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  Kyleran

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7/19/14 2:35:40 PM#41
Steam is trying to make money from ESO, no reason for them to provide a forum for discussion to anyone who isn't a paying customer. Reducing the negative feedback makes good business sense really.

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  MrMelGibson

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7/19/14 2:40:09 PM#42
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by MrMelGibson
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by aesperus
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Soandsoso
Originally posted by Vortex5oo

"Posting privileges: Only players who own The Elder Scrolls Online are allowed to post in this forum."

 

Have never seen that on Steam before. lol, not even X-Rebirth did that...

What's the issue. They don't want you creating hate posts. Move on.

there is a fine line between a hate post and a post just explaining why someone didnt buy the game.

Could it be that is why we have decided free speech is a good thing?

Actually, the line isn't that fine at all. It's actually pretty damn obvious.

Problem is, very few people actually do what you're suggesting. Most people think saying a game sucks, and posting a bunch of half-truths, lies, or assumptions is the same as giving an honest perspective on a game, or even a valid critique.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend the game doesn't have a lot of issues, but I also can't pretend that the game doesn't have a ridiculous amount of hate bandwagoning as well. Much of which is coming from people who either haven't actually played the game, or played 10 lvls of it and then called it quits.

When you're trying to sell a game, and the forums of flooded by people talking sh*@ about a game, it's a pretty obvious move to filter that crap out. It's one thing to deliberately censor information about a game (which is both wrong, and punishable), but it's an entirely different thing to prevent people from engaging a personal flame war on a product you're trying to give a fair chance.

You could literally be selling the best game on the market, but if the first thing people see is a bunch of kids arguing over whether or not the game would've been better as Skyrim, it's not going to sell as well.

- Personally, I have my issues w/ the game, and have stopped playing. However I do still have a number of friends who still are enjoying it. I'm not going to bash the game because it's the thing to do currently (just as GW2, and SWTOR were before it). If people want an honest opinion of the game I'll give one. Otherwise they're generally just looking for people to reinforce their own close-mindedness.

Well said. +1

horseshit.

people often mis-interpret criticism for hate all the time. Its why we have explictly stated free speech in the first place.

Again, you seem to miss the whole point here.  Forums, steam etc.  Are private forums/games.  Your free speech entitlement is misplaced.  Not to mention, not everyone is from the US.  So, your free speech argument has no solid ground to stand on.

free speech is more of a concept then it is a legal piece of paper.

what you are saying is that zenimax doesnt support free speech. I get that. 

You must be new to forums and mmos.  If you are, then I suppose I can see why you think this way.

  Dhaenon

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"What came first, the music or the misery?"

7/19/14 2:45:21 PM#43

ESO just feels like a money grab. This disappoints me. A lot of people agree, and they hate the game and the company for doing that. EXAMPLE!

The cost of the very first mount.

WOW, 5g

Wildstar, 10g

LOTRO, 500 silver

ESO, 17,200g

OR you can upgrade to the Imperial Edition ($$$) to get a free horse. 

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

  Distopia

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Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 15693

"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

7/19/14 2:52:12 PM#44
Originally posted by Dhaenon

ESO just feels like a money grab. This disappoints me. A lot of people agree, and they hate the game and the company for doing that. EXAMPLE!

The cost of the very first mount.

WOW, 5g

Wildstar, 10g

LOTRO, 500 silver

ESO, 17,200g

OR you can upgrade to the Imperial Edition ($$$) to get a free horse. 

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Isn't the biggest complaint today in games, they give everything away to easily? Almost everything I saw in ESO during beta anyway had pretty high costs, bag space as an example. Yet that's not sold in a shop is it?

LOTRO and WOW sell mounts don't they? DOn't most games offer pre-order incentives and enhanced editions with special items for paying extra or early?  I am not saying it's not a cash grab, but I'd also say every company is doing this today. Look at these $100+ early access deals popping up every other day.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  Agent_Joseph

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Joined: 11/11/06
Posts: 919

7/19/14 2:52:43 PM#45
it is ok, if wish to talking about game positive or negative you must to pay

only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW

  Azoth

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Joined: 7/08/04
Posts: 531

7/19/14 3:06:29 PM#46
Originally posted by Dhaenon

ESO just feels like a money grab. This disappoints me. A lot of people agree, and they hate the game and the company for doing that. EXAMPLE!

The cost of the very first mount.

WOW, 5g

Wildstar, 10g

LOTRO, 500 silver

ESO, 17,200g

OR you can upgrade to the Imperial Edition ($$$) to get a free horse. 

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Except that I had 900k gold in ESO in about 3 weeks ... And I think I remember mount around 100g when they first came out in WOW and you also had to pay  for a skill to ride .. I remember it taking all my money.  You can't just compare price in different game without context.

But in the end, all games are money grab.

  Octagon7711

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Joined: 1/13/12
Posts: 489

Devs please nerf paper it's overpowered I'm rock which is fine scissors are fine.

7/19/14 3:12:11 PM#47

Is there any other steam game that has locked down it's forums?  

So players who are thinking of buying the game can't ask questions.  

Players who have the non-steam game can't help new players or offer suggestions.

  Azoth

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Joined: 7/08/04
Posts: 531

7/19/14 3:14:53 PM#48
Originally posted by Octagon7711

Is there any other steam game that has locked down it's forums?  

So players who are thinking of buying the game can't ask questions.  

Players who have the non-steam game can't help new players or offer suggestions.

I actually think they should do it for every game. Would filter so much crap.

  Octagon7711

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Joined: 1/13/12
Posts: 489

Devs please nerf paper it's overpowered I'm rock which is fine scissors are fine.

7/19/14 3:16:26 PM#49
Originally posted by Dhaenon

ESO just feels like a money grab. This disappoints me. A lot of people agree, and they hate the game and the company for doing that. EXAMPLE!

The cost of the very first mount.

WOW, 5g

Wildstar, 10g

LOTRO, 500 silver

ESO, 17,200g

OR you can upgrade to the Imperial Edition ($$$) to get a free horse. 

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I had to smile during the ESO Twitch when they showed you would be able to steal stuff and stated that everything now has value, one gold coin each, so generous.  :-)

  Distopia

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Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 15693

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7/19/14 3:19:41 PM#50
Originally posted by Octagon7711

Is there any other steam game that has locked down it's forums?  

So players who are thinking of buying the game can't ask questions.  

Players who have the non-steam game can't help new players or offer suggestions.

I doubt this is the first time Steam has done this, they've also been pretty good about customer relation over the years, look at what they did to that WAR Z game based on user feedback.

I seriously doubt they'd allow this if they felt there wasn't a good reason for it.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  gervaise1

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Joined: 1/17/07
Posts: 1368

7/19/14 3:34:22 PM#51

The forums are still available for people to read. And restricting posting to those who have bought the game is nothing new in general (not sure about on Steam). Presumably those who have bought it via Steam as well - maybe retail but that opens up possibilities of keys being used again. And maybe just bought rather than subscribe to as that would add a level of complexity.

In addition to the forum comments of course what you can - currently - see are numbers. 

2 in group chat as I type - so the block isn't really impacting many people either. And just 1,907 in game via Steam .... with just under 44k playing Skyrim ....

  Soandsoso

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/08/12
Posts: 471

7/19/14 3:38:06 PM#52

Its funny watching people get all bent out of shape over this.

 

  Joeyjojoshabadu

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Joined: 5/21/14
Posts: 99

7/19/14 6:05:07 PM#53
Originally posted by Soandsoso

Its funny watching people get all bent out of shape over this.

 

I find the various ESO controversies and forum argy-bargy considerably more fun and interesting than the actual game (in fact, this is a sentiment I've seen stated numerous times on the official forums). It's like a nerd soap opera.

 

  Vortex5oo

Novice Member

Joined: 11/02/09
Posts: 95

 
OP  7/19/14 6:10:30 PM#54
Originally posted by Soandsoso
Originally posted by Vortex5oo

"Posting privileges: Only players who own The Elder Scrolls Online are allowed to post in this forum."

 

Have never seen that on Steam before. lol, not even X-Rebirth did that...

What's the issue. They don't want you creating hate posts. Move on.

Nah, no issues, just a reflection of not being able to use the steam forum. No hate posts from me dude. :) Currently got one month of subscription to ESO, so not moving on.

  rendus

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Joined: 10/14/08
Posts: 332

7/19/14 10:06:29 PM#55
Originally posted by Vortex5oo

"Posting privileges: Only players who own The Elder Scrolls Online are allowed to post in this forum."

 

Have never seen that on Steam before. lol, not even X-Rebirth did that...

Now I see how WW2Online will handle their Steam forums.

...but they'll still have to delete half the posts for negativity!

  rojoArcueid

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Posts: 5693

"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli

7/19/14 10:13:59 PM#56
i dont see the problem there. Not owning a game is enough reason not to talk about a game. To find answers there is a search button on forums, no need to ask.

  IMPYRE

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Joined: 9/27/04
Posts: 2962

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

7/19/14 10:26:32 PM#57

That's Awesome!

They should do that with all games <imo>

At least you have the right to bitch about the game if it sucks on their forum and not cyber trolls sharing their personal experience with any game.

Good one Steam.

  Torvaldr

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Posts: 5932

7/19/14 11:50:26 PM#58
Originally posted by rojoArcueid
i dont see the problem there. Not owning a game is enough reason not to talk about a game. To find answers there is a search button on forums, no need to ask.

That's ridiculous. I've posted in forums asking questions or getting install help for games before I had linked my Steam account. It just depends on the game. Obviously this game has a bunch of hoopla about it, but most games the developers try and build a relationship with the community. Firefall, for example, posted explicit instructions for previous beta players on how to install the client through Steam. I have a Landmark key, but didn't buy a pack through Steam. It was players asking questions and having a mature discussion that let me know linking my Landmark key isn't possible at this time.

Suspending posting right is only necessary in more extreme cases. I'm not sure who ZO pissed off so bad that they needed to lock down their forums, but most games aren't like this. The only other case that comes to mind off hand is DayZ.

Curse you AquaScum!

  fivoroth

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7/20/14 4:22:08 AM#59
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Soandsoso
Originally posted by Vortex5oo

"Posting privileges: Only players who own The Elder Scrolls Online are allowed to post in this forum."

 

Have never seen that on Steam before. lol, not even X-Rebirth did that...

What's the issue. They don't want you creating hate posts. Move on.

there is a fine line between a hate post and a post just explaining why someone didnt buy the game.

Could it be that is why we have decided free speech is a good thing?

We don't care why you didn't decide to buy the game. IF you haven't played the game, then you are basing your opinion based on some assumptions you have made and why should people be interested. 

If you haven't bought the game, you can't really discuss the gameplay because you haven't played it. You also can't write "reviews" as you haven't played the game.

Forums have rules and regulations. Free speech does not trump all. For example, can you really say racist things in public? Of course, not.

I think a better solution might be to have an option is to list if the poster has bought the game. And then I would like a filter to hide all the posters who don't have the game. This should be applied to all forums :)

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  zwei2

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7/20/14 6:23:38 AM#60

This should have been the case, just for about every game possible. Only allow non-buyers to read the general discussion, and possibly allow a seperate, heavily moderated sub-forum to allow these non-buyers to post VALID discussions.

 

I do support free speech. The problem is how posters are willing to abuse free speech towards their agenda, and even much more easily for posters to diss on concerned posters' valid discussions, just because. The last thing a poster wants to know about questing through the game is with a reply saying "THIS GAME IS A TOTAL SCAM! PONZI SCHEME! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!!!"

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