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  ElRenmazuo

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OP  7/08/14 6:54:19 PM#41

Even if Oculus loses and shutdown the project, VR headsets will and are being developed by other companies so its still a Win for me.  The only bad thing is that it may delay the tech from getting to a commercial release and I dont know why anyone would think thats a good thing.  There is still Sony Project Morpheus and that other VR kickstarter project ANTVR Kit to look forward to for me.

The thing about oculus is that out of all headsets it showed the most promise tech wise because of how dedicated they have been in its development.  I dont think a huge comany like facebook would buy it and hire big names from the game industry to start more projects that go with the oculus if they thought oculus has a big chance of being a disaster.

  Omali

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7/08/14 6:55:06 PM#42
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Myria
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

makes me curious who is on the board. I thought CEOs where hired which makes me wonder why they would hire him

What part of "acquitted of all charges" was unclear?

 

The law system is pretty corrupt. Acquitted doesnt mean innocent.

The law system doesn't prove innocence, it can only prove guilt or fail to prove guilt. That's why verdicts are read guilty and not guilty, and not guilty or innocent.

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7/08/14 6:58:22 PM#43
Originally posted by ElRenmazuo

Even if Oculus loses and shutdown the project, VR headsets will and are being developed by other companies so its still a Win for me.  The only bad thing is that it may delay the tech from getting to a commercial release and I dont know why anyone would think thats a good thing.  There is still Sony Project Morpheus and that other VR kickstarter project ANTVR Kit to look forward to for me.

The thing about oculus is that out of all headsets it showed the most promise tech wise because of how dedicated they have been in its development.  I dont think a huge comany like facebook would buy it and hire big names from the game industry to start more projects that go with the oculus if they thought oculus has a big chance of being a disaster.

well that is a point.

even cardboard for that matter.

The thing is I don't know if everyone is using the same software in question.  Now that would suck.

Correlation does not imply causation

  ElRenmazuo

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OP  7/08/14 6:58:54 PM#44
Originally posted by Kicksave321
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As a gamer and as someone who has a huge interest in VR technology, isnt it only natural to have an interest in the case of zenimax and oculus?  Other than that I've always had an interest in Zenimax as I have always supported Elder Scrolls Online and other games made by their sub companies.  So I dont know how you thought I dont have an interest?

  Cleffy

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7/08/14 8:40:29 PM#45
I don't really think this means anything. Compared to other publishers, Zenimax is an angel. So it really does not bother me about the CEOs past when the companies actions are pretty honest. So far Zenimax has conducted 2 lawsuits. After the success of Fallout 3, by Bethesda; Interplay clearly attempted to capitalize on it and release Fallout Online despite selling the rights to Zenimax. Now there is this lawsuit where a person working for Zenimax on their VR tech up and joined another VR tech company while potentially using VR tech developed for Zenimax. I really don't see the shadiness in their actions here. I think the best thing about this case is it will bring everything out into the open and resolve itself.
  TankYou88

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7/08/14 9:09:03 PM#46
Originally posted by Cleffy
I don't really think this means anything. Compared to other publishers, Zenimax is an angel. So it really does not bother me about the CEOs past when the companies actions are pretty honest. So far Zenimax has conducted 2 lawsuits. After the success of Fallout 3, by Bethesda; Interplay clearly attempted to capitalize on it and release Fallout Online despite selling the rights to Zenimax. Now there is this lawsuit where a person working for Zenimax on their VR tech up and joined another VR tech company while potentially using VR tech developed for Zenimax. I really don't see the shadiness in their actions here. I think the best thing about this case is it will bring everything out into the open and resolve itself.

He didnt up and leave. ZoS shut the VR project down. After that he left. This is also after Oculus started on their VR project and sent out their first set of dev kits.

Dont see how its shady when you have a finished project and someone comes in afterwards.

  Asm0deus

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7/08/14 9:25:40 PM#47
Ha wasn't aware of this information OP.  This is good to know and it explains some of the shady vibes I get from zenimax. Hope Facebook kicks their arse in court and VR marches on.

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  Cleffy

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7/08/14 10:40:37 PM#48
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Cleffy
I don't really think this means anything. Compared to other publishers, Zenimax is an angel. So it really does not bother me about the CEOs past when the companies actions are pretty honest. So far Zenimax has conducted 2 lawsuits. After the success of Fallout 3, by Bethesda; Interplay clearly attempted to capitalize on it and release Fallout Online despite selling the rights to Zenimax. Now there is this lawsuit where a person working for Zenimax on their VR tech up and joined another VR tech company while potentially using VR tech developed for Zenimax. I really don't see the shadiness in their actions here. I think the best thing about this case is it will bring everything out into the open and resolve itself.

He didnt up and leave. ZoS shut the VR project down. After that he left. This is also after Oculus started on their VR project and sent out their first set of dev kits.

Dont see how its shady when you have a finished project and someone comes in afterwards.

I think there is a reason Zenimax only sued after Occulus was bought by Facebook. Lets just take this in the perspective of the owner. You paid a John Carmack to work on your VR tech. You decide that pursuing VR tech is not the right move for your business and shut the project down. The person working on the VR tech decides to join a small startup developing VR tech.

Now as the person who committed money to VR tech, it by all rights should be theirs. This is Zenimax we are talking about so they don't really care too much that a small startup with a lot of community backing is developing this product further. The real issue comes when Facebook buys them out. Now all that research coined by your company is being used to profit some shady multi-billion corp.

I really don't see how this makes Zenimax some type of evil corp, or Zenimax some type of patent troll. They seemed to be perfectly fine having a small startup have a chance at releasing a revolutionary technology. The gloves only came off when a competitor to Zenimax and a company with a lot of financial backing looks to claim a profit on their research.

  TankYou88

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7/08/14 10:57:59 PM#49
Originally posted by Cleffy
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Cleffy
I don't really think this means anything. Compared to other publishers, Zenimax is an angel. So it really does not bother me about the CEOs past when the companies actions are pretty honest. So far Zenimax has conducted 2 lawsuits. After the success of Fallout 3, by Bethesda; Interplay clearly attempted to capitalize on it and release Fallout Online despite selling the rights to Zenimax. Now there is this lawsuit where a person working for Zenimax on their VR tech up and joined another VR tech company while potentially using VR tech developed for Zenimax. I really don't see the shadiness in their actions here. I think the best thing about this case is it will bring everything out into the open and resolve itself.

He didnt up and leave. ZoS shut the VR project down. After that he left. This is also after Oculus started on their VR project and sent out their first set of dev kits.

Dont see how its shady when you have a finished project and someone comes in afterwards.

I think there is a reason Zenimax only sued after Occulus was bought by Facebook. Lets just take this in the perspective of the owner. You paid a John Carmack to work on your VR tech. You decide that pursuing VR tech is not the right move for your business and shut the project down. The person working on the VR tech decides to join a small startup developing VR tech.

Now as the person who committed money to VR tech, it by all rights should be theirs. This is Zenimax we are talking about so they don't really care too much that a small startup with a lot of community backing is developing this product further. The real issue comes when Facebook buys them out. Now all that research coined by your company is being used to profit some shady multi-billion corp.

I really don't see how this makes Zenimax some type of evil corp, or Zenimax some type of patent troll. They seemed to be perfectly fine having a small startup have a chance at releasing a revolutionary technology. The gloves only came off when a competitor to Zenimax and a company with a lot of financial backing looks to claim a profit on their research.

Carmack joined after Oculus sent out their first Dev Kits, not before. That means that all coding is theirs not ZoS.

  SEANMCAD

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7/08/14 11:02:39 PM#50
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Cleffy
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Cleffy
I don't really think this means anything. Compared to other publishers, Zenimax is an angel. So it really does not bother me about the CEOs past when the companies actions are pretty honest. So far Zenimax has conducted 2 lawsuits. After the success of Fallout 3, by Bethesda; Interplay clearly attempted to capitalize on it and release Fallout Online despite selling the rights to Zenimax. Now there is this lawsuit where a person working for Zenimax on their VR tech up and joined another VR tech company while potentially using VR tech developed for Zenimax. I really don't see the shadiness in their actions here. I think the best thing about this case is it will bring everything out into the open and resolve itself.

He didnt up and leave. ZoS shut the VR project down. After that he left. This is also after Oculus started on their VR project and sent out their first set of dev kits.

Dont see how its shady when you have a finished project and someone comes in afterwards.

I think there is a reason Zenimax only sued after Occulus was bought by Facebook. Lets just take this in the perspective of the owner. You paid a John Carmack to work on your VR tech. You decide that pursuing VR tech is not the right move for your business and shut the project down. The person working on the VR tech decides to join a small startup developing VR tech.

Now as the person who committed money to VR tech, it by all rights should be theirs. This is Zenimax we are talking about so they don't really care too much that a small startup with a lot of community backing is developing this product further. The real issue comes when Facebook buys them out. Now all that research coined by your company is being used to profit some shady multi-billion corp.

I really don't see how this makes Zenimax some type of evil corp, or Zenimax some type of patent troll. They seemed to be perfectly fine having a small startup have a chance at releasing a revolutionary technology. The gloves only came off when a competitor to Zenimax and a company with a lot of financial backing looks to claim a profit on their research.

Carmack joined after Oculus sent out their first Dev Kits, not before. That means that all coding is theirs not ZoS.

1. who wrote the code at Oculus while Carmack was at Zen. Dont assume please, do you know for sure? and did he do it on his own time or their time if he was the author. again, dont assume

2. I thought the mods randomly (as they often do) locked this thread

Correlation does not imply causation

  TankYou88

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7/08/14 11:20:59 PM#51
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Cleffy
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Cleffy
I don't really think this means anything. Compared to other publishers, Zenimax is an angel. So it really does not bother me about the CEOs past when the companies actions are pretty honest. So far Zenimax has conducted 2 lawsuits. After the success of Fallout 3, by Bethesda; Interplay clearly attempted to capitalize on it and release Fallout Online despite selling the rights to Zenimax. Now there is this lawsuit where a person working for Zenimax on their VR tech up and joined another VR tech company while potentially using VR tech developed for Zenimax. I really don't see the shadiness in their actions here. I think the best thing about this case is it will bring everything out into the open and resolve itself.

He didnt up and leave. ZoS shut the VR project down. After that he left. This is also after Oculus started on their VR project and sent out their first set of dev kits.

Dont see how its shady when you have a finished project and someone comes in afterwards.

I think there is a reason Zenimax only sued after Occulus was bought by Facebook. Lets just take this in the perspective of the owner. You paid a John Carmack to work on your VR tech. You decide that pursuing VR tech is not the right move for your business and shut the project down. The person working on the VR tech decides to join a small startup developing VR tech.

Now as the person who committed money to VR tech, it by all rights should be theirs. This is Zenimax we are talking about so they don't really care too much that a small startup with a lot of community backing is developing this product further. The real issue comes when Facebook buys them out. Now all that research coined by your company is being used to profit some shady multi-billion corp.

I really don't see how this makes Zenimax some type of evil corp, or Zenimax some type of patent troll. They seemed to be perfectly fine having a small startup have a chance at releasing a revolutionary technology. The gloves only came off when a competitor to Zenimax and a company with a lot of financial backing looks to claim a profit on their research.

Carmack joined after Oculus sent out their first Dev Kits, not before. That means that all coding is theirs not ZoS.

1. who wrote the code at Oculus while Carmack was at Zen. Dont assume please, do you know for sure? and did he do it on his own time or their time if he was the author. again, dont assume

2. I thought the mods randomly (as they often do) locked this thread

Well here is the team of people who are working on Oculus. It looks like it was a collaboration. Both the founders of Oculus created a VR program while they were in collage. They also had a prototype when they showed Carmack early on. Their code is also open source for anyone to see if you want to look through it to find out if they are telling the truth. 

http://www.oculusvr.com/company/people/

  SEANMCAD

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7/08/14 11:25:28 PM#52
Originally posted by TankYou88
 

Well here is the team of people who are working on Oculus. It looks like it was a collaboration. Both the founders of Oculus created a VR program while they were in collage. They also had a prototype when they showed Carmack early on. Their code is also open source for anyone to see if you want to look through it to find out if they are telling the truth. 

http://www.oculusvr.com/company/people/

my bad I thought that the implication was that carmack was writting code for Oculus during that time but hired by Zen.

Regardless it now looks like zen is going to have a hard time controlling VR anyway, Samsung is getting into as well with the same code from Oculus.

 

Zen just missed out

 

 

Correlation does not imply causation

  Asm0deus

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7/08/14 11:26:17 PM#53
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
.......snip....

1. who wrote the code at Oculus while Carmack was at Zen. Dont assume please, do you know for sure? and did he do it on his own time or their time if he was the author. again, dont assume

2. I thought the mods randomly (as they often do) locked this thread.

Exactly don't assume. 

1 ~ You do not know if carmick used anything he worked on when he was with zenimax.

2 ~ Do you know for sure zenimas is in the right and not just looking to muscle into some money like a good troll? Like you're fond of saying don't assume.

3 ~ Robert A Altman has a shady past which puts zenimax claims in some doubt.

 

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  SEANMCAD

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7/08/14 11:31:08 PM#54
Originally posted by Asm0deus
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
.......snip....

1. who wrote the code at Oculus while Carmack was at Zen. Dont assume please, do you know for sure? and did he do it on his own time or their time if he was the author. again, dont assume

2. I thought the mods randomly (as they often do) locked this thread.

Exactly don't assume. 

1 ~ You do not know if carmick used anything he worked on when he was with zenimax.

2 ~ Do you know for sure zenimas is in the right and not just looking to muscle into some money like a good troll? Like you're fond of saying don't assume.

3 ~ Robert A Altman has a shady past which puts zenimax claims in some doubt.

 

that is EXACTLY right. which is also why the exact opposite is true.

A close inspection on my posts makes it clear that I dont care who is at fault. My ONLY concern is that if Zen wins they will fuck up VR because they didnt have the vision to continue to do R&D on it in the first place. I dont want a company who has not a fucking clue what they own to own VR.

 

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  Recon0303

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7/08/14 11:33:26 PM#55
Originally posted by MrMelGibson
I'm sure if you look hard enough, you'll find dirt on every game developer and CEO.  

Being a gamer and a developer I find this offensive ..    That is a broad statement.. That is like saying, all gamers are whiners and want all games for free...   So the point is , not all devs, and CEO have dirt.... That is crap..

  Keatlorien

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7/08/14 11:39:51 PM#56

I hope the developers get a clue and realize that there is a market for an mmo about the law. The player base has matured. We have refined our tastes!

Why would you want to slay an Orc when you could just sue it?

  Cleffy

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7/09/14 1:36:27 AM#57
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

1. who wrote the code at Oculus while Carmack was at Zen. Dont assume please, do you know for sure? and did he do it on his own time or their time if he was the author. again, dont assume

2. I thought the mods randomly (as they often do) locked this thread

I don't assume anything. Like I said, the lawsuit will hopefully show the truth. I don't assume Zenimax is in the right, or their CEO is some corrupt being, or Carmack is in the right, or Occulus is in the right, or Facebook is in the right. I simply assume the lawsuit will draw this to a definitive close and Zenimax acted in a way pretty much any business would.

  Asm0deus

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7/09/14 1:51:46 AM#58
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Asm0deus
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
.......snip....

1. who wrote the code at Oculus while Carmack was at Zen. Dont assume please, do you know for sure? and did he do it on his own time or their time if he was the author. again, dont assume

2. I thought the mods randomly (as they often do) locked this thread.

Exactly don't assume. 

1 ~ You do not know if carmick used anything he worked on when he was with zenimax.

2 ~ Do you know for sure zenimas is in the right and not just looking to muscle into some money like a good troll? Like you're fond of saying don't assume.

3 ~ Robert A Altman has a shady past which puts zenimax claims in some doubt.

 

that is EXACTLY right. which is also why the exact opposite is true.

A close inspection on my posts makes it clear that I dont care who is at fault. My ONLY concern is that if Zen wins they will fuck up VR because they didnt have the vision to continue to do R&D on it in the first place. I dont want a company who has not a fucking clue what they own to own VR.

 

Again keep to what you claim, you are assuming that if zenimax wins it will fuck up VR.  I would go on but ..just read what cleffy posted in post #57.

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  BailoPan15

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7/09/14 2:06:09 AM#59
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Kicksave321
Originally posted by ElRenmazuo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Altman

Robert A. Altman

"Altman is a lawyer. He became part of the company BCCI. During his time there he was accused of helping the business buy an American bank and lying to US regulators about it. In 1992, he was indicted for eight felony charges in New York. Altman maintained that he himself was duped by the bank. He was acquitted of all charges, although he did agree to be banned from banking to settle a civil suit by the Federal Reserve."

Just a little info to think about when thinking of the case of zenimax vs oculus.  Make of it what you will.

And inb4 the "you are bias and have an agenda", I dont really care.  What I can say is I love bethesda games and Id Softwares Rage and Doom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Haha 1992!!!  Boy as more and more info about this lawsuit comes out the oculus backers are really stretching to smear Zenimax.  Just because you are backing a potential shady company (Oculus) doesn't mean it's credible to make a silly attempt at smearing Zenimax.  

two questions

what is shady about Oculus?

are they more shady then Zenimax?

Oh you know they crowd funded made millions turned around and sold technology they stole for $2 BILLION.  That's pretty shady in most people books.  

 

One question what is Shady about Zenimax?  

Have you ever invested money in a company? Watch some shark tank to get a basic understand of how it works. People invest in companies and later sell them all the time. The person who invested get what was agreed upon. Nothing shady its called capitalism, which is guess you could call shady.

people invest in companies all the time that get bought and sold and often times the price of the stock goes up when such transactions happen.

if you think the buying and selling of companies is shady then you think our entire market place is shady which might be a valid point but its for a different conversation

The shady part you two business majors missed was the part about selling potential stolen technology.  

Meh, Facebook will prevail, your argument is invalid. They only sued Oculus after they were bought by Facebook. It's sad though. Guess they can't accept the fact that their MMO they invested so much in tanked. *Guess we have to sue few companies now*. Does that remind you of someone? Perhaps Apple? What's your opinion on them? xD

  Excession

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7/09/14 2:24:57 AM#60

Innocent until proven guilty.

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