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  User Deleted
7/07/14 4:09:19 PM#221
Originally posted by injenu
It's posts like these that make me want to re-subscribe... Again.

That came to mind :)).

  Channce

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7/07/14 4:20:28 PM#222
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by Maelwydd

I love EVE.

 

250k less jerks to play the games I do like.

So someone like me who spent 7 years in EVE, was even a member of goonwaffe, never did any pvp other than being blown up twice, never scammed anyone, and spent most of my time as an industrialist who built things to sell in null sec, am by default a jerk because I played EVE?  

So if I'm a jerk for playing EVE, then what is someone who will call people they don't know a jerk for playing a game?  

BTW, members of goonwaffe are in every MMO out there.  

And I know it's hard to believe, but people who play EVE also play other games.  You should probably stop playing MMO's, I mean you don't want to play with one of us jerks, right? 

I knew it !, there is only one chat server for every MMO, how else would you explain the same rude, disgusting, stupid, bully remarks that every single MMO has?

When I said i had "time", i meant virtual time, i got no RL "time" for you.

  User Deleted
7/07/14 4:24:20 PM#223
Originally posted by Channce
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by Maelwydd

I love EVE.

 

250k less jerks to play the games I do like.

So someone like me who spent 7 years in EVE, was even a member of goonwaffe, never did any pvp other than being blown up twice, never scammed anyone, and spent most of my time as an industrialist who built things to sell in null sec, am by default a jerk because I played EVE?  

So if I'm a jerk for playing EVE, then what is someone who will call people they don't know a jerk for playing a game?  

BTW, members of goonwaffe are in every MMO out there.  

And I know it's hard to believe, but people who play EVE also play other games.  You should probably stop playing MMO's, I mean you don't want to play with one of us jerks, right? 

I knew it !, there is only one chat server for every MMO, how else would you explain the same rude, disgusting, stupid, bully remarks that every single MMO has?

Please tell me that is sarcasm...

  xXStarstruckXx

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7/07/14 4:30:28 PM#224

You guys are like omg.... soft-core players or something worse.

Gaming industry is not becoming worse it's becoming more Hardcore more games are focusing pvp, companies start to see that pve is booring peoples want action they want GvG they want to fight other players, structured gaming with team speak raid leaders and etc.

Sadly in this world we have peoples that got a purpose in a game too have fun too join up a team to play structured to fight battles.

then we have the mindless peoples that join EPIC LARGE BLOBS 10000000 PLAYERS ONE COMMANDER players. they are the ones that are killing games.

 

for example eve online I am not gonna quote which alliance but my crew around 20 companies decided to do a test, we change our names and everything new accounts we make a new alliance and we check how long it takes before the pugs start to send applications too us.

1 week and just 5 large battles and all the pugs mindless peoples started to sign up and boom 400+ player fleet and nobody knows what to do they just stick to the commander no idea what to do.

 

sucks for you that you get killed the second you get outta the start up field but hey never happened me and I have played on 15 accounts(just wanted to restart on new alias tbh still use my main<3) and never got shoot down.

how come that is possible when everyone else whine it's not? well I joined a ''start up alliance'' there is so many community alliances, community clans for newbies they will protect you, they will teach you.

 

my final suggestion is that you read the eve online community and ask peoples before throwing a rant<3

  StarI

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Joined: 1/18/06
Posts: 824

7/07/14 5:08:40 PM#225

The fact that EvE is so successful despite it's  vector movement and the lack of popular orks and elves speaks for itself.

New people shouldn't be afraid to dive in just because somone decides to share how butthurt they got. Our worl is full of stories like this, don't let them dictate how you live and experience.

 

  pi.til.12

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Joined: 9/09/06
Posts: 10

7/07/14 5:12:23 PM#226
Originally posted by StarI

The fact that EvE is so successful despite it's  vector movement and the lack of popular orks and elves speaks for itself.

New people shouldn't be afraid to dive in just because somone decides to share how butthurt they got. Our worl is full of stories like this, don't let them dictate how you live and experience.

 

+1

  Wickersham

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7/14/14 11:03:19 PM#227
A few months isn't enough time to become accustomed to how eve is different than your typical MMORPG; so, instead of picking the game apart on this forum due to something you don't fully understand why don't you just ask the vets here for advice or help?

"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"

  Beatnik59

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"Playing things I shouldn''t be playing since 1977."

7/17/14 4:34:31 PM#228

I played EVE for a few years, mainly around the FSCN/BOB wars and the Good/BOB wars.  I can't lie.  I dug on it.  I ran a corp (a roleplay corp), joined corps and ran my own private mining corp with my alt.  Never got suicide ganked in highsec (I left around the time it was becoming popular), I did my share of 0.0 fighting/ratting and low-sec fighting/ratting.

I didn't leave because of the grief.  Grief is actually really easy to avoid if you just do some basic things, like run a tackler/escort alt orbiting your covetor, or not going in on Teamspeak/Vent, or not registering for player forums.  I have to laugh when these EVE heavyweights b!tch about "vent hacks" and website hacks in a game that actually promotes metagaming as a way to win.  I say what goes around, comes around, and I bet you'll see a whole lot more hacks and malware attacks as this game progresses into its next decade (if it even lasts that long).

But you see, that's the real problem with EVE.  As it's a game that is centered around professionalized clan versus clan organizations, the very entry requirements to the "game in chief" exposes you to the dirty tricks.  You want to join an alliance corp?  That's cool...but expect to be required to register to forums, log on to Teamspeak, killboards, yadda yadda, and then some time down the line get hacked by an alliance who takes you down.  But that's just window dressing.

Strangely enough, when I went out cruising for a fight in lo-sec with my puny Punisher frigate, nearly all the would-be pirates and gankers I targeted warped out real quick.  Pussies, really.  Why?  Real simple.  They know that I'm flying something that I don't give a sh!t about, so they don't give a sh!t about it.  What they want is the Caldari Navy battleship you earned, or the covetor, or something they know you like...even something cheap and worthless to them is better if they know it's important to you.

When I played, piracy was seen as a profession; a way to earn ISK.  These days, it seems piracy is just a way to earn lulz and forum fame.  Cheap gimmicks, really.  That's all EVE seems to be about now.

Part of it may be that the EVE faithful already have achieved their goals, and have new goals...perhaps even perverse goals...which don't include much game-related satisfaction anymore.  They don't need ISK.  They don't need security.  They don't even need to train new skills so much.  What they need is to get a rise out of another human being, or to feel that all the EVE success makes them special, or powerful, or whatnot.

Part of it may also be that CCP just isn't interested in giving you much of a game to play if you aren't going to "fit in" to the way the alliances have set things up on Tranquility (namely, mandatory voice use, IP tracking, professionalized guild membership, etc.).  Most of the players who aren't in that 10% of alliance players are still playing no better than Castor, as far as their gameplay.

To the guy who got canned and said, "I felt that," congratulations.  You have now just become initiated into the death-spiral of hardcore addictiveness, where your emotional health is now tied into a system that makes money--hand over fist--off of your emotional crisis.  The fact that you "got revenge" is, in the long run, probably the worst thing that could happen to you, since it'll only feed you deeper into the obsession.

But I do have to agree with the folks here, the EVE faithful, who say that CCP isn't going to change, and that grief is just part of the EVE experience.  Grief is, quite frankly, the only thing that is keeping the accounts subbed. to this thing  Grief has always been the flipside of powergaming; I don't think you can separate the two, psychologically.  Grief gives you an incentive to become a powergamer, it gives you drive to maintain your power, and it is also your reward (to grief others at will) for powergaming well.  EVE wouldn't survive without it, since without grief, hardcore EVE players would no longer have any hopes or fears.  CCP, I think, knows this, which is why they are going to double-down and triple down on it whenever it is convenient.  Tales of grief get the PLEX bought, the PLEX used and the accounts resubbed for those who are on the fence.

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  kinart

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7/22/14 5:28:38 PM#229
I haven't played EvE and now considering trying it. I don't understand though OP, if you really feel about this cause, why don't you make a guild with other people and hunt down the grievers? Like Space Police or something.
  Quesa

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7/22/14 5:42:20 PM#230
Originally posted by kinart
I haven't played EvE and now considering trying it. I don't understand though OP, if you really feel about this cause, why don't you make a guild with other people and hunt down the grievers? Like Space Police or something.

Because that would take effort...

  Ikeda

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Joined: 10/07/10
Posts: 2014

7/22/14 6:58:22 PM#231

Hahah El Oh El.

So it's pretty public.  I've been back in Eve, what, like 1-2 weeks now.  I lost my first ship lastnight.  I (being dumb) warped into a combat hub with my light explorer frigate.  Except, it wasn't just any combat hub but one of the Sansha's hardest hitting combat hubs.  

A person, with a warrant, came in, helped clear the area (took them 1.5 hrs), and then helped me get my stuff back.  They even handed me all the salvage. (~63million)

Now...

How many gankers have I seen in 2 weeks?  0.  

I did have one arsehat scan my Badger II as I was leaving Penirgman with a cargo full of Exploration items (5 Herons, with full gear, including rigs probes drones).  But, I expect that when I'm flying ye ol barge of goodies.

So I think people just wanna get their panties twisted about the game.  Today, they overhauled Industry and I've heard both positives and negatives.  If I were a long time player it might make me more skittish, but since I'm not I like the changes.

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  Rylah

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7/28/14 9:37:25 AM#232
Originally posted by Ikeda

Hahah El Oh El.

So it's pretty public.  I've been back in Eve, what, like 1-2 weeks now.  I lost my first ship lastnight.  I (being dumb) warped into a combat hub with my light explorer frigate.  Except, it wasn't just any combat hub but one of the Sansha's hardest hitting combat hubs.  

A person, with a warrant, came in, helped clear the area (took them 1.5 hrs), and then helped me get my stuff back.  They even handed me all the salvage. (~63million)

Now...

How many gankers have I seen in 2 weeks?  0.  

I did have one arsehat scan my Badger II as I was leaving Penirgman with a cargo full of Exploration items (5 Herons, with full gear, including rigs probes drones).  But, I expect that when I'm flying ye ol barge of goodies.

So I think people just wanna get their panties twisted about the game.  Today, they overhauled Industry and I've heard both positives and negatives.  If I were a long time player it might make me more skittish, but since I'm not I like the changes.

That's the spirit!

About the industry changes: For long time near monopolists the changes are of course a bit harsh, but the overall goal of EvE, to move power from the game to players, was reached perfectly. Production is now both more risky and potentially more rewarding than before as it should be. Sucks that I get a bit less out of salvage but I pay this price happily when looking at how this will shake some markets and player behaviour up.

To the guy above who was lecturing about hacking... If you join a corp of this kind because you think it will actually improve your gaming experience you deserve every little bit they have coming at you. It's really not hard to sort the better apples from the rotten ones.

Now let's hope that the changes to 0.0 CCP Seagull hinted at for the following patches have an equally dramatic effect. I want all the powerblocks crumble and fall! Mwaahaaaa. Ok, I'm ok, all fine again, no need to call the medic...

  Agent_Joseph

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7/29/14 10:30:39 AM#233

what now ? , should that player (Chribba) start crying like baby start looking for mum and leave game ;

http://evenews24.com/2014/07/28/chribba-loses-tengu-to-pandemic-legion/

only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW

  Hariken

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7/29/14 10:57:46 AM#234
Whenever someone ask me about Eve online i direct them to minebumping.com and they can't believe this goes on in a game where your asked to pay monthly for. Its like being forced to play your game the way some sick people with no life want . No one with common sense would put up with this crap. Every mmo player i know hate this game now. It was bad back when i played it but now its just filled with sick people. And the people that defend it might even be part of that sick group of players coming here and saying its not that bad. I hope they keep losing players. The people that play that game are not good. No matter what gets posted here.
  fearu

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7/29/14 11:01:12 AM#235

Tears have been harvested.

 

 

  Agent_Joseph

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7/29/14 11:05:10 AM#236
Originally posted by Hariken
Whenever someone ask me about Eve online i direct them to minebumping.com and they can't believe this goes on in a game where your asked to pay monthly for. Its like being forced to play your game the way some sick people with no life want . No one with common sense would put up with this crap. Every mmo player i know hate this game now. It was bad back when i played it but now its just filled with sick people. And the people that defend it might even be part of that sick group of players coming here and saying its not that bad. I hope they keep losing players. The people that play that game are not good. No matter what gets posted here.

what ?  you wish more psycho/sick peoples in your games !?

only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW

  cupofcoffee

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7/29/14 11:25:03 AM#237
Originally posted by Hariken
Whenever someone ask me about Eve online i direct them to minebumping.com and they can't believe this goes on in a game where your asked to pay monthly for. Its like being forced to play your game the way some sick people with no life want . No one with common sense would put up with this crap. Every mmo player i know hate this game now. It was bad back when i played it but now its just filled with sick people. And the people that defend it might even be part of that sick group of players coming here and saying its not that bad. I hope they keep losing players. The people that play that game are not good. No matter what gets posted here.

i agree 100%!

Those Code guys are scary close to fascism and despotism (look the definitions up and compare to the stuff they write on their homepage). I am ok with sandbox and open world but there should be some lines you should not be allowed to cross, if there is nobody to counter them.

I mean, we all have morals and other rules that guide us without explicit laws - those should apply everywhere. Even in gaming.

 

  cupofcoffee

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7/29/14 11:41:48 AM#238

there are morals that are not based on religions or other convictions - we all know that it is wrong to blackmail and threaten and so on. i think we can all agree on that.

piracy is part of EVE - i am fine with that (as are many others). but we have a new level of organized extortion and cult-like behaviour that is just wrong.

i am accepting, ofc, other opinions on this...

  Renoaku

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7/29/14 11:55:48 AM#239

CCP won't get involved just because someone is blowing up your ship in High Sec for any reason.

However should enough people complain in like exact words about this site, and involved parties

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html 

About ship bumping to prevent a player from warping off and such then it can be considered harassment and a GM can take care of the issue likely.

Also if enough complain about this specific group of players trying to set rules that are not actually in the game up and doing harassment then it might be able to be dealt with my staff or should be dealt with.

To be straight blowing up a ship is not harassment, bumping, Making Demands, Making players have to respond to chat for any reason is harassment and should be dealt with if they want to fire on another ship for any reason they do have that right because concord will deal with them.

Also the way to deal with Gankers is run a "Skiff" full tank build, have an ORCA, and 5+ accounts with shield boosters on them as well in high sec as well as not be in a corporation then no one can gank you.

  User Deleted
7/29/14 11:56:31 AM#240
Originally posted by cupofcoffee

there are morals that are not based on religions or other convictions - we all know that it is wrong to blackmail and threaten and so on. i think we can all agree on that.

piracy is part of EVE - i am fine with that (as are many others). but we have a new level of organized extortion and cult-like behaviour that is just wrong.

i am accepting, ofc, other opinions on this...

Good deeds can end up with evil ends and vice versa. You need to revise some of your cognitive pathways because while indeed certain things in EVE are unquestionably ethically negative these are rare and more often than not galvanize the community to better itself. Looking from the outside the negative outliers do stand out more, from within you realize the vast, vast, majority of people are alright or even really nice (in WoW for example you can get shunned by an entire server because of one thing you did in-game or out of it, in EVE we accept bad apples as well as good ones because it is all subjective in the end).

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