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  Aeonblades

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7/18/14 1:32:03 PM#81
[mod edit]

I just reread the last 6 pages again just to make sure and couldn't find anywhere where someone called you a name. You did manage to make several people angry asserting opinions as facts, but nothing that was said could really be constituted as name calling.

The issue, or well my issue at least, wasn't with any sub number figure, it was with spreading opinion as fact.

Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
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  User Deleted
7/18/14 1:40:28 PM#82

Furthermore..

It's not like random people are trying to use xFire numbers..

 

But think on this.  In Raptr, a lesser-used tracking software, there are 553,849 members of the ESO Community (People that have the game)

Out of those, there are still 367,255 *active* members of that community.  That's just Raptr.  That's just a sample.  Obviously it's a minority that both plays ESO *and* uses Raptr.

 

I realize these figures are frowned upon, but Raptr reports active community members as well as total community members.  At the very least, it's something to think about.

 

You can load up Raptr, go to the ESO community and see this for yourselves. No links needed.  But here, I'll go one further.  I'll post relevant screenshot of the information.

 

 

 

You can log in yourself and see this.

  Herzy

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Joined: 4/27/14
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HackAge...

7/18/14 1:41:50 PM#83
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Herzy

Not even WoW -arguably the most successful MMO ever - has that high a retention rate. I don't think that number adds up for ESO (or any MMO for that matter).

Only 30 Percent of WoW Players Get Past Level 10 - Blizzard CEO Mike Morhaime

What I estimate for any MMO that's not WoW is < 30%. Twenty percent retention rate seems more plausible for any run-of-the-mill MMO.

the WOW quote is exclusive to Trial accounts not subs

 

full quote

"Currently, only about 30 percent of our trial players make it past this threshold

The quote before that is

"trial players who play World of Warcraft past level ten are much more likely to stick with the game for a long time" equals sub, or no? How else would one go about playing the game "for a long time"? 

Getting past level = more likely to stick to the game for a long time = threshold. That's the about 30% mentioned.

  Aeonblades

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7/18/14 1:41:54 PM#84
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Originally posted by TankYou88

Im guessing you havent read any of the posts on this page then...

I just reread the last 6 pages again just to make sure and couldn't find anywhere where someone called you a name. You did manage to make several people angry asserting opinions as facts, but nothing that was said could really be constituted as name calling.

The issue, or well my issue at least, wasn't with any sub number figure, it was with spreading opinion as fact.

If people are mad then that is their own fault. I cant make someone mad. Its your own emotion, only you can do that. Im also not spreading anything as fact. I said 200k based on my numbers. I also said how I came up with those numbers. 

And yet those numbers don't exist, so you couldn't have any of "your" numbers, considering there aren't any numbers to have. You can claim to have numbers all you want to, that doesn't change the definition of math. Also, I'm not mad, as I mentioned before if anything I'm mildly amused/ laughing that someone could fail to see what was wrong with what they said, even after a thread full posts explained why what you said has no basis or makes any sense from any stand point beyond your own. This ends up putting it firmly in the realm of speculative opinion, the same as everyone else in this thread without actual numbers released by ZoS.

 

And let them get mad at you, it's their own fault for being mad as you said :)

Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.

  vandal5627

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7/18/14 1:49:30 PM#85
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  Gdemami

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7/18/14 1:56:41 PM#86


Originally posted by Herzy

The quote before that is

"trial players who play World of Warcraft past level ten are much more likely to stick with the game for a long time" equals sub, or no? How else would one go about playing the game "for a long time"? 

Getting past level = more likely to stick to the game for a long time = threshold. That's the about 30% mentioned.


You falsely assume that ALL of those who make it past lvl 10 subscribe. In fact you do not know how many of those 30% actually subscribe.

  Nadia

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Joined: 7/26/03
Posts: 11568

7/18/14 1:56:45 PM#87
Originally posted by Herzy
Originally posted by Nadia

full quote

"Currently, only about 30 percent of our trial players make it past this threshold

The quote before that is

"trial players who play World of Warcraft past level ten are much more likely to stick with the game for a long time" equals sub, or no? How else would one go about playing the game "for a long time"? 

Getting past level = more likely to stick to the game for a long time = threshold. That's the about 30% mentioned.

WOW has trial accts  (purchase of game not required)

https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/world-of-warcraft-starter-edition

why would the CEO specify Trial players?

 

anyone buying WOW is given a 30 day month sub  -- these accounts are not trials

  Iselin

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7/18/14 1:58:18 PM#88

Weird how many in this thread think one anonymous poster's opinion is just as valid as what a company that does this as their business is publishing as their educated guess.

 

Yes, they're all guesses... some much better than others. This is who they are. If you're going to challenge their numbers, tell me who the fuck you are and why I should believe you instead of them.

 

Ain't the internet fun?

  Aeonblades

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7/18/14 2:00:49 PM#89
Originally posted by Iselin

Weird how many in this thread think one anonymous poster's opinion is just as valid as what a company that does this as their business is publishing as their educated guess.

 

Yes, they're all guesses... some much better than others. This is who they are. If you're going to challenge their numbers, tell me who the fuck you are and why I should believe you instead of them.

 

Ain't the internet fun?

You just destroyed 9 pages of arguments with a single post. I thought we were letting them squabble a few more pages first before someone actually saw that SuperData actually works with ZoS and is a leading company in monitoring mobile and MMO gaming trends.

 

Shame on you Iselin! The thread was getting juicy too! :p

Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
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  Distopia

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7/18/14 2:00:53 PM#90
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Originally posted by TankYou88

Im guessing you havent read any of the posts on this page then...

I just reread the last 6 pages again just to make sure and couldn't find anywhere where someone called you a name. You did manage to make several people angry asserting opinions as facts, but nothing that was said could really be constituted as name calling.

The issue, or well my issue at least, wasn't with any sub number figure, it was with spreading opinion as fact.

If people are mad then that is their own fault. I cant make someone mad. Its your own emotion, only you can do that. Im also not spreading anything as fact. I said 200k based on my numbers. I also said how I came up with those numbers. 

 

Haha based off your numbers lmao!!!  The ONLY number you have given us is 200k.  In 11 pages not once have you given any numbers to back up your ONLY number.  Too funny based on my numbers /facepalm 

 

Thank you. At least its more than you have given us so far.

Fine here...534,255 based off sales numbers retention, this post.  Go disprove that now.  See anyone call make up numbers.  

I think it's fitty, fitty (50) subs, they've just sold so many horses it seems they have 772k subs.

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  Herzy

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Joined: 4/27/14
Posts: 150

HackAge...

7/18/14 2:05:07 PM#91
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by Herzy

The quote before that is

 

"trial players who play World of Warcraft past level ten are much more likely to stick with the game for a long time" equals sub, or no? How else would one go about playing the game "for a long time"? 

Getting past level = more likely to stick to the game for a long time = threshold. That's the about 30% mentioned.


 

You falsely assume that ALL of those who make it past lvl 10 subscribe. In fact you do not know how many of those 30% actually subscribe.

I specifically left in the words "more likely to" and "about" thereby indicating that, as per the quote, it's not all of those who get past the threshold.

False assume what? Explain how else would one go about playing "for a long time" in WoW after a trial?

  Gdemami

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Joined: 9/23/08
Posts: 7191

7/18/14 2:15:56 PM#92


Originally posted by Herzy

I specifically left in the words "more likely to" and "about" thereby indicating that, as per the quote, it's not all of those who get past the threshold.

False assume what? Explain how else would one go about playing "for a long time" in WoW after a trial?


Likely and longer than what or who? Likely than trial players who who didn't make it past lvl 10? Likely as +50% chance? Likely and longer than those who purchased the game without playing a trial?

It's not really much of an info there, at least regarding to retention rate.

I am sorry for my wording, I should have word it better.

My point is, any assertions made towards retention rate based on that quote are rather baseless.

  GoobyYoYo

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7/18/14 2:25:27 PM#93
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Originally posted by Iselin

Weird how many in this thread think one anonymous poster's opinion is just as valid as what a company that does this as their business is publishing as their educated guess.

 

Yes, they're all guesses... some much better than others. This is who they are. If you're going to challenge their numbers, tell me who the fuck you are and why I should believe you instead of them.

 

Ain't the internet fun?

You just destroyed 9 pages of arguments with a single post. I thought we were letting them squabble a few more pages first before someone actually saw that SuperData actually works with ZoS and is a leading company in monitoring mobile and MMO gaming trends.

 

Shame on you Iselin! The thread was getting juicy too! :p

This whole thread is moot until Zenimax gives us numbers.  Regurgitating an opinion on hypothetical numbers then arguing over them is senseless. This is a troll thread. Nothing more.

  gervaise1

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7/18/14 3:12:48 PM#94

SuperData's numbers are based on "the spending habits of 36.9M users".

Ask yourself a question: what 36.9 million users?

No idea?

Think of some well known gaming add-0ns that purport to track user habits. One that begins with R that often talks about 30M+ users. Maybe one that starts with X as well. 

And then say to yourself: the SuperData number is a guess; treat accordingly. 

 

  geremady

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7/18/14 3:22:24 PM#95

Never understood these kind of threads.

Is the game magically better (or worse) to you if they sold more copies?

If more copies are better WOW is the best game ever for the foreseeable future.

And who believes that?

  Gdemami

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7/18/14 3:26:07 PM#96


Originally posted by geremady

Never understood these kind of threads.

Is the game magically better (or worse) to you if they sold more copies?

If more copies are better WOW is the best game ever for the foreseeable future.

And who believes that?



It is interesting to see what other people like, what the trend is, and there is no better indicator than sales.

So yes, WoW is the best MMO ever made.

  gervaise1

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7/18/14 3:27:32 PM#97

And when they published their SWTOR f2p earnings number I remember adding up how much f2p income EA were reporting.

Suffice to say if true then SWTOR was clearly bigger than BattleField, FIFA, Madden, Ultimate Sports and the other games that EA waxed lyrical about. Indeed the execs must have been in danger of being jailed for failing to mention that EA's earnings were so dependent on SWTOR.

Conclusion the number was inaccurate.

 

Their guesstimates are only as accurate as the spending data of the 36.9M users - which I suspect is Raptr and/or XFire data. (They certainly aren't paying 36.9M people - even a trivial 3 cents a month would be over $1M a month.)

  azzamasin

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7/18/14 3:33:20 PM#98
Originally posted by boxsnd
Those threads are hilarious when you think about how much the game has tanked on twitch/reddit etc. Nobody is watching it, nobody is talking about it, but apparently everybody is playing it. ESO fans you really have to try harder.

Pretty much this.  I am not claiming any reliable numbers because there is none but all evidence points to ESO not doing well.  With that being said I do like the direction their heading and will be watching closely.  Might even decide to pick it up on Steam in a few weeks after I tire of Hearthstone's Naxx launch next week.

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  Gdemami

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7/18/14 3:34:48 PM#99


Originally posted by azzamasin

I am not claiming any reliable numbers because there is none but all evidence points to ESO not doing well. 

What "evidence"?

  AmbrosiaAmor

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7/18/14 3:44:10 PM#100
Originally posted by Teala

Agreed.   The numbers given are, at best, a very generous guesstimation.  

 

Better than my estimation...

10.00 million - 0.75 million = 9.25 million

I was off by 7.5%.

Not too shabby!

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