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  SEANMCAD

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7/10/14 10:58:26 AM#21
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by aesperus

Thats...not really true.

 

For starters, most indie devs are actively avoiding MMOs atm. MMOs are way more work than most people realize, they are extremely risky to innovate on, and they are extremely complex to do correctly.

That said, most indie devs have knowledge of the industry. Either they work in game development themselves, or are friends with people who do. Many of them do understand how to compartmentalize a project, and organize it. There are definitely those that trying and approach it as a hobbyist, but they are not the majority.

Furthermore, many of these indie devs end up being picked up (absorbed) by larger companies if there is interest in their project, so there's a lot of (formerly) indie devs we just don't think about anymore. Valve is a good example of this, as they've absorbed a number of mod teams into their company. Blizzard has also done this, and EA is notorious for doing this.


 

So you disagree that indy games are usually lower quality products?

I would completely disagree.

The only thing AAA games exceed at is graphics, nothing else.

Correlation does not imply causation

  Ludwik

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7/10/14 11:10:29 AM#22
There's only so many hours in the day.

If I only have time to play 1 game, naturally I'm gonna pick the game with multimillion dollar budget over the thousand dollar budget.

Part of the problem is that you can't trust reviews anywhere anymore.
  Foomerang

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7/10/14 11:14:16 AM#23

Triple A basically means mainstream now. Which means big budget, polished presentation, low risk. At this stage in the industry, indie games are more viable than ever. But in either venue, you have to weed through a lot of turds in order to find the good stuff.

Nintendo is the only developer left that I can 100% rely on delivering true AAA games on a consistent basis.

  SEANMCAD

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7/10/14 11:18:59 AM#24
Originally posted by Ludwik
There's only so many hours in the day.

If I only have time to play 1 game, naturally I'm gonna pick the game with multimillion dollar budget over the thousand dollar budget.

Part of the problem is that you can't trust reviews anywhere anymore.

your first sentence makes total sense and I used to think that way.

For reasons that are hard for anyone to understand (I am not suggesting I understand either) the indies are much better

Correlation does not imply causation

  nariusseldon

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7/10/14 2:13:10 PM#25
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Ludwik
There's only so many hours in the day.

If I only have time to play 1 game, naturally I'm gonna pick the game with multimillion dollar budget over the thousand dollar budget.

Part of the problem is that you can't trust reviews anywhere anymore.

your first sentence makes total sense and I used to think that way.

For reasons that are hard for anyone to understand (I am not suggesting I understand either) the indies are much better

The indies are much better "for you". I play both AAA and indies. Usually AAAs are much better "for me".

Some indies are good interesting games (like Gone Home or van Helsing) but they don't have the entertainment value (to me) compared to a D3, Dishonor, Tomb Raider, or even Sniper Elite 3.

 

  pantaro

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7/10/14 2:32:22 PM#26

triple A's sell consoles period,but I'll play whatever as long as it grabs me and sucks me in i love resogun and many other indies.indies are great when your waiting on that certain big name game or you just wanna kill some time here or there. 

But i wouldn't waste my money on a console if all it played was indie games,especially since pc games are dirt cheap and you can find sales all over daily.

I get why he said what he said,but i really dont think he wanted to sound how its coming off.he's just trying to promote the lil guys who do make quality games on smaller budgets.

  SEANMCAD

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7/10/14 4:35:39 PM#27
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Ludwik
There's only so many hours in the day.

If I only have time to play 1 game, naturally I'm gonna pick the game with multimillion dollar budget over the thousand dollar budget.

Part of the problem is that you can't trust reviews anywhere anymore.

your first sentence makes total sense and I used to think that way.

For reasons that are hard for anyone to understand (I am not suggesting I understand either) the indies are much better

The indies are much better "for you". I play both AAA and indies. Usually AAAs are much better "for me".

Some indies are good interesting games (like Gone Home or van Helsing) but they don't have the entertainment value (to me) compared to a D3, Dishonor, Tomb Raider, or even Sniper Elite 3.

 

1. of course I mean 'for me'. this is called normal conversation.

2. how about all the people saying 'AAA games are better' dont they also get a bit of your wisdom? or just me.

3. is it at all possible for all of us here at MMORPG to leave behind the whole subjective / its not a fact  cleverness behind. It makes us sound like we just passed our first test in law 101, its not clever

Correlation does not imply causation

  nariusseldon

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7/10/14 5:30:03 PM#28
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Ludwik
There's only so many hours in the day.

If I only have time to play 1 game, naturally I'm gonna pick the game with multimillion dollar budget over the thousand dollar budget.

Part of the problem is that you can't trust reviews anywhere anymore.

your first sentence makes total sense and I used to think that way.

For reasons that are hard for anyone to understand (I am not suggesting I understand either) the indies are much better

The indies are much better "for you". I play both AAA and indies. Usually AAAs are much better "for me".

Some indies are good interesting games (like Gone Home or van Helsing) but they don't have the entertainment value (to me) compared to a D3, Dishonor, Tomb Raider, or even Sniper Elite 3.

 

1. of course I mean 'for me'. this is called normal conversation.

2. how about all the people saying 'AAA games are better' dont they also get a bit of your wisdom? or just me.

3. is it at all possible for all of us here at MMORPG to leave behind the whole subjective / its not a fact  cleverness behind. It makes us sound like we just passed our first test in law 101, its not clever

1) nah .. normal conversation here is "you game is shit, mine is golden" (or replace by FFA-pvp or whatever the dead horse is) ... followed by "that is your preference, most players don't like that" .. and so on and so forth.

2) Why do you care? Obviously they have games to play, and you have games to play? Don't get me wrong, i do agree that some indie games are good (to me) but i think views on indie games are much more varied just because they have lower budgets and the scope is very limited

3) probably not ... lawyering on forums are never going to stop.

  nariusseldon

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7/10/14 5:31:29 PM#29
Originally posted by pantaro

triple A's sell consoles period,but I'll play whatever as long as it grabs me and sucks me in i love resogun and many other indies.indies are great when your waiting on that certain big name game or you just wanna kill some time here or there. 

But i wouldn't waste my money on a console if all it played was indie games,especially since pc games are dirt cheap and you can find sales all over daily.

I get why he said what he said,but i really dont think he wanted to sound how its coming off.he's just trying to promote the lil guys who do make quality games on smaller budgets.

I won't waste my money on a console ... period. I get most of the AAA games on my gaming PC anyway .. and the few exclusives that i don't have .. i don't miss (ok .. may be Destiny ... but i bet sooner or later there will be a PC version, and I don't buy  console just for one game).

 

  SEANMCAD

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7/10/14 6:43:05 PM#30
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Ludwik
There's only so many hours in the day.

If I only have time to play 1 game, naturally I'm gonna pick the game with multimillion dollar budget over the thousand dollar budget.

Part of the problem is that you can't trust reviews anywhere anymore.

your first sentence makes total sense and I used to think that way.

For reasons that are hard for anyone to understand (I am not suggesting I understand either) the indies are much better

The indies are much better "for you". I play both AAA and indies. Usually AAAs are much better "for me".

Some indies are good interesting games (like Gone Home or van Helsing) but they don't have the entertainment value (to me) compared to a D3, Dishonor, Tomb Raider, or even Sniper Elite 3.

 

1. of course I mean 'for me'. this is called normal conversation.

2. how about all the people saying 'AAA games are better' dont they also get a bit of your wisdom? or just me.

3. is it at all possible for all of us here at MMORPG to leave behind the whole subjective / its not a fact  cleverness behind. It makes us sound like we just passed our first test in law 101, its not clever

1) nah .. normal conversation here is "you game is shit, mine is golden" (or replace by FFA-pvp or whatever the dead horse is) ... followed by "that is your preference, most players don't like that" .. and so on and so forth.

2) Why do you care? Obviously they have games to play, and you have games to play? Don't get me wrong, i do agree that some indie games are good (to me) but i think views on indie games are much more varied just because they have lower budgets and the scope is very limited

3) probably not ... lawyering on forums are never going to stop.

every single day we here someone trying to be clever and explain to us that nothing is factual and everything is subjective.

It gets really really really boring.

On Facebook I get posts (and make posts) all the time similar to 'its the best food ever!' and nobody has any problem with it. OF COURSE its not the best food ever, its an expression for those who know how to communicate.

On average, AAA games are shit.....TO ME.

Correlation does not imply causation

  Ramonski7

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7/10/14 6:59:06 PM#31
You wanna know why gamers spend more time buying and playing AAA games rather than indie game? I'll tell why...no one wants to work to play games anymore, not even in mmorpgs. Look for a good game....too much work. Accept a game's shortcomings...too much work. With the attitude of today's players, there is no room for more tea in their cups. They know everything, done everything and saw everything there is to be done. They refuse to be impressed or taught..and that my friend is the reason they buy and play AAA games.


"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."

  SEANMCAD

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7/10/14 7:03:35 PM#32
Originally posted by Ramonski7
You wanna know why gamers spend more time buying and playing AAA games rather than indie game? I'll tell why...no one wants to work to play games anymore, not even in mmorpgs. Look for a good game....too much work. Accept a game's shortcomings...too much work. With the attitude of today's players, there is no room for more tea in their cups. They know everything, done everything and saw everything there is to be done. They refuse to be impressed or taught..and that my friend is the reason they buy and play AAA games.

I dont think that is why. I think its because the large companies dont want to put in the effort and they have the advertising dollars to drowned out the indies to the point where people dont know they exist. This is pre-2012 though, that trend is changing quickly.

Correlation does not imply causation

  User Deleted
7/10/14 7:10:46 PM#33

Maybe its more like when people think big budget game they set their expectations too high, so they end up let down.

And when they go into an indie game with no or very little expectations they find that fun factor.

  SEANMCAD

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7/10/14 7:13:47 PM#34
Originally posted by Soandsoso

Maybe its more like when people think big budget game they set their expectations too high, so they end up let down.

And when they go into an indie game with no or very little expectations they find that fun factor.

well I cant speak for all indie lovers but I can speak to what grabs me about indies and the thing is it can be quantified.

features (I am sure someone will want to debate what a 'feature is) but the bottom line is

The amount of things I can do in the indies games I play is radically more than what I can do in a AAA game. So it is measurable. 

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  Kaijin2k3

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7/10/14 8:22:42 PM#35

Games such as Titanfall, Killzone SF, Infamous SS; they bring with them all these articles, presentations, images, showcases, interviews; the hype is quite real, and lots of people are swept by it. 

Meanwhile games such as FTL, Bastion, Xenonauts, Transistor, Orcs Must Die!; they carry very little of it outside of word of mouth between users, and the "mainstream crowd" end up largely ignoring them. What are they constantly hearing more of? The AAA games by far.

So a lot of people end up with this mindset of: "Oh yeah, I think I heard about it. That's cool, I guess, but did you see the new Infamous screenshots? HOLY SHIT!" kind of thing.

 

tl;dr: I think, when talking about consumers as a whole, it's the hype and attention a lot of the AAA games command that convinces them they're more worth the time. Only a small amount of indies carry the same attention, and they are generally quite successful for it (eg Minecraft).

  Beelzebobbie

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If DaoC was so fun why don't you just play it?

7/10/14 8:36:15 PM#36
Minecraft pretty good indie game.
  ElRenmazuo

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OP  7/10/14 8:36:30 PM#37
Originally posted by Kaijin2k3

tl;dr: I think, when talking about consumers as a whole, it's the hype and attention a lot of the AAA games command that convinces them they're more worth the time. Only a small amount of indies carry the same attention, and they are generally quite successful for it (eg Minecraft).

Indies require to have a certain amount of ambition or creativity for it to become popular like Minecraft did.  If its not doing something innovative than it at least has to have a good amount of polish to the overall game or some kind of unique visual appearance that makes it stand out.  In my opinion when it comes to indie games the next big one is No Mans Sky.  I know I keep talking about it but damn its got me excited.  Its so awsome Sony decided to present it at their own E3 press conference.

  rojoArcueid

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7/10/14 8:44:02 PM#38
Originally posted by Uhwop

but I didn't buy a PS4 to play games that will run on a PS2. 

i love a lot of indie games but this is how i feel.

  SEANMCAD

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7/11/14 9:43:40 AM#39
Originally posted by allday88

It's mind numbing seeing some on here act like indie games are far superior to AAA. That is simply not true is any case. The majority of indie games are thrown together to make a quick buck.  They flood the market with $14.99 piles of garbage.  Now in that pile you are bound to find a gem but they are few and far between.  Let's just look at a few examples.

 

Fps= AAA titles are more popular and more successful for example BF, CoD

RPG= AAA titles are more popular and  more successful for example ME, DA, ES

MMO=AAA titles are more popular and more successful for example WoW

Sport titles = AAA titles are more popular and more successful for example Madden, Nhl, FIFA 

 

Now these are undeniable facts, sure some may back with just because it's more popular and more successful doesn't mean they are better games.  Well actually yes it does when they are played by millions more compared to their indie competition even though their indie competition is usually $30-40 cheaper.  

 

Again indie games are good for gamers, most aren't very good a few surprise us.  But nobody will buy a gaming PC, ps4 or xbox one for indie titles.  Sorry to break the hearts of the die hard indie supporters.  

 

despite what many think large sales does not equal good game.

In my mind AAA games are garbage by comparision just like TO YOU AAA games are better.

Sales does not mean better. Sales means good advertising. 

If sales means better then McDonalds is better than Ruth Chris Stake House.

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7/11/14 9:52:29 AM#40
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by allday88

It's mind numbing seeing some on here act like indie games are far superior to AAA. That is simply not true is any case. The majority of indie games are thrown together to make a quick buck.  They flood the market with $14.99 piles of garbage.  Now in that pile you are bound to find a gem but they are few and far between.  Let's just look at a few examples.

 

Fps= AAA titles are more popular and more successful for example BF, CoD

RPG= AAA titles are more popular and  more successful for example ME, DA, ES

MMO=AAA titles are more popular and more successful for example WoW

Sport titles = AAA titles are more popular and more successful for example Madden, Nhl, FIFA 

 

Now these are undeniable facts, sure some may back with just because it's more popular and more successful doesn't mean they are better games.  Well actually yes it does when they are played by millions more compared to their indie competition even though their indie competition is usually $30-40 cheaper.  

 

Again indie games are good for gamers, most aren't very good a few surprise us.  But nobody will buy a gaming PC, ps4 or xbox one for indie titles.  Sorry to break the hearts of the die hard indie supporters.  

 

despite what many think large sales does not equal good game.

In my mind AAA games are garbage by comparision just like TO YOU AAA games are better.

Sales does not mean better. Sales means good advertising. 

If sales means better then McDonalds is better than Ruth Chris Stake House.

I knew someone would throw the old and cliche 'Mcdonald' comparison in argument.

However, Mcdonald is popular because it is cheaper and is readily available everywhere. Can you say the same about gaming? it is certainly not cheaper.

Yes advertisement matters but advertisement only goes as far as making you buy the product...liking or disliking that product is not dependent upon the advertisement.

Take example of WOW or COD franchise. Advertisement will make you buy the product for sure but if players keep coming back to it for more that means game is actually good.

So yes my friend.... more sales does mean better. 

 

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