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  SBFord

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OP  7/15/14 7:18:55 AM#1

Today on Twitch, Mark Jacobs and the City State team are continuing their BSC Week of livestream reveals, this time with the Magic System for Camelot Unchained. We caught up with Mark ahead of time to ask him a few questions about the system (being revealed live now on Twitch).  Check it out!

Read more of Rob Lashley's Camelot Unchained: The Magic System Revealed.

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  Mithrundir

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7/15/14 2:25:26 PM#2
Loving the live streams this week, finally a game made for RvR that doesn't compromise its pvp to appeal to other game styles (pve, rp, etc.)
 

Dozens of MMO's, RTS's, FPS's, etc.

  Wighty

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7/15/14 2:39:37 PM#3

I have been following a lot of the news on this and I have to say between this and The Repopulation I think all my gaming desires will be fulfilled.

 

I saw the powerpoint slides on the use based system and Magic reveal on Massively:

USE SYSTEM:

http://massively.joystiq.com/photos/camelot-unchained-bsc-days-stat-reveal

MAGIC SYSTEM:

http://massively.joystiq.com/photos/camelot-unchained-bsc-days-magic

 

I have to say that Mark and his team seem to really be focusing on the intricate and complex game mechanics of some of the classic MMO games which is a blessing!

 

I really hope they are able to achieve their vision as based on what I have read it looks fantastic. Mark, uses the word immersion a lot and that is what is severely lacking in a lot of today's "fast food" style MMORPG's.

 

It is also refreshing that Mark and CSE are building this game for a niche audience and not succumbing to the masses, this is a realist approach where the game knows it's audience and is not appologizing for it.

 

Thanks to Mark and the CSE team for this incredible vision.

-Proud supporter of Camelot Unchained Kickstarter

What are your other Hobbies?

Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...

  Tierless

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joie de vivre

7/15/14 2:44:54 PM#4
Tell me more of these "Malevolences" you speak of.

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  Cramit845

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7/15/14 2:48:35 PM#5

I have been following this game from the very beginning.  I was all over the forums and everything, although in the past couple months I have completely fallen off being a active participant in the forums.

 

However, even with out being able to watch the streams (I live with capped internet), having these updates has been great.  I fell off the forums cause there wasn't much to talk about at the time but it is so nice to finally be seeing some of the systems and ideas they decided to implement and I am once again extremely excited for this game. 

 

However, full disclosure, as soon as I heard of this game I knew I was going to be playing it, so I guess I wasn't concerned with falling off the forums/development cause I already made my decision on it.  I suppose Fanboi is appropriate for me when it comes to this game.

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  superconducting

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7/15/14 6:00:43 PM#6

Wow. I'm really damn impressed here. These are nothing short of brilliant design decisions. I like every choice they made and the reasons behind them. Every system is well thought out. Glad I finally kicked in my pledge.

  Tamanous

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7/15/14 6:05:16 PM#7
Quite honestly the best sounding magic system I have ever heard of ... likely across game genres. It is scary how much is sounds exactly what I suggest on the CU forums. I am in no way taking credit lol. It is obviously influenced around many pnp, warhammer style games and other genres. It just so happens to be exactly what I was hoping for.

You stay sassy!

  Tamanous

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7/15/14 6:11:49 PM#8
Originally posted by Tierless
Tell me more of these "Malevolences" you speak of.
 

Not sure myself but sure sounds nasty. I wonder if enough players can strategically attempt to call one forth.

 

Little bit of Winds of Magic from old Warhammer rules thrown into magic system in concept.

 

You stay sassy!

  SunwolfNC

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7/15/14 6:57:06 PM#9

Sounds really, really cool. Maybe a bit too hardcore for me concerning the apparent time sink the game seems to promise, though. Love the possibility of a sentient spellbook :)

Custom named spells seems like an Internet Rule 34 trap...especially if the spell name will be broadcast in logs or text windows...

  gylnne

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7/15/14 8:42:10 PM#10
One concept discussed during the twitch live stream was the possibility of the casters spell backfiring on them.:) An element of danger when applying your craft, nice.:)
  Uproar

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I was once Tailrot, Uproar, Bandage, Thus(tin) Hammered, Rock, and so many more. Aye gamerest.

7/15/14 8:51:38 PM#11
I am so happy I bought into this game -- they are giving us something fresh as promised!  A lot of the recent news looks right on target to provide a fun game.  I'm happily keeping my fingers crossed this trend continues.

  grogstorm

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If it ain't broke, dont fix it!

7/15/14 10:38:37 PM#12

Man o mam I really love the directions they are taking on the things I have seen so far.   Yesterdays abundant interconnected abilities presentation was extremely exciting.  And now with today's magic presentation I can clearly see they mean business when they say "this ain't your Dad's MMO" but a new and exciting approach to the old pen and paper games like D&D.

Absolutely impressive so far.  I am really looking forward to this games release.

Grog

  Vorthanion

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7/15/14 10:51:31 PM#13
Originally posted by gylnne
One concept discussed during the twitch live stream was the possibility of the casters spell backfiring on them.:) An element of danger when applying your craft, nice.:)

Why is it that only casters have ever suffered from something like this throughout the history of MMOs, but nothing for melee characters?  PnP games had things like fumbles, trips and critical misses to add flavor to a melee class.  I think it's unfair to always add weaknesses to one type of character and not apply it to all.

  Fearum

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7/15/14 11:01:27 PM#14
Originally posted by grogstorm

Man o mam I really love the directions they are taking on the things I have seen so far.   Yesterdays abundant interconnected abilities presentation was extremely exciting.  And now with today's magic presentation I can clearly see they mean business when they say "this ain't your Dad's MMO" but a new and exciting approach to the old pen and paper games like D&D.

Absolutely impressive so far.  I am really looking forward to this games release.

I agree 100%.

Reading the forums over there and seeing a few of the more vocal people the last few months trying to theory shape the game into a MOBA or some kind of FPS type game was getting me turned off a bit, but to see MJ and team coming out swinging with their original vision still dead in the sites has made me excited for the game again.

Glad to see them keeping up with what they said they would deliver from the start is really refreshing. The passion they all seem to have still is also contagious and it comes off like they are really having fun making this game. I hope they find the special recipe and make an amazing game, can't wait to hear/see more.

  Tamanous

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7/15/14 11:08:00 PM#15
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by gylnne
One concept discussed during the twitch live stream was the possibility of the casters spell backfiring on them.:) An element of danger when applying your craft, nice.:)

Why is it that only casters have ever suffered from something like this throughout the history of MMOs, but nothing for melee characters?  PnP games had things like fumbles, trips and critical misses to add flavor to a melee class.  I think it's unfair to always add weaknesses to one type of character and not apply it to all.

I do agree for the most part because the critical failure was something we used in our pnp rpg games and I honestly cannot think of a time where any player became upset over the result (other than missing their attack itself). I like to think outside the box on things and would RP a result often comical and even not totally detrimental to the situation depending on the circumstances. This applied to all players as it was a general rule.

 

An example is if someone rolls a critical failure (typically a 1 on say a d20 roll) and I say their weapon swing within a confined space made it hit something above you (me playing the role of the DM/GM obviously). It is easy to say they simply missed or their weapon broke but what they hit and what that does also can be very interesting. Perhaps they hit something electrical (In a more modern or sci-fi game) and short out all the lights suddenly putting all combatants in the dark or a pipe and steam pours out acting like a blind and an aoe damage to everyone in the area. These are powerful RP tools simply made up on the fly.

 

In mmos this becomes tricky. Melee fighters are typically most at risk simply because they fight at close range. This applies to sieges, mass combat and in general limits their options ... aka they must be in someone's face. Their attacks are numerous and drawn from physical capability and muscle memory over concentration and complexity. The art of melee fighting is one of simplicity and effectiveness and tends to be very reliable. Magic is a balance of power and weakness. Melee is much more of a reliable yet smaller power curve. The balance is built in for the most part. Push back and spell failure is part of magic's total equation and not as much an additional penalty and perhaps simply putting yourself in harms way is part of the penalty for melee.

 

That said, there is plenty of room for some interesting ideas akin to push back and fizzles but in a different school of thought. CU is obviously a game where BSC ideas can cover this. I have yet to see a presentation specifically on melee combat so perhaps they already thought of this (although I may have read or heard that the crafted weapon itself may break which is indeed a risk). I do suggest that everyone post on various sites and even the backers site (if you pledged or wish to pledge). MJ does indeed come to these sites and reads these posts.

You stay sassy!

  Fearum

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7/15/14 11:19:43 PM#16
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by gylnne
One concept discussed during the twitch live stream was the possibility of the casters spell backfiring on them.:) An element of danger when applying your craft, nice.:)

Why is it that only casters have ever suffered from something like this throughout the history of MMOs, but nothing for melee characters?  PnP games had things like fumbles, trips and critical misses to add flavor to a melee class.  I think it's unfair to always add weaknesses to one type of character and not apply it to all.

Really? I'm pretty sure they haven't covered Melee combat yet so I would wait and see before declaring the end of the world.

MJ has said before you will miss swings, trip and have critical misses so not sure what you are talking about.

  saker

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7/15/14 11:37:07 PM#17
I hate when these games throw ice out there as a "element", it just annoys me to no end. I can see the 4 archetypal old elements as symbolic elements, and they work well. Old original EQ had fun with the 4 elemental Magician pets, a good system that can be expanded on.
  grogstorm

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If it ain't broke, dont fix it!

7/15/14 11:42:19 PM#18
Originally posted by Fearum
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by gylnne
One concept discussed during the twitch live stream was the possibility of the casters spell backfiring on them.:) An element of danger when applying your craft, nice.:)

Why is it that only casters have ever suffered from something like this throughout the history of MMOs, but nothing for melee characters?  PnP games had things like fumbles, trips and critical misses to add flavor to a melee class.  I think it's unfair to always add weaknesses to one type of character and not apply it to all.

Really? I'm pretty sure they haven't covered Melee combat yet so I would wait and see before declaring the end of the world.

MJ has said before you will miss swings, trip and have critical misses so not sure what you are talking about.

Just think of it as your kids in the back yard.  It is ok for the one swinging the stick to be running around hitting things.  But the other one running around with the can of gas is just to much for you to ignore.  The greater the power the greater the chance of failure.

Grog

  Tamanous

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7/15/14 11:46:54 PM#19
Originally posted by saker
I hate when these games throw ice out there as a "element", it just annoys me to no end. I can see the 4 archetypal old elements as symbolic elements, and they work well. Old original EQ had fun with the 4 elemental Magician pets, a good system that can be expanded on.

Many games pull from far more than the traditional ancient Greek 4 elements. Taoist elements are actually Wood. Fire, Earth, Metal and Water. Common Fantasy concepts often use ascendant and opposed elements and often include: Water, Fire, Ice, Wind, Earth, Lightning, Darkness and Light. Fantasy also commonly pulls from extraplanar elements which add even more types.

 

These are all extremely common and typically a staple in pnp rpg games. In fact it is the exception to not see many of these element types. Pulling from simply the 4 classical elements would be rare and likely a game focused squarely on ancient western human history and little from other sources of fantasy.

You stay sassy!

  Skuall

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7/15/14 11:57:25 PM#20

O_O im impressed , cant wait to see the magic system on action

magicka ftw

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