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  SBFord

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OP  7/16/14 8:10:06 AM#1

There are way too many MMOs these days. No, scratch that. There are way too many terrible, no-good, self-playing, web-based clones of clones MMOs these days.

Read on for Bill Murphy’s latest rant: The Self-Playing MMO Scourge.

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  Prokaryotik

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7/16/14 10:12:16 AM#2
Upvote
  Destai

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7/16/14 10:15:14 AM#3
Agreed. Now if we can just cut their advertising.

Current MMOs: Wildstar, Guild Wars 2, the Secret World, World of Warcraft

Past Loves: Guild Wars, Lord of the Rings Online, Everquest

  Aeonblades

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7/16/14 10:16:50 AM#4
Good article Bill. I agree with you, these web based MMO's and such have really stagnated and set back the genre.

Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.

  flizzer

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7/16/14 10:17:22 AM#5

"buying our ads or not, the sooner they die, the better off the MMO industry will be."

 

Uh-oh, someone is going to the principal's office. 

  DamonVile

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7/16/14 10:24:43 AM#6
Isnt this just another if I dont like it you can't either post? Dont get me wrong I think all those games suck but how is this any different than when we see someone say gw2 for example sucks and is bad for the genre.
  Foobarx

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7/16/14 10:31:26 AM#7

Retired people like them.  They just sit there and watch them do the work for them... not much different than sitting in a park and watching the pigeons eat.  I know this is true because my Dad spends 18 hours a day doing just that... watching his 3D toon do stuff for him.  He couldn't handle WoW... got lost trying to find his corpse all the time... I don't think he managed to get past level 5... yeah, I know, how hard is that?  Exactly.  Games like this are made for him.  With the ever growing population of retired folks, there's a mint to be had... it's either this or the casinos.

 

 

  Soandsoso

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7/16/14 10:35:11 AM#8
Amen
  Benbrada

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7/16/14 10:35:46 AM#9
I agree with Bill on the quizzical thinking of, "who's playing these?" and how are they seeing enough money that others continue to spring up everyday?
  User Deleted
7/16/14 10:40:05 AM#10
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Good article Bill. I agree with you, these web based MMO's and such have really stagnated and set back the genre.

Actually Therian Saga in some ways is better than Archeage :))

  Torvaldr

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7/16/14 10:43:01 AM#11

It's a little ironic that you would rant about this while the site actively supports R2 games with key promotions. I get that the editorial opinions of the writing staff differ from that of the main site itself, but still there is a guild by association going on.

It's kind of like the ArsTechnica rant I read earlier this week. The auther complains about text only buttons and all caps menus amongst other things. He even goes so far as to say people at Apple and Microsoft should be fired over those decisions. What does Ars have? All caps menus and text only buttons. I get that the author isn't the site designer, but the parable of the plank and the splinter applies here.

I've tried some R2 games before and they are horrid. They do nearly play themselves. On the other hand I play Aura Kingdom which has an auto-destination feature and the game is really fun. I'm sure when Destiny pops we'll be able to find some horrible design decisions and some nefarious monetization ploys there as well. Fun is in the eye of the beholder.

 

Curse you AquaScum!

  Aeonblades

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7/16/14 10:43:44 AM#12
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Good article Bill. I agree with you, these web based MMO's and such have really stagnated and set back the genre.

Actually Therian Saga in some ways is better than Archeage :))

Well I haven't heard of Therian Saga before, but from what I'm seeing about Archeage the past few weeks, that wouldn't be very hard to do. I have a feeling unless huge changes are made to Archeage and it's monetization platform, Trion will be in for a wild ride.

 

I'll reserve judgement till I get my hands on Archeage though after release. I'm just interested enough to pick it up and try it, but if ganking is rampant it's going to have the same problems every other open world PvP game has had in NA. It will be interesting to see what happens with Archeages as it likely will shape future releases in NA across the genre based on it's success.

Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.

  FelixMajor

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7/16/14 10:48:19 AM#13

Bill, who shit in your cornflakes this morning? 

 

xD

 

Seriously though, good post.

Originally posted by Arskaaa
"when players learned tacticks in dungeon/raids, its bread".

  Pyuk

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7/16/14 10:57:57 AM#14
Testify!

I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.

  Crusades

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7/16/14 11:01:31 AM#15
I think there is more than just browser MMO's putting the stranglehold on the industry. It's nice to see a marketing site like mmorpg.com recognize that undercutting no matter how it's done is leaving the industry in poor health.
  Tbau

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7/16/14 11:04:38 AM#16

Yet isn't it amazing how TESO got such rave reviews on this site?

A bland dull boring MMO with no innovation, and thus a copy of every other MMO, that's filled with BOTs which is as self playing as you can get!

  Yoofaloof

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7/16/14 11:04:49 AM#17
Auto pathfinding is evil, full stop! It isn't just browser games either some of the latest 'major' MMO's have it too - get rid!
  Kyleran

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7/16/14 11:08:05 AM#18

I guess I've never played such a game since I've never experienced this self playing mechanic that is being mentioned.

Doesn't sound terribly entertaining, but there must be a market for these games somewhere.

I resent the implication that they are designed for "seniors", maybe its really lots of younger gamers who are too busy on their Facebook or Smart Phones  to actually divert enough attention to actually play a game.

 

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, "Meany", you speak as if these are bad things?
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  aslan132

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7/16/14 11:38:43 AM#19

This is absolutely amazing, and voices the things Ive been saying and feeling for years as well. What would be awsome to see though, since I dont think this will sway any sites (even this one) from advertising and promoting these games and publishers like R2Games, is to have a new identifier on them. Instead of just listing them all as MMO and possibly confusing those who dont know any better, call them Auto-play, or Auto-path, or Self-playing MMO, or something to recognize at first glance that its not worth taking the time to download or install. 

 

I mean, already as soon as I see R2 anywhere in the description I immediately ignore it, but something to identify all games as such, not just the one publisher.

  Aeonblades

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7/16/14 11:41:11 AM#20
Originally posted by Pyuk
Testify!

Now testify
It's right outside our door
Now testify
Yes testify
It's right outside our door

Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.

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