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Reviews & Impressions  » Neverwinter - from a great idea into another money grab

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7/17/14 11:44:16 AM#21
Originally posted by Stammerer
There is a lot of amazing player stuff; unfortunately it is mostly hidden beneath vast quantities of crap that was clearly churned out in half an hour.  The problem is that there is no way of differentiating between the good stuff and the crap unless it has already been played extensively and rated.  So most good player stuff just gets lost, the good creators become disheartened and stop making stuff. 

It is not worth the trouble to try to find the diamond in the dirt. There are enough professionally produced content that i seldom bother with user generated ones.



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7/17/14 11:51:23 AM#22
Saying money grab invalidates the op's entire post. No one is grabbing anything. They offer a product for consumers to purchase at their discression. Saying a game is a money grab is like saying food makes you fat. It's your personal habits that are the problem.

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7/18/14 1:19:36 AM#23

NW is not the first game to have player created missions, Cryptic also did it for their Star Trek online game and City of Heroes/Villains did it as well.

Every company is going to ignore a single guy on the forums that tells them his "brilliant ideas" are the path to follow to greatness. And they are very right to do so since armchair developers usually know jack.

For the vast majority of the mindless hordes out there player content comes down to one thing: "How can I best explore this feature to make the best farms?"  Something which they've proven time and time again back when the devs were still foolish enough to give them more freedom and better rewards. (You may have noticed the random Foundry rewards tend to suck most of the time)

The amount of players that actually create things out of a desire to create something are a minority, as are those who are interested in playing the content (beyond finding the fastest quest to rush through to complete their dailies).

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7/18/14 4:41:53 AM#24

Announcing that the game will release F2P should have given everyone a heads up.

It's beyond me how people here keep thinking F2P is good......In less your intentions were to play FREE




I think 50% of people here are just that, looking for a FREE game.  Of that 50%, 50% of them are pissed when they find that you can't get very far.


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Let em put a slave ring thru u're nose u're prob not going to like where they're taking you. Think.

7/18/14 6:46:09 AM#25

I played Neverwinter after beta and it did have lots of great aspects but fell short in other ways.  It made me miss Turbine's DDO.  The quests were good but that was the only aspect of the game that worked.  Being forced to arena PvP every day for in game money was annoying.  There were glitches they took to long to fix or just did not acknowledge they knew something was broke - poor community relations.  Founder seemed to work for some and not for others - I was one of the others.  I really wanted to make a Founder Dungeon but I just couldn't get the program to work on my PC.  The last straw for me was the real shitty crafting system.  I didn't mind having servants that crafted for you but there wasn't shit worth while to craft.  Reminded me of Aion.  Course the only game that had a worthy crafting system was FFXI and FFXIV almost did if only they would not have sold craftable items at NPC's (FFXIV's compromise was to HIDE the sales npc's and you had to search the world over for most of them).  But did love Neverwinter's Forgotten Realms theme and attention to drow.  I could have used a little less hero and more villain - no one has made a game mmo or otherwise where I could really play an evil drow.  Lag was real bad in the central hub.

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7/18/14 3:53:35 PM#26
It's beyond me how people keep thinking f2p is bad. The quality and customer service is the same as p2p and I have the choice of how much I want to pay if anything at all.

Sounds like a great deal to me.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.


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7/18/14 4:04:30 PM#27
Neverwinter isn't the first game to have player made content. Actually it isn't even the first Cryptic game to have player made content. Champions online had a similar feature, and so did STO from what I remember. Neverwinter is a very fun game, but it isn't going to pull any stops with trying to make money off players. It's a business, and more importantly it's a game published by one of the leading P2W companies.

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7/18/14 4:07:27 PM#28
So did coh and ryzom. Eq2 does it as well.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.


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7/18/14 5:02:20 PM#29
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
It's beyond me how people keep thinking f2p is bad. The quality and customer service is the same as p2p and I have the choice of how much I want to pay if anything at all.

Sounds like a great deal to me.

This is beyond me as well. I love this game. I spend when and what I want and play as much as I want. Whenever I stop paying the stuff I paid for is still there.

Not all foundry content is great, but some is absolutely fantastic - some of the best content I've played in an mmo. Others, while not great still has a charm that pnp player created campaigns have. They're fun!

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8/23/14 7:15:09 AM#30
Originally posted by Tyggs
Saying money grab invalidates the op's entire post. No one is grabbing anything. They offer a product for consumers to purchase at their discression. Saying a game is a money grab is like saying food makes you fat. It's your personal habits that are the problem.

I agree with you its your choice no one is forcing you to spend your money. I like to add tho there are some items I believe that cost more than they should I believe in the Volume side concept of economics.  Now having said that I like to reflect on the Foundry: Great concept for those that enjoy being part of a game that can contribute in a good way, I also like the review system giving player a chance to see what other say about these quest. I also believe Cryptic has place in safe guards to insure players don't get ripped off or at least I hope so. Personally I would like to know that they do and I have yet to see their explanation of this. I started playing and couldn't get the feel of the game early on went back and it still didn't feel right well I gave it a third chance on it and I am beginning to get into it.  I went to my old charter that I had in EQ but change the class I have always preferred the Half/Elf Rogue and I also created a Moon elf Hunter and I actually find myself really enjoying it. I have yet spent any coins on it but I am thinking about getting a ride  and another companion if any of you have them already be nice to hear what you got and why thxs all and enjoy the game.


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8/23/14 7:17:04 AM#31
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
It's beyond me how people keep thinking f2p is bad. The quality and customer service is the same as p2p and I have the choice of how much I want to pay if anything at all.

Sounds like a great deal to me.

Absolutely !


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8/23/14 7:28:30 AM#32
Originally posted by kresa3333


Originally posted by Yanocchi

Originally posted by kresa3333 For conclusion i am writing this down only because i am frustrated because this game is fun and they actully found a golden egg in there and instead of using it they just throw it away... I really hope that some other company take that golden egg and use it because i am very sure that if u nail that one ur game will swim in dollars. and for neverwinter i can only say RIP


Don't expect any desperate radical changes in Neverwinter. The game has been a financial success for the company. After the release of Neverwinter in May 2013 their stock value nearly doubled during a period of only 2-3 months. In March-April their stock value was $10-12, in May-June it rose to $15-17 and since July-August 2013 to the present day it has stayed between $18-22/share. This summer the game has been bringing them at least 100,000-200,000 US dollars every day.

You can examine their stock value history at NASDAQ and you can get a rough estimate about their zen sales by looking at the demand for zen at Zen Astral Exchange and calculating how many days it takes you to get zen from other players through the exchange.




Ok if i understand this right its perfect world as a company profits ( which are the publisher of this game btw but aint matter for this replay ) , they got many more games , also i agree they made lots of cash on launch and some on each mini expension they made , but i find it hard to belive they are still growing instead of desending ( on avg ) in profits from neverwinter, and well 100k-200k dollar every day? honestly from seeing the player base on steam and from doing content in game i find it hard to belive they are growing and/or making 100k a day ( but anyhow i dont know to much about amount of profits mmo companies making).
Other then that by golden egg and making more moeny i ment it big time as if being top AAA game with millions of players and not a standard mmo that makes avarage profit for a f2p game like so many others around it.
Its something like this : Take a risk and make something special and if u succeed ur game will be remembered and make crazy amounts of cash / Dont take a risk make mmo with the same features ppl used to and milk them for money that is enough for decent profit and budget for the next game on development.

Is that a a fact? that if you make something special and risk your game will be a huge success and will also make crazy amount of cash?

Got any examples? 

I like how the moment he mentioned NW is making good profit you go in denial mode. Atleast he posted some relevant info to back up his post.

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