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  Cephus404

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7/15/14 3:53:24 PM#41
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Cephus404
 

I would argue that most things in MMOs don't change much over time.

Of course they do. For example, MMOs are moving from world games (like EQ) into more like lobby games (like WoW). Don't tell me that is not a big change.

 

That isn't what was being discussed, we were talking about what happens within the game over time, not over the genre.  You might want to read the whole post instead of just replying to a single sentence out of context.

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  Cephus404

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7/15/14 3:54:19 PM#42
Originally posted by loulaki
Originally posted by ElRenmazuo
ultima online one of the first graphical mmos didnt have levels

also EVE (the OP mentions) doesn't have leveling ...

But it does have skills, which operate the same way.  All of it is a means of measuring progression.

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  Aeonblades

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7/15/14 4:16:18 PM#43
What's funny is, FPS games now have levels and ranks to get to unlock new gear. So really, FPS games have copied the RPG formula of leveling. I find it amusing that people say levels need to go away and developers instead add them to more genres. Someone likes leveling, even in FPS games, or they wouldn't sell.

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  YoungCaesar

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7/15/14 6:40:33 PM#44

Why not have both? Why cant an MMORPG (which mostly have shit almost turn based combat) have FPS combat in this age of better internet in a persistent world? Add to that a system like UO where you lvl your skills instead of your character (as long as the power gap is small between a noob and a fully maxed character) so it doesnt break the combat and you end up with a MMOFPS.

 

Just imagine Chivalry online or Mount and Blade in a persistent world with crafting and pve mobs/resources, house & city building, now that would be a hell of a game.

  Soandsoso

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7/15/14 6:44:27 PM#45
Originally posted by YoungCaesar

Why not have both? Why cant an MMORPG (which mostly have shit almost turn based combat) have FPS combat in this age of better internet in a persistent world? Add to that a system like UO where you lvl your skills instead of your character (as long as the power gap is small between a noob and a fully maxed character) so it doesnt break the combat and you end up with a MMOFPS.

 

Just imagine Chivalry online or Mount and Blade in a persistent world with crafting and pve mobs/resources, house & city building, now that would be a hell of a game.

I have yet to play a MMORPG that is close to turn based....stopped reading at that point.

  c0exist

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7/15/14 8:03:37 PM#46
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but I think the phrase is taken too literally.  To me this is saying if you dont like leveling in a complex genre like an mmorpg you might as well go play a genre anyone can like an fps.  To me fps games are the bottom of the barrel and anyone can pick up a controller and play one.  I often say things like if you want pvp in an mmo go play call of duty or mortal kombat.
  MadFrenchie

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7/15/14 8:38:02 PM#47

Most FPSs now have a level grind of some sort.  Opens up new perks, weapons, attachments, etc..

 

Leveling is simply an easy way to entice people to keep playing.  Gone are the days where online FPSs were played for months due simply and exclusively due to the merits of the gameplay..  The carrot has been placed on the stick.  Even games that stood on their own merit in the beginning have begun using carrots (ahem..  TF2 and your "play and randomly 'find' things system).

 

Speaking of which, TF2 honestly disgusts me now.  Tried multiple times to get back into that game now with all dumb stuff added.  Not the same game anymore.  Breaks my heart Valve sold out there. /rant

 

I don't mind levels in MMOs.  Unfortunately, I find that, in many cases, they are so freely given that leveling becomes a boring and minuscule task for which I cannot continue to faceroll the keyboard to "achieve".

 

At least in some MMOs (such as TSW), the world keeps me so preoccupied that I don't notice the little bar go forward.  I'll save up half a dozen AP before I even realize I've gained any.  Those MMOs can keep me playing, at least longer than the ones that are "Your queue is ready!  Now just spam 1 until end!  Re-queue!"

 

  Joeyjojoshabadu

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7/15/14 10:23:54 PM#48
Originally posted by Cephus404
Originally posted by loulaki
Originally posted by ElRenmazuo
ultima online one of the first graphical mmos didnt have levels

also EVE (the OP mentions) doesn't have leveling ...

But it does have skills, which operate the same way.  All of it is a means of measuring progression.

Not the same way. Yes, similar in some respects, but significantly different in others. Eg in UO you could focus on a single skill if you so chose. You could be max in that skill but 0 in all others (and there are large variants to this, focusing on as many or few skills as you choose). In a levelled game you could still ostensibly do this, but as you level a variety of skills/traits, such as health, mana, etc will usually increase as well. In addition, in UO there were no fixed level-based barriers that are present in most levelling games. Sure, if you hadn't practiced your swordsmanship enough you couldn't kill that ettin, but there was no "if you aren't x level you can't go here, or do this quest, or join in this PvP battleground). In terms of functionality and play style, level vs non-level can represent a huge difference.

  Kyleran

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7/15/14 10:34:42 PM#49
What it should read is if you don't like progression mechanics, you should not be playing MMORPGs.

Progression is a defining characteristic of the traditional MMORPG. I'm not saying all online games need to have it, but in the traditional model it will always be there, right along with its cousin, the grind.

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  YoungCaesar

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7/15/14 10:44:20 PM#50
Originally posted by Soandsoso
Originally posted by YoungCaesar

Why not have both? Why cant an MMORPG (which mostly have shit almost turn based combat) have FPS combat in this age of better internet in a persistent world? Add to that a system like UO where you lvl your skills instead of your character (as long as the power gap is small between a noob and a fully maxed character) so it doesnt break the combat and you end up with a MMOFPS.

 

Just imagine Chivalry online or Mount and Blade in a persistent world with crafting and pve mobs/resources, house & city building, now that would be a hell of a game.

I have yet to play a MMORPG that is close to turn based....stopped reading at that point.

you havent played WoW? One of the most popular MMORPGS? Im talking about that tab targetting "real time" combat where you sit in front of your enemy mashing buttons all day...

  Vorthanion

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7/15/14 10:45:27 PM#51
Measuring a character's progression is a mechanic shared by most games in some form or another.  While there are differences in approach, the paradigm remains the same.

  VengeSunsoar

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7/16/14 11:10:53 AM#52
Wow is not turn based. Turn based is where a player is allowed s period of time to analyze and execute a play and the other player is not allowed to attack. The players take turns attacking.

Most mmo games are real time not turn based.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  Aeonblades

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7/16/14 11:14:00 AM#53
Originally posted by YoungCaesar

Why not have both? Why cant an MMORPG (which mostly have shit almost turn based combat) have FPS combat in this age of better internet in a persistent world? Add to that a system like UO where you lvl your skills instead of your character (as long as the power gap is small between a noob and a fully maxed character) so it doesnt break the combat and you end up with a MMOFPS.

 

Just imagine Chivalry online or Mount and Blade in a persistent world with crafting and pve mobs/resources, house & city building, now that would be a hell of a game.

The only MMO I can think of with remotely anything close to turn based combat is FFXI, and it wasn't really turn based so much as slowed down for console users.

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  Beatnik59

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7/16/14 11:27:01 AM#54
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Tolmos

MMOs involve persistent worlds. They involve world player caps that extend into the thousands (as opposed to FPS' several hundred player caps) and player economies that have varying degrees of complexity

Not all of them. Marvel Heroes has no persistent world. Worlds of Tank has no persistent world, and no player economies.

Persistent world is not that central an idea in MMOs anyway. Even WOW, while it has a persistent world, there are tons of non-persistent gameplay modes (like cross realm instanced dungeons).

 

For once, I have to agree with Naiusseldon.

The reason so many people say "if you don't like levelling, play a FPS" is because, for all intents and purposes, the only thing that separates an MMO these days from a FPS is the levelling.  We have to keep in mind that the persistant world, all the economy, all the esoteric elements have been more or less taken out over the last decade.  To the new players coming up, there really is no concept that an MMO is anything other than levels, quests, levels and quests.

Will those other MMO-sy elements the OP talks about come back?  Who knows.

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7/16/14 11:30:18 AM#55
Originally posted by Crusades
Thanks for the advice, but I already knew that, and that's why I play fps. No leveling needed, even match, no gear grind, just skill vs skill. If you don't like skill vs skill it's probably because you suck and need to buy your power, either by directly paying to win or by sinking 8 hours a day into your game of choice so you have better gear than everyone else. I know I know I have the same option to pay and win or time sink gear grind too, so it is even, but no thanks got to much other stuff I enjoy doing too. Bottom line leveling sucks for me and is good for people that don't have anything else to do but pown lowbies and brag about it. The same people that love leveling, those people are level capped in 2 days.

Quoted for truth.  At the end of the day, PVP in any MMO is a particularly unfunny joke.  You really want bragging rights over beating other players in a game, better go to a FPS or even a MOBA.  

Leveling is a throwback to tabletop.  Your character is supposed to be an alternate persona, not a collection of numbers and "build".  Back in the day, as you leveled, your character's personality and backstory grew, and the early MMOs came from that tradition and were influenced by their single player game roots (the Ultima series, the Gold Box series.)

No MMO currently on the market actively supports the RP part of MMORPG.  None.  Full Stop.  They might as well take out the RP, take out levels, call it MMOG, and be done with it.  

  cdestey

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7/16/14 11:34:03 AM#56
Originally posted by Crusades
Thanks for the advice, but I already knew that, and that's why I play fps. No leveling needed, even match, no gear grind, just skill vs skill. If you don't like skill vs skill it's probably because you suck and need to buy your power, either by directly paying to win or by sinking 8 hours a day into your game of choice so you have better gear than everyone else. I know I know I have the same option to pay and win or time sink gear grind too, so it is even, but no thanks got to much other stuff I enjoy doing too. Bottom line leveling sucks for me and is good for people that don't have anything else to do but pown lowbies and brag about it. The same people that love leveling, those people are level capped in 2 days.

You should probably read the post before you respond to the thread title alone...

  askdaboss

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7/16/14 11:43:22 AM#57
Originally posted by Tolmos

MMOs involve persistent worlds. They involve world player caps that extend into the thousands (as opposed to FPS' several hundred player caps) and player economies that have varying degrees of complexity (from WoW's simplistic AH system to EVE's "need an accounting degree to figure out wtf I'm doing" market scheme). They involve player interaction beyond just shooting them in the face, and these days involve world events that hundreds of players from around the game world can take place in. They have cities, towns, hamlets and little camps all around to explore and see.

And yet, these people don't see that. All they see are levels. Take those away, and as far as they are concerned, it would just another FPS.

MMO = "Massively Multiplayer Online".

And that's it.

 

It just sets technical constraints but doesn't say anything about the actual gameplay. So in a way you are correct but also reading too much into it.

- "Massively multiplayer" = assuming more (non-concurrent) players than a "simple multiplayer" titles

- "Online" = Requires you to connect to play

It doesn't tell a lot.

 

 

  nariusseldon

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7/16/14 12:28:23 PM#58
Originally posted by Beatnik59
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Tolmos

MMOs involve persistent worlds. They involve world player caps that extend into the thousands (as opposed to FPS' several hundred player caps) and player economies that have varying degrees of complexity

Not all of them. Marvel Heroes has no persistent world. Worlds of Tank has no persistent world, and no player economies.

Persistent world is not that central an idea in MMOs anyway. Even WOW, while it has a persistent world, there are tons of non-persistent gameplay modes (like cross realm instanced dungeons).

 

For once, I have to agree with Naiusseldon.

The reason so many people say "if you don't like levelling, play a FPS" is because, for all intents and purposes, the only thing that separates an MMO these days from a FPS is the levelling.  We have to keep in mind that the persistant world, all the economy, all the esoteric elements have been more or less taken out over the last decade.  To the new players coming up, there really is no concept that an MMO is anything other than levels, quests, levels and quests.

Will those other MMO-sy elements the OP talks about come back?  Who knows.

It highly depends on if there is a large enough market for those elements. It is pretty obvious to me that AAA development is going to focus on the mass market, and clearly those elements are not popular in the mass market.

So that leaves the niche/indie market. But even then, you have to make a certain amount of money to be successful. You have to ask how many hard core gamers are left who are willing to pay $15 a month for a new indie MMO in the sea of F2P, and AAA games in other genre?

  nariusseldon

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7/16/14 12:29:31 PM#59
Originally posted by askdaboss

- "Massively multiplayer" = assuming more (non-concurrent) players than a "simple multiplayer" titles


 

The newest COD has way more non-concurrent players than Eve.

So CoD is "massively multiplayer", and Eve is "simple multiplayer"?

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7/16/14 2:43:01 PM#60
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Beatnik59
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Tolmos

MMOs involve persistent worlds. They involve world player caps that extend into the thousands (as opposed to FPS' several hundred player caps) and player economies that have varying degrees of complexity

Not all of them. Marvel Heroes has no persistent world. Worlds of Tank has no persistent world, and no player economies.

Persistent world is not that central an idea in MMOs anyway. Even WOW, while it has a persistent world, there are tons of non-persistent gameplay modes (like cross realm instanced dungeons).

 

For once, I have to agree with Naiusseldon.

The reason so many people say "if you don't like levelling, play a FPS" is because, for all intents and purposes, the only thing that separates an MMO these days from a FPS is the levelling.  We have to keep in mind that the persistant world, all the economy, all the esoteric elements have been more or less taken out over the last decade.  To the new players coming up, there really is no concept that an MMO is anything other than levels, quests, levels and quests.

Will those other MMO-sy elements the OP talks about come back?  Who knows.

It highly depends on if there is a large enough market for those elements. It is pretty obvious to me that AAA development is going to focus on the mass market, and clearly those elements are not popular in the mass market.

So that leaves the niche/indie market. But even then, you have to make a certain amount of money to be successful. You have to ask how many hard core gamers are left who are willing to pay $15 a month for a new indie MMO in the sea of F2P, and AAA games in other genre?

Well, all I know is that Space Engineers, a game still in Alpha, has been in the top 10 purchases in Steam for months now.  Minecraft is so popular, it's even getting ported to consoles.  And big budget MMOs and MOBAs?  For the few that make it big, life is good...but there's a lot of minnows who aren't looking as good.

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