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  midnighthusky

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OP  7/21/14 3:22:18 AM#1

Hello to all. I’m fairly new to the MMO Scene but there’s one thing that seems quite clear to me. That is that MMORPGs aren’t very rpgy and I’m a massive fan of immersion in games like Skyrim. So my question is are there any MMOs that actually feel like an rpg.

  mindw0rk

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7/21/14 3:29:25 AM#2
Most immersive for me was by far The Secret World
  Avul

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7/21/14 3:36:39 AM#3

These are the MMOs I've played and my immersion experience:

  • World of Warcraft - immersion level: 6/10 (interesting lore, neat environment for its age)
  • Star Wars: The Old Republic - immersion level: 9/10 (most immersive quest lines and best story, interesting lore)
  • The Elder Scrolls Online - immersion level: 8/10 (interesting story and immersive environment)
  • WildStar - immersion level: 2/10 (too "gamey" and its landscape was cluttered, worst story I've experienced)
  • The Secret World - immersion level 8/10 (good quests but its clunkyness was the immersion-breaker for me)
Hope I could have helped you a little bit. :-)

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  MumboJumbo

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7/21/14 4:57:18 AM#4

Generally there are 2 types of quality of immersion recognized by 2 schools of thought for mmorpgs:-

1. Narrative-driven, high quality story content crafted by devs. People seem to mention The Secret World for this type of mmo-rpg. Alternatively  a rich IP you like realized and the players are apt to role-play eg LOTRs is mentioned in this respect or ESO if you love that IP. GW2 would shower you in a beautifully crafted art rich content world by comparison if you like the tourist safari version of immersion. 

2. Player-driven, usually but not always involves open pvp (dangerous player vs player anywhere) where the players actions create a post-hoc narrative. A good eg is rogue-likes where each "run" can use a formula that churns out a new experience recombining different elements. Can often be lower quality but can also offer genuine excitement and surprise. Examples would be EVE Online or Darkfall amongst others.

These are often called Themepark mmorpg (1) or Sandbox (2). It's subjective but the above 2 options are a good distinction to use.

  megarax

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7/21/14 5:07:10 AM#5
EvE Online.
  Scalpless

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7/21/14 5:34:20 AM#6
The Secret World and both Guild Wars games are pretty good at being RPGs. Star Wars: The Old Republic, too, but it has too many other problems.
  Loktofeit

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7/21/14 7:00:05 AM#7
Originally posted by MumboJumbo

Generally there are 2 types of quality of immersion recognized by 2 schools of thought for mmorpgs:-

1. Narrative-driven, high quality story content crafted by devs. People seem to mention The Secret World for this type of mmo-rpg. Alternatively  a rich IP you like realized and the players are apt to role-play eg LOTRs is mentioned in this respect or ESO if you love that IP. GW2 would shower you in a beautifully crafted art rich content world by comparison if you like the tourist safari version of immersion. 

2. Player-driven, usually but not always involves open pvp (dangerous player vs player anywhere) where the players actions create a post-hoc narrative. A good eg is rogue-likes where each "run" can use a formula that churns out a new experience recombining different elements. Can often be lower quality but can also offer genuine excitement and surprise. Examples would be EVE Online or Darkfall amongst others.

These are often called Themepark mmorpg (1) or Sandbox (2). It's subjective but the above 2 options are a good distinction to use.

I like where you went with that. :) 

For player-driven immersion, EVE Online has an incredibly dark and frighteningly real dystopia that I think is fascinating. For narrative-driven immersion, Age of Conan and The Secret World seem to do a good job of drawing one into the story, the latter moreso than the former. 

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  PAL-18

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7/21/14 7:02:55 AM#8

UO servers.

NWN servers.

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
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  Loktofeit

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7/21/14 7:05:10 AM#9
Originally posted by PAL-18

UO servers.

NWN servers.

Yes!

A lot of hidden gems to be found there, but you have to sift through a lot of garbage to get to them. It can be worth it, though. 

 

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  PAL-18

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7/21/14 7:06:45 AM#10
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by PAL-18

UO servers.

NWN servers.

Yes!

A lot of hidden gems to be found there, but you have to sift through a lot of garbage to get to them. It can be worth it, though. 

 

True ,true :>

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
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  Jemcrystal

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Let em put a slave ring thru u're nose u're prob not going to like where they're taking you. Think.

7/22/14 11:34:50 AM#11

Depends on your idea of role playing?  My personal idea of role playing is an exciting story line (cutscenes more compelling than a movie), complex game interaction (being able to sit at a table without looking like a string puppet), simulation (eat, shit, piss), and genetics (raise farm animals, plant crops, foresting).  By my definition only Final Fantasy XI/XIV or Mabinogi has come close but they are still light years off.  So, no, there are no rp mmorpg's.

 

And if you asked a dev what role playing meant he/she would respond:  "pvp and being trapped in first person, of course."

 

Dumbasses.

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  Jaedor

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7/22/14 11:46:50 AM#12

The Secret World has carved out a fabulous niche for itself as a home for role-players if you like a modern world with occult and horror themes. The game lore is the best I've ever seen.

  Yanocchi

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7/22/14 11:48:56 AM#13
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by PAL-18

UO servers.

NWN servers.

Yes!

A lot of hidden gems to be found there, but you have to sift through a lot of garbage to get to them. It can be worth it, though. 

 

In NWN series the only one left which is high-quality, popular and modern is the world of Baldur's Gate for NWN 2. 

Check the other thread for more information about it.

 

If you are a fan of science fiction, there was a fun MMO project based on original Fallout 1 called Fonline 2238 but I haven't played there for two or three years and don't know about its status. Very long time ago there was also quite an immersive sci-fi MMORPG called Face of Mankind.

 

 

  Mavolence

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7/22/14 11:55:28 AM#14
www.uoforever.com, swgemu,EVE online, most likely WoW
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7/22/14 11:59:03 AM#15
Originally posted by Jemcrystal
Depends on your idea of role playing?  My personal idea of role playing is an exciting story line (cutscenes more compelling than a movie), complex game interaction (being able to sit at a table without looking like a string puppet), simulation (eat, shit, piss), and genetics (raise farm animals, plant crops, foresting).  By my definition only Final Fantasy has come close but they are still light years off.  So, no, there are no rp mmorpg's.

Quoted for truth.

Immersion in an MMO is hard to achieve because of other players.  They are there and they will break your RP immersion no matter where you go.  Star Wars has great immersive storylines--until you notice you're one of fifty other Jedi chosen ones all with the same follower running around.  When you join an instance all your Republic fellows are 100% Dark Side and you feel like you're trying to stop the Sith with Darths Maul and Vader as backup.  

Every MMO you have to deal with stupid player names that will definitely trounce all over your sense of immersion.  Sxyvxn69 the Night Elf Warrior whose MRP reads like hardcore porn is going to damage your sense of being in Azeroth.

Forget RP support.  No company is interested in that.

Forget full pvp servers/games.  If the MMO community at large is a skunk, adding PVP--full loot or otherwise--is like dipping that skunk in raw sewage and then rolling it rotten cheese.  This isn't a knock at PVP--I personally love it and spent a lot of time in my younger days butchering bullies and gankers--but the community is almost always nasty.

I'm not judging ERP by any means, I don't care what other people do so long as it isn't bothering me, but any RP server on any game I've joined in the past has an ERP presence.  It's to be expected, this being the internet and all, but if it bothers you be advised it exists.  Along those same lines, often nestling oneself in an insular RP community via guilds or the like is possibly the only way to have immersive RP.  Unfortunately RP servers tend to be established and extremely cliquey, it can be hard to break in.

Games I like for RP immersion?  WoW can be good if you get on a good server and find a good guild.  If I wasn't tired of its gameplay I'd still be on my old RP server (it's dead and CRZd with bigger RP servers, like Moon Guard, which changes the whole feel, hence my distaste for any further play of the game.)  Despite the WoW hate you will encounter, there is no question that no game does polish and presentation better.

SWTOR is practically a single player game.  Just try to ignore the other people around you and stick with the story quests.  Guild Wars 2 as well.  There are other people, but they don't steal mobs/mats nodes from you and they tend to just silently zerg around.  Despite being "free-to-play" SWTOR pretty much requires a sub to enjoy at all.  

If you like comics DCUO is a pretty good choice, though my personal experience is the more mature/friendly people are on the villains side.  Worth it for me, as a massive Batman fan, for the voice acting alone.

Tera is fun to play, very pretty (my wife loves her toons,) and RP can be found if you look.  Best of all, it has probably the best free to play model in gaming--the game can be played pretty satisfactorily without ever spending a dime.

LOTRO and Conan were pretty good, though I haven't played in several years.  The first twenty levels of Conan are great, if you're interested in Howard's type of Dark Fantasy at all.

Good luck on your search!

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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7/22/14 12:00:59 PM#16

WoW, Archeage, GW2 have all three immersive and beautifully crafted worlds.

UO was great back in time, but the engine doesn't allow the level of immersion of a 3D engine.

AC1 was another good one, but has also aged quite a bit.

Playing now: WoW, Landmark, GW2

Got a refund: Archeage.

Top 3 MMORPGs played: UO, AC1 and WoW

Honorable mentions: AO, LotRO and GW2.

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  Aeonblades

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7/22/14 12:02:22 PM#17

For an immersive experience? Five come to mind off the top of my head for immersion/rp purposes:

1. LotRO

2. ESO

3. DAoC

4. WoW (I found the game to be highly immersive in vanilla)

5. FFXIV (so many roleplayers here!)

Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
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  Torik

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7/22/14 2:47:14 PM#18
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by MumboJumbo

Generally there are 2 types of quality of immersion recognized by 2 schools of thought for mmorpgs:-

1. Narrative-driven, high quality story content crafted by devs. People seem to mention The Secret World for this type of mmo-rpg. Alternatively  a rich IP you like realized and the players are apt to role-play eg LOTRs is mentioned in this respect or ESO if you love that IP. GW2 would shower you in a beautifully crafted art rich content world by comparison if you like the tourist safari version of immersion. 

2. Player-driven, usually but not always involves open pvp (dangerous player vs player anywhere) where the players actions create a post-hoc narrative. A good eg is rogue-likes where each "run" can use a formula that churns out a new experience recombining different elements. Can often be lower quality but can also offer genuine excitement and surprise. Examples would be EVE Online or Darkfall amongst others.

These are often called Themepark mmorpg (1) or Sandbox (2). It's subjective but the above 2 options are a good distinction to use.

I like where you went with that. :) 

For player-driven immersion, EVE Online has an incredibly dark and frighteningly real dystopia that I think is fascinating. For narrative-driven immersion, Age of Conan and The Secret World seem to do a good job of drawing one into the story, the latter moreso than the former. 

For player-driven immersion it very much depends on the player.  Personally I found EVE's PvP features to be the least immersive parts of the game as I see it as incredibly artificial and meaningless.  On the other hand I got great immersion out of the mining and manufacturing systems. 

The game where I got the most player-driven immersion was A Tale in the Desert.  If you are really into that type of game, it's really easy to find a niche in the game that will give you hours of immersive enjoyment.  The various communal projects were great and I spent hours on the wine making minigame as well as perfecting my linen production infrastructure.

  Velifax

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7/22/14 9:28:52 PM#19

None that I've found, I'm afraid.

 

Everquest was the only MMORPG that actually felt anything like the RPGs I played in the old days on systems like SNES, etc.

 

And even that was very much focused on combat.

 

I'd check the indie MMO scene. Xyson, for example, gave a great feeling of scrounging around in the Sierra Nevada mountains.

  Sevenstar61

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7/22/14 9:34:55 PM#20

SWTOR and TSW - two games that I actually am trully attached to my characters and love them.

SWTOR is more interacvive - multiple choices, dark side vs light side. TSW has original questing, some quests are mind blowing... literally.

SWTOR is one of the very few games that you can play a true villain.

Love them both.

You might want to try ESO, but it did not awed me personally.


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