

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8/26/14 8:44:51 PM#58
gear grind is played out, boring, tedious and monataneous (sp?). If you enjoy doing the same thing over and over like Battlegrounds you've been doing for years for pvp gear then have to do arena for arena gear, props to you! It's boring for us people that like to dive into a game and not have to worry about doing the same crap over and over because devs are too lazy to push out Xpacs like EQ and EQ-2 did. Content is better than gear IMO.
  aRtFuLThinG

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8/26/14 8:49:32 PM#59

If items has permanent decay and are crafted, then gear grind wouldn't be necessary and mmos won't have to be rebalanced everytime something new comes out.

 

Permanency of items and lack of ability to craft/purchase from crafters hgih level items is the calprit here.

 

Mobs shouldn't drop items as straight loots, they should drop mats that enables the crafters.

  Tatercake

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8/26/14 8:59:51 PM#60
I understand  what you say  me myself i like it if games make it so crafters make the best gear  to me thats the best  player crafted gear
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