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  sludgebeard

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OP  7/06/14 9:07:56 PM#21
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by DamonVile

I'm sure he never sets out to screw people over. He's probably full of good intentions at the beginning. He's become such a villain in the mmo world because of how he acts and treats others once the ship springs a leak.

But isn't that when you really get to see someones true character ?

When the ship sprang a leak (that is, when Microsoft changed CEOs and the new one had no interest in making an MMO, and cut Sigil loose), he spent 6 months pitching the ship to about 60 different repairmen, and only one stepped up, and offered about 40 planks of wood when the ship needed about 100 to float.

Originally posted by theo5

He deserves everything he gets. Sorry sack of nothing. I feel sorry for anyone who gives him money.

You've got to wonder what someone died to get this kind of reaction, so many years after the fact. The man basically invented the modern MMO, so saying he can't execute his ideas is just stupid. Especially considering most people loved the gameplay in Vanguard, and only stopped playing due to engine issues or lack of development.

Sigil was, without a doubt, mismanaged. But the odd thing is, most big studios have been mismanaged since 2004, and Brad has since gone on record about a dozen different times, going into detail about what went wrong, what the mistakes were, and how he plans to fix them, yet everyone acts as if he's learned nothing and that he sabotaged his own ship.

 

And then there's the moronic rumor started by a fucking Vanguard fansite admin, that he has a drug addiction. No basis, no facts, not a single person backed it up, and yet the rumor flies around at the speed of sound.

 

So the answer, why is he villainized? Because people want him to be, in spite of the actual facts of evidence.

Exactly and when I ask people to provide links to proof of these claims, what do they do?

Post a link to an article from some unknown website that is basing its info off ANOTHER Un-named website.

 

Even with the recent Pantheon debacle, the developer that went on KTAM Radio said he had statistics, charts, graphs, etc proving that Brad stole nearly 65k and not 40k. Yet he never provided the graphs or any other info and hasnt been heard of since.

 

On top of that, What is KTAM, its a website with roughly 40 members, a radio show that gets 100 hits max a week, yet everyone is so ready to accept that Brad stole the 40k because a guy with no actual proof went onto that J-List Website and said he did.

 

Its like you said, people just want to hate him, thats all there is to it. 

  Slackker

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Joined: 8/26/04
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7/06/14 9:10:34 PM#22

I'm certainly one of the people who goes out of my way to put a "warning" tag on anything he puts his name on. I was guardedly optimistic about Pantheon, because he has at least had games released in the past - despite whatever issues he may have. I'd say I was hopeful for the game itself, but cautious about trusting him running the show. I have one post here in a positive light for Pantheon, countered by several doom and gloom posts on the board of a game I cannot mention on these forums. Any project he's involved with now is indeed doomed. It isn't 1999. It isn't 2006.

If he's hired by a company to work on a project I would likely be guardedly optimistic again, since there would be others involved - some of them above him in the food chain. But getting that job opportunity is a challenge, based on his own mistakes.

After the Pantheon money issue things have changed. Nothing he does on his own, with his name out front, should be taken seriously. I do believe others should warn people and cite that, so they don't waste their money. If he can get investors, or enough people to donate after that? Great. No matter how many mistakes he makes he has the right to make a game, but it SHOULD be a more difficult road based on the speed bumps and detours he himself has created.

His games being accepted by the public should be just as difficult as Brad getting hired by a MMO developer. That's really the bottom line for me. He shouldn't get a free pass just because his ideas are a bit less of a rehash than what we usually get, or because he was involved in making a good game and a decent one that could have been good.

Hey, maybe he can be in Iron Man 4.

-Slackker

  Tibernicuspa

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Joined: 11/03/13
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7/06/14 9:13:36 PM#23
Originally posted by sludgebeard
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by DamonVile

I'm sure he never sets out to screw people over. He's probably full of good intentions at the beginning. He's become such a villain in the mmo world because of how he acts and treats others once the ship springs a leak.

But isn't that when you really get to see someones true character ?

When the ship sprang a leak (that is, when Microsoft changed CEOs and the new one had no interest in making an MMO, and cut Sigil loose), he spent 6 months pitching the ship to about 60 different repairmen, and only one stepped up, and offered about 40 planks of wood when the ship needed about 100 to float.

Originally posted by theo5

He deserves everything he gets. Sorry sack of nothing. I feel sorry for anyone who gives him money.

You've got to wonder what someone died to get this kind of reaction, so many years after the fact. The man basically invented the modern MMO, so saying he can't execute his ideas is just stupid. Especially considering most people loved the gameplay in Vanguard, and only stopped playing due to engine issues or lack of development.

Sigil was, without a doubt, mismanaged. But the odd thing is, most big studios have been mismanaged since 2004, and Brad has since gone on record about a dozen different times, going into detail about what went wrong, what the mistakes were, and how he plans to fix them, yet everyone acts as if he's learned nothing and that he sabotaged his own ship.

 

And then there's the moronic rumor started by a fucking Vanguard fansite admin, that he has a drug addiction. No basis, no facts, not a single person backed it up, and yet the rumor flies around at the speed of sound.

 

So the answer, why is he villainized? Because people want him to be, in spite of the actual facts of evidence.

Exactly and when I ask people to provide links to proof of these claims, what do they do?

Post a link to an article from some unknown website that is basing its info off ANOTHER Un-named website.

 

Even with the recent Pantheon debacle, the developer that went on KTAM Radio said he had statistics, charts, graphs, etc proving that Brad stole nearly 65k and not 40k. Yet he never provided the graphs or any other info and hasnt been heard of since.

 

On top of that, What is KTAM, its a website with roughly 40 members, a radio show that gets 100 hits max a week, yet everyone is so ready to accept that Brad stole the 40k because a guy with no actual proof went onto that J-List Website and said he did.

 

Its like you said, people just want to hate him, thats all there is to it. 

Exactly that. I just don't understand it. He's one of maybe 3 developers that have attempted to bring back the age of MMOs that so many people have been missing over the years, and he's hated more than EA.

  Geebus80

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Joined: 1/28/13
Posts: 96

7/06/14 9:17:23 PM#24

Brad, I am sure, is not a bad person, but he has let his fans down multiple times and the results of his efforts usually result in failure and or a big screw over.

I think the biggest issue with Brad has already been said in this thread, he is not a leader. Great for ideas but to run a business and or have final say in matters is a role he should be kept far away from.

  Tibernicuspa

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7/06/14 9:24:43 PM#25
Originally posted by Geebus80

Brad, I am sure, is not a bad person, but he has let his fans down multiple times and the results of his efforts usually result in failure and or a big screw over.

You use words like "usually" and "multiple times"... what big "screw over" happened, exactly? People were let down by the state of Vanguard, and every squarely pinned the blame on his shoulders, despite it being more to do with Microsoft than anyone else.

What other times did people get "screwed over"?

  TankYou88

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Joined: 6/25/14
Posts: 335

7/06/14 9:26:42 PM#26
Originally posted by comicguy

Blizzard wasted hundreds of millions on the next MMORPG and then canned it.  Brad only took $45k.  Blizzard wasted over $100 millions and had to start over.

How about FFXIV? Wasted millions and had to start over.

 

IF BLIZZARD AND SQUARE are willing to waste millions and continue on, then I say we need to give Brad millions to make the next great game

1 its their money. They can do whatever they want with it. 2 if you are talking about Titan its still in development. They said they wouldnt have Titan compete with WoW which sounds like WoW will have to be dead before they produce it and they shut it down.

  TankYou88

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7/06/14 9:33:39 PM#27
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Wizardry

However if people are going to flame him then look no further than Blizzard ,their big shots raked in 100's millions,something Brad has NEVER had the luxury of doing.Has Blizzard stolen that money from the gamer's who made it for Blizzard,most certainly they have because imo they have not come even remotely close to putting back a fair share into the game.

So how is Blizzard's operations and different than anything Brad has ever done?You think Blizzard tells all it's employees where the money is going?You think when Blizzard deposits 500 million into the bank they are thinking about the little guy making 40k a year,while the big shots live in mansions and travel the world?

Did Blizzard take a bunch of customer money for a game that never launched?

I don't think you understand how crowdsourcing works....

If you would actually go to the website, it was very clear what the money was going to. That is, paying the developers for the prototype, and then shopping it around to investors. The rest went to the website. There were literally no surprises.

Except when you have it on Kickstarter or Indiegogo you are insuring that you will make a product and if you dont then you can be made to repay all the money. Kickstarter just sued a company recently and refunded all the money to the people who got screwed over by some guy who was making custom playing card decks.

For the most part you are paying for a product before hand similar to a preorder but for this the product is yet to be produced and could take some time to create.

We also know that 45k was taken out of the 150k budget for Brad himself and was 3 months of pay... according to him. How did he expect to make a game that will take years to make on 150k when he is paying himself 15k a month and not paying anyone else apparently at the same time.

Have you seen what he put out recently that was showing off the game? The character designs were bought from another company, the animations were horrible. He also said it was suppose to only showcase the environment, which he could have done without using character models that were not his and showing his ass. 150k and nothing to show for it.

  Jadedangel1

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Joined: 5/25/13
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7/06/14 9:44:39 PM#28
OP, I see many post from you on this thread and others, all in defense of Brad McQuaid. Why is that? Do you know him personally? This is a serious question, not me trying to troll you. Or are you Brad himself? If not, I just find it odd that you would staunchly defend someone you don't know. Despite all evidence to the contrary (circumstantial or not), how can you still defend this man? You act like everyone is on a witch hunt, but what has he done to give you the benefit of the doubt? Again, honest question.
  Tibernicuspa

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7/06/14 9:46:46 PM#29
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Wizardry

However if people are going to flame him then look no further than Blizzard ,their big shots raked in 100's millions,something Brad has NEVER had the luxury of doing.Has Blizzard stolen that money from the gamer's who made it for Blizzard,most certainly they have because imo they have not come even remotely close to putting back a fair share into the game.

So how is Blizzard's operations and different than anything Brad has ever done?You think Blizzard tells all it's employees where the money is going?You think when Blizzard deposits 500 million into the bank they are thinking about the little guy making 40k a year,while the big shots live in mansions and travel the world?

Did Blizzard take a bunch of customer money for a game that never launched?

I don't think you understand how crowdsourcing works....

If you would actually go to the website, it was very clear what the money was going to. That is, paying the developers for the prototype, and then shopping it around to investors. The rest went to the website. There were literally no surprises.

Except when you have it on Kickstarter or Indiegogo you are insuring that you will make a product and if you dont then you can be made to repay all the money. For Kickstarter, yes. Actually how it works is, if the project doesn't fund, you NEVER GET CHARGED. It's not a refund. So nobody got charged for the Pantheon kickstarter, because it didn't fund, and that's the most basic principal of Kickstarter, and you seem not to understand it. can't wait to read the rest of your post... Kickstarter just sued a company recently and refunded all the money to the people who got screwed over by some guy who was making custom playing card decks. Cool?

For the most part you are paying for a product before hand similar to a preorder but for this the product is yet to be produced and could take some time to create. Okay? We don't exactly need a reminder on how crowdsourcing works... but you seem to need it.

We also know that 45k was taken out of the 150k budget for Brad himself and was 3 months of pay... according to him. Not the entire story actually, at this point, but that doesn't seem to matter anymore. How did he expect to make a game that will take years to make on 150k when he is paying himself 15k a month and not paying anyone else apparently at the same time. He didn't, he clearly stated that the money he got was towards a prototype which would be sent out to investors who would then fund further development. That was the deal going into the funding.

Have you seen what he put out recently that was showing off the game? The character designs were bought from another company, the animations were horrible. Holy shit, it's a pre alpha tech demo. The game hasn't even started proper development yet. Would you rather he HIDE the game from everyone until it's pretty so that everyone can scream that he's not working on the game and that he ran off with the money?  He also said it was suppose to only showcase the environment, which he could have done without using character models that were not his and showing his ass. 150k and nothing to show for it.

Believe your own fairy tales buddy.

 

  TankYou88

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7/06/14 9:58:16 PM#30
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Wizardry

However if people are going to flame him then look no further than Blizzard ,their big shots raked in 100's millions,something Brad has NEVER had the luxury of doing.Has Blizzard stolen that money from the gamer's who made it for Blizzard,most certainly they have because imo they have not come even remotely close to putting back a fair share into the game.

So how is Blizzard's operations and different than anything Brad has ever done?You think Blizzard tells all it's employees where the money is going?You think when Blizzard deposits 500 million into the bank they are thinking about the little guy making 40k a year,while the big shots live in mansions and travel the world?

Did Blizzard take a bunch of customer money for a game that never launched?

I don't think you understand how crowdsourcing works....

If you would actually go to the website, it was very clear what the money was going to. That is, paying the developers for the prototype, and then shopping it around to investors. The rest went to the website. There were literally no surprises.

Except when you have it on Kickstarter or Indiegogo you are insuring that you will make a product and if you dont then you can be made to repay all the money. For Kickstarter, yes. Actually how it works is, if the project doesn't fund, you NEVER GET CHARGED. It's not a refund. So nobody got charged for the Pantheon kickstarter, because it didn't fund, and that's the most basic principal of Kickstarter, and you seem not to understand it. can't wait to read the rest of your post... Kickstarter just sued a company recently and refunded all the money to the people who got screwed over by some guy who was making custom playing card decks. Cool?

For the most part you are paying for a product before hand similar to a preorder but for this the product is yet to be produced and could take some time to create. Okay? We don't exactly need a reminder on how crowdsourcing works... but you seem to need it.

We also know that 45k was taken out of the 150k budget for Brad himself and was 3 months of pay... according to him. Not the entire story actually, at this point, but that doesn't seem to matter anymore. How did he expect to make a game that will take years to make on 150k when he is paying himself 15k a month and not paying anyone else apparently at the same time. He didn't, he clearly stated that the money he got was towards a prototype which would be sent out to investors who would then fund further development. That was the deal going into the funding.

Have you seen what he put out recently that was showing off the game? The character designs were bought from another company, the animations were horrible. Holy shit, it's a pre alpha tech demo. The game hasn't even started proper development yet. Would you rather he HIDE the game from everyone until it's pretty so that everyone can scream that he's not working on the game and that he ran off with the money?  He also said it was suppose to only showcase the environment, which he could have done without using character models that were not his and showing his ass. 150k and nothing to show for it.

Believe your own fairy tales buddy.

 

I dont think you understand what you are reading. If you donate on kickstarter and the project is funded then you are guaranteed to get a product, if not you get refunded.

Sounds like you are one of the fans who paid him so he could pay his medical bills. Also yes he did run off with the money. A few months ago he changed everything after he took 45k from the money the fans gave him. He said that any money that went to the project wouldnt be going to the game anymore and that nothing was guaranteed.

You shouldnt take your anger on me, I didnt steal your money.

  Tibernicuspa

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7/06/14 10:06:36 PM#31
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by Wizardry

However if people are going to flame him then look no further than Blizzard ,their big shots raked in 100's millions,something Brad has NEVER had the luxury of doing.Has Blizzard stolen that money from the gamer's who made it for Blizzard,most certainly they have because imo they have not come even remotely close to putting back a fair share into the game.

So how is Blizzard's operations and different than anything Brad has ever done?You think Blizzard tells all it's employees where the money is going?You think when Blizzard deposits 500 million into the bank they are thinking about the little guy making 40k a year,while the big shots live in mansions and travel the world?

Did Blizzard take a bunch of customer money for a game that never launched?

I don't think you understand how crowdsourcing works....

If you would actually go to the website, it was very clear what the money was going to. That is, paying the developers for the prototype, and then shopping it around to investors. The rest went to the website. There were literally no surprises.

Except when you have it on Kickstarter or Indiegogo you are insuring that you will make a product and if you dont then you can be made to repay all the money. For Kickstarter, yes. Actually how it works is, if the project doesn't fund, you NEVER GET CHARGED. It's not a refund. So nobody got charged for the Pantheon kickstarter, because it didn't fund, and that's the most basic principal of Kickstarter, and you seem not to understand it. can't wait to read the rest of your post... Kickstarter just sued a company recently and refunded all the money to the people who got screwed over by some guy who was making custom playing card decks. Cool?

For the most part you are paying for a product before hand similar to a preorder but for this the product is yet to be produced and could take some time to create. Okay? We don't exactly need a reminder on how crowdsourcing works... but you seem to need it.

We also know that 45k was taken out of the 150k budget for Brad himself and was 3 months of pay... according to him. Not the entire story actually, at this point, but that doesn't seem to matter anymore. How did he expect to make a game that will take years to make on 150k when he is paying himself 15k a month and not paying anyone else apparently at the same time. He didn't, he clearly stated that the money he got was towards a prototype which would be sent out to investors who would then fund further development. That was the deal going into the funding.

Have you seen what he put out recently that was showing off the game? The character designs were bought from another company, the animations were horrible. Holy shit, it's a pre alpha tech demo. The game hasn't even started proper development yet. Would you rather he HIDE the game from everyone until it's pretty so that everyone can scream that he's not working on the game and that he ran off with the money?  He also said it was suppose to only showcase the environment, which he could have done without using character models that were not his and showing his ass. 150k and nothing to show for it.

Believe your own fairy tales buddy.

 

I dont think you understand what you are reading. If you donate on kickstarter and the project is funded then you are guaranteed to get a product, if not you get refunded. Yes, and Pantheon didn't get Kickstarted, it failed to meet funding, which means no one was charged any money at all at any point.

Sounds like you are one of the fans who paid him so he could pay his medical bills Uh, so first you say he took it for salary, now you say it was for medical bills? Even you can't keep your story straight.. Also yes he did run off with the money. A few months ago he changed everything after he took 45k from the money the fans gave him. He changed nothing. He said that any money that went to the project wouldnt be going to the game anymore and that nothing was guaranteed. He said the leftover funds would go to the website while he shopped the protype around.

You shouldnt take your anger on me, I didnt steal your money.

Never spent a dime buddy.

  DarLorkar

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7/06/14 10:24:10 PM#32

Meh, i do not care about the latest whatever it is..trying to make a bigger and better EQ was doomed to niche status before the first line of code was written.

 

That is the issue to me, why support a person that does not see that? Hate him? No,  do not know enough about the guy to care that much really. But support or care about his project?  No.

 

Would not give a  dime, or a care really, till i saw a produced and released game that was not a re-hash of old games that like to punish you to play them.

 

 

  sludgebeard

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Posts: 347

 
OP  7/06/14 10:25:41 PM#33
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Jadedangel1
OP, I see many post from you on this thread and others, all in defense of Brad McQuaid. Why is that? Do you know him personally? This is a serious question, not me trying to troll you. Or are you Brad himself? If not, I just find it odd that you would staunchly defend someone you don't know. Despite all evidence to the contrary (circumstantial or not), how can you still defend this man? You act like everyone is on a witch hunt, but what has he done to give you the benefit of the doubt? Again, honest question.

That might be a great point. Both the people defending him have accounts from the same time and both are very upset that people are upset that he stole money from people who needs the money more than him, no one needs to pay for his drug addiction. Let him ruin his own life for that not everyone elses.

The conspiracy runs deep, the two posters are the same person, and are also Brad.

We are the Triumverate know as Bradsivi. 

 

 

On a serious note, since your questioning my credability as a poster, I am not actually "Defending" Brad at all. Im merely adding some conjecture to the rampant 1-sided conversationalists that decide Brad is nothing short of the Doom-Bringer of MMO's. The man doesnt deserve the hatred, and some people still think its ok, it is not.

 

Theres nothing positive, righteous, or even correct about hating Brad. And do you know why? Because the facts arent there to support the hate. 

 

What do the facts tell us? Brad is a terrible manager and yes, if you dont trust his management skills, you shouldnt give money to his kickstarters, you shouldnt give your money or your time to someone you dont think capable, yes that is all correct. But vilification and staunch judgements dont belong in a logical argument, they just push the real issues down and confuse the rest.

  Tibernicuspa

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7/06/14 10:28:07 PM#34
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Jadedangel1
OP, I see many post from you on this thread and others, all in defense of Brad McQuaid. Why is that? Do you know him personally? This is a serious question, not me trying to troll you. Or are you Brad himself? If not, I just find it odd that you would staunchly defend someone you don't know. Despite all evidence to the contrary (circumstantial or not), how can you still defend this man? You act like everyone is on a witch hunt, but what has he done to give you the benefit of the doubt? Again, honest question.

 no one needs to pay for his drug addiction. Let him ruin his own life for that not everyone elses.

Okay, so you just lost 100% of your credibility if you believe tabloid clickbait.

 

I have a timeshare I want to sell you...

It was from an employee who said he didnt get paid from brad after he took 45k for himself. More reliable than anything you have said.

No, the drug addiction thing. Which was from an admin of a fansite. The 45k thing is also completely unconfirmed, posted on a website that gets maybe 40 hits a day, but that's not what I was calling out.

  TankYou88

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7/06/14 10:39:30 PM#35
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Jadedangel1
OP, I see many post from you on this thread and others, all in defense of Brad McQuaid. Why is that? Do you know him personally? This is a serious question, not me trying to troll you. Or are you Brad himself? If not, I just find it odd that you would staunchly defend someone you don't know. Despite all evidence to the contrary (circumstantial or not), how can you still defend this man? You act like everyone is on a witch hunt, but what has he done to give you the benefit of the doubt? Again, honest question.

 no one needs to pay for his drug addiction. Let him ruin his own life for that not everyone elses.

Okay, so you just lost 100% of your credibility if you believe tabloid clickbait.

 

I have a timeshare I want to sell you...

It was from an employee who said he didnt get paid from brad after he took 45k for himself. More reliable than anything you have said.

No, the drug addiction thing. Which was from an admin of a fansite. The 45k thing is also completely unconfirmed, posted on a website that gets maybe 40 hits a day, but that's not what I was calling out.

Facebook only gets 40 people a day? That is who posted it, the patheon facebook had an argument with his wife about it where she says he deserved that money.

  siicAdelic

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Posts: 34

7/06/14 10:40:14 PM#36
Originally posted by Loke666

Brad is a brilliant game designer but he sucks at economy. As long as you pair him up with a realistic guy who takes care of the money and a few good programmers things are peachy but putting him in charge of everything will just make SIGIL repeat itself.

He is hardly a monster because of that, even if I still wouldn't put a dime into a project he is leading unless someone else hold the money.

You obviously do not know him. 

Brad never coded a damn thing in his life. 

Granted he stole enough code and credit some people may think so.

  Jadedangel1

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7/06/14 10:50:02 PM#37
Originally posted by sludgebeard
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Jadedangel1
OP, I see many post from you on this thread and others, all in defense of Brad McQuaid. Why is that? Do you know him personally? This is a serious question, not me trying to troll you. Or are you Brad himself? If not, I just find it odd that you would staunchly defend someone you don't know. Despite all evidence to the contrary (circumstantial or not), how can you still defend this man? You act like everyone is on a witch hunt, but what has he done to give you the benefit of the doubt? Again, honest question.

That might be a great point. Both the people defending him have accounts from the same time and both are very upset that people are upset that he stole money from people who needs the money more than him, no one needs to pay for his drug addiction. Let him ruin his own life for that not everyone elses.

The conspiracy runs deep, the two posters are the same person, and are also Brad.

We are the Triumverate know as Bradsivi. 

 

 

On a serious note, since your questioning my credability as a poster, I am not actually "Defending" Brad at all. Im merely adding some conjecture to the rampant 1-sided conversationalists that decide Brad is nothing short of the Doom-Bringer of MMO's. The man doesnt deserve the hatred, and some people still think its ok, it is not.

 

Theres nothing positive, righteous, or even correct about hating Brad. And do you know why? Because the facts arent there to support the hate. 

 

What do the facts tell us? Brad is a terrible manager and yes, if you dont trust his management skills, you shouldnt give money to his kickstarters, you shouldnt give your money or your time to someone you dont think capable, yes that is all correct. But vilification and staunch judgements dont belong in a logical argument, they just push the real issues down and confuse the rest.

You say you are not "defending him", but then you go on to mention about it not being "righteous" to hate him. Really odd choice of words there. You say it's not "correct"? Again, my honest question to you is, how do you know it's not correct? I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but you're talking as if you yourself are the only correct one here and has all the answers. How can this be? That makes no sense to me, especially since you say you don't know him. 

If you're just responding to the "1-sided conversationalists" as you say, why not reply on the threads or places it occurs instead of posting new threads about it? It says a lot that the moment I saw the thread title I automatically knew it was you who had posted it, even before reading the OP. Believe what you want about the guy (I myself don't care about him either way, he's no one in my world), and conspiracy theories aside, I just don't understand practically placing a person up high on a pedestal just because you liked a game he designed a decade ago. 

And no, don't worry about me giving money to him or any other bit of "crowdfunding". I don't put out money for products that don't exist.

  siicAdelic

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7/06/14 10:55:57 PM#38
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by Geebus80

Brad, I am sure, is not a bad person, but he has let his fans down multiple times and the results of his efforts usually result in failure and or a big screw over.

You use words like "usually" and "multiple times"... what big "screw over" happened, exactly? People were let down by the state of Vanguard, and every squarely pinned the blame on his shoulders, despite it being more to do with Microsoft than anyone else.

What other times did people get "screwed over"?

ENNNNNN WRONG!!!

 

Sigil had a CONTRACT with microsoft that Sigil signed and agreed to. 

 

Sigil agreed to meet project development progression deadlines.

Sigil missed the first 5 deadlines in a row before microsoft even brought in oversight to check out the game direction and progress.

When the microsoft team saw the lack of progress and the piece of crap sigil was making, microsoft tried to step in and take over the project.

Brad threw a childish little hissy fit just like he did 100 times at SOE. Microsoft gave them three months to catch up the project Sigil ignored them, so Microsoft pulled funding.

Sigil crawled back to SOE and got destroyed on the deal with SOE basically signing over the entire game for nothing.

Hence ended all association between Brad and SOE, and Brad and Microsoft. 

 

I mean honestly when nobody not SOE, Microsoft, Trion, EA, or even PWI want anything to do with Brad, you would think the public would take it as a warning sign.

  Greymantle4

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Posts: 754

7/06/14 11:17:40 PM#39
Originally posted by siicAdelic
 

I mean honestly when nobody not SOE, Microsoft, Trion, EA, or even PWI want anything to do with Brad, you would think the public would take it as a warning sign.

Just a heads up Brad was hired by SOE on July 6, 2012 and worked until September 9, 2013 when he left to do his own game.

  STYNKFYST

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Posts: 313

7/06/14 11:22:51 PM#40

It's funny how many of you think you have the right to voice an opinion on Brad. As if you really truly know the history. You know what you read here....which is nothing.

 

Pathetic...

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