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News & Features Discussion  » [Column] Elder Scrolls Online: Is ESO Dying or Just Carving a Niche?

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7/02/14 4:53:56 PM#141
Dying, cya.

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7/02/14 5:01:14 PM#142
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Speaking for myself I play single player games and MMO games and I honestly do not make a distinction between the two. There are not certain features or aspects that I want out of a single player game that I don't get in a MMO and vice versa. Other than save files for single player, and groups for MMOs.

So I have always struggled with the concept that the two game style and communities are different because I don't think they are.

I am your polar opposite.  I only play MMORPG's, for over 11 years now, and normally only one at a time.

I view people who play  single player, console games along with MMORPG's, as tourists, and part of the problem as developers have tried to cater to this audience.

I consider myself a purist, looking for a virtual world experience to immerse myself in over the long haul. 

To you and most others, these are just "games", I view them as worlds to explore and and live in.

So I do believe there is a significant difference in what these two groups want, you just happen to be part of the much greater sized one.

Now, as for the OP.  I played ESO, with the thought that I would get myself to level 50 and then go spend most of my time PVPing with my guild mates.

When I realized the full impact of VR levels, and how they would increase prowess in PVP, then I realized I'd have to grind through all of them, and then the new expansion content, and so would all my guildmates. 

As we all level at different speeds, we were spread all over the game world, with only a few couples actually playing together.  No way was I going to solo to VR12, nor pug up with others in the expansion to get through the content efficiently, so I left the game to play something else.


I agreed with you till you started blaming people as being a problem.

Only in bizzaro MMo world some one would diss you for having more active social life than willing to live in a virtual world.

God forbid people just want to treat video game as that 'video games'.

What losers right? *rolls eyes*

You are putting words in my mouth.  I never called them losers, but we have significantly different tastes in game design and unfortunately, for me they are mutually exclusive at times.

In order for dev's to create a game to appeal to the tourists, they inevitably alienate the purists, and as we are outnumbered, the games we would like to see made are not.

Instead we get modern theme park 349 and counting.


Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, "Meany", you speak as if these are bad things?
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7/02/14 5:03:27 PM#143

We call an MMO a flop when the game fails to make the amount of money that it had the potential to do.

Most people, including previous posters, seems to think that when a bad game is produced it is obvoius that it was on purpose to make a quick dollar. What they obviously fail to see is that it is the long term quality that will really make a company the money.


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7/02/14 5:03:30 PM#144

I was in the beta and it just didn't feel right, didn't feel like Elder Scrolls and it didn't feel like an MMO. I'm rather annoyed with MMO's making the single player story the main emphasis of the MMO. It makes the game feel like the single player story is separate from the rest of the game, and to me at least it makes you feel disconnected from the world you're playing in.


If ESO was F2P I would play it, at least level up a character and give it a try, but from what I experienced in beta it wasn't worth the sub.


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7/02/14 5:34:06 PM#145
We're (wife and I) are into our 3rd month, but are waiting for ArcheAge to start then we're moving on...

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7/02/14 5:58:53 PM#146
When it 1st came out.  1 - 50 was one of the best mmo's I've ever played.  I still check on it from time 2 time.

"Change is the only constant."


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7/02/14 6:04:31 PM#147

You think only maybe thousands left? My guild of over 300 people was down to less then 40 after 2 months. I myself left after 3 months. To be more accurate probably hundreds of thousands have left.


The population decline from the 1st month to the 2nd and 3rd in Cyrodiil was the best way to judge how much of the active pvp community left. There was 2 full pop campagins for each faction and 1 campaign with med-high's in primetime. At 3 months not a single campaign could get a high population. Now the population caps have been lowered so no accurate info can be gathered compared to launch.


I was one of the 5% of players, guildies and friends, that I knew who defended this game post-launch and stuck with it. After 3 months of horrible patching and more and more game breaking issues I left.


The game will not die, but it will become SWTOR 2 in the essence of going f2p soon and having to fire 60% of it's staff making it incapable of doing anything besides minor patching and poor updates.


Dozens of MMO's, RTS's, FPS's, etc.


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7/02/14 6:21:33 PM#148
WHAT Would mmorpg be without your weekly dose of ESO Doom & Gloom thread....

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7/02/14 6:22:19 PM#149
It's a failure. I found the graphics ugly, the combat boring and the storyline lacking. Bring on the next SINGLE player Elder Scrolls. Wildstar shits on ESO to be honest.


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7/02/14 6:26:17 PM#150

This site is really trying to push ESO into a better light, just like they tried with Defiance back then.

Look where Defiance is'll find ESO in the same spot soon.


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7/02/14 6:40:32 PM#151

"ESO is a fantastic game, it has the best graphics that have ever been in a MMORPG, and the story lines far exceed any expectations that I had for it. Star Wars: The Old Republic did an amazing job with their story, but they didn’t have the emotion that ESO has, or the incredibly hard choices. I spent over 30 minutes starring at my screen trying to decide which option I wanted to pick for the main story line."


ESO--emotion? Best graphics in an MMORPG? Hard choices? 



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7/02/14 7:34:51 PM#152

ESO faceplanted at launch and never recovered. The game had so much potential and the push to get it out the door killed it. Corporate greed once again reared its ugly head.

It probably wouldn't have been so bad if the beta bugs that hundreds and hundreds of people reported had been fixed at launch, but they never were. Launch came and people saw exactly how much Zenimax cared for its customers.

Give us your money for early access and overpriced package deals that realistically gave you nothing, and go f**k yourselves...


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7/02/14 7:41:09 PM#153
Originally posted by david361107

first :) I played ESO in beta and loved the look, combat was good enough. Those of us that have yet to purchase are hearing this, no end game, makes us feel like what's the point of putting in the time?




I would say take the "no end game" with a grain of salt.  The only people complaining about it are those that skipped the content to get there.  If you actually are interested in playing the game the way it is designed (questing, listening to dialogue, completing zones,etc) then there is easily 2-3 months of content here before you arrive at VR12 having completed everything.

 To put this in perspective, the players who skip all of those things & just get in an xp grind group can arrive at VR12, having accomplished little else, in 2-3 days /played time.  Also, if large scale PvP interests you, it is really really good in ESO.


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7/02/14 7:46:28 PM#154
Originally posted by Nickhead420

What killed it for me was the lack of class balance.  I played a healing templar, the ONLY class with a full set of healing skills.  What do people roll with for healers?  Sorcerers and DKs with healing staves.  In most cases, they can heal just as well as a full healing specced templar, but at the same time can top templar DPS if that templar was doing pure damage.  Taking a sorc or DK for a healer is basically like taking a healer and an extra DPS in one character.

When thinking of a "Dragon Knight" most people would picture a warrior in the heaviest, coolest looking armor with massive melee weapons and shields.  What do DKs look like in ESO?  Cloth armor and staves...Yep, they look just like everyone else.

Don't get me wrong.  I don't plan on being done with the game.  I'm f***ing cheap.  And I invested $95 so far.  I'll get back to it at some point, but not before seeing some drastic changes to VR content.

On a side note though.  1-50 was possibly the most fun I've ever had leveling in an MMO.

This is pretty close to how I feel. I also rolled a Templar for the same reason.


I unsubbed just a few days ago, but it was mostly because I felt it was a more powerful statement than complaining in the official forums. I dislike the VR content a lot. I feel it is based on "fake" difficulty and is more tedious and irritating than challenging. Devs have said they are going to "look into it." I'm sure they will at some point.


My main reason for staying and playing is AvA. I could put up with a lot of stuff, but the thing that made me unsub was that every time they push out a patch, they seem to break more stuff than they fix. The last patch with the ambient lighting upgrade broke AvA for me. Yes, I'm on Wabbajack, otherwise known as Wabbalagg. This I will not pay $15 a month for. It is amateur. If they fix it I will consider coming back.




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7/02/14 7:54:48 PM#155
Originally posted by flclimax
it's dying faster than TSW did. lol @ niche, guess every game with at least 10 players has carved a niche. no, ESO is a flopped thempark MMO.

Pretty much this.  I was excited for and tried ESO because it was an Elder Scrolls game, which implied by pedigree that I'd get a multiplayer experience grounded in sandbox gameplay.  What I got was another WoW wannabe.  Fail.


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7/02/14 8:06:52 PM#156
Zenimax couldn't be assed to put EU servers in the EU, I couldn't be assed to sub to their game. I like the game but I've never experienced a first-time MMO developer more incompetent than they are.

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7/02/14 8:29:26 PM#157

personnaly i had originally planned on joining ESO, i ( like many others before me) player the bugged scrolls :skybugs. and loved the game play and thats what i expected from the eso game when it came out. 

i wasnt really expecting a UI like wow and a character creation table like SWG. my expectation of the game was to be a bit more like skyrim with the good ol: you got 2 hands? then you can only use 2 skills at the same time, left click and right click. THAT would have made me stay but the wowy UI and comabt UI just made this go right in the toilet IN MY OPINION, it does not represent the overall view of other players or those paid to say the game is train wreck worthy of miley cirus's singing skills. and personnaly those who wish to have a wowy game play go play wow you want to have fun in a REAL TIME fantasy environment and puke on those who only grind grind grind grind grind grind for end content and miss the enjoyment of the game....blergh. and im sure that retardestard will find a bugfix one day...when modders actually crack up the game and find the fixes themselves.

as always from nearly 15 yea\rs of playing mmorpgs and dungeon crawler i did consider the game would be buggy but the more i read the less im enthousaistic about it. and no its not a sideline way of bashing the game to another game  thats probably shittyer look cool (aka the shitty game entionned int he above comments from other people)

and the more i read the more i dont regret buying legendary edition over ESO even if eso is fixed majorly by modder instead of  Bethesda.


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7/02/14 8:30:08 PM#158
so damn true it made me shed a tear

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7/02/14 8:39:31 PM#159


@mothanos, i remember those days, god i didnt have hairs on my chin yet >,<

1996-2010 diablo1-2 ultima online everquest anarchy online wow THOSE games were made for players and FIXED! theres a bug? pop up : the game is going down bug found we are gonna fix sorry for teh delay. 4 hours later? the games back online the bugs fixed.

2002-2014 : theres a bug ? gtfo of the complaints room and quit your whining. once youre done  with it just give up another idiot will take your place



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7/02/14 8:54:41 PM#160

I played for about 60 days - two things killed it for me --- Grind of the VR Ranks - you can only take so much story and questing  (even if it is some of the best story quests in an MMO ) and the PVP.

As  a gamer, I need an outlet for some quick PVP Fun and the campaign wasn't the answer (as stated -- you are cannon fodder pre VR, not to mention the horrible class balance DK- VAMPS (felt like Twilight out there), and it was pretty much who can run over who -- no 1x1's, 2x2's, 3x.3's - mini battlegrounds, etc). 

I could mention more -- but in summary -- if they had at least gave us some variety in PVP and an outlet to have 15 minutes of fun (arenas, CTF, ) in smaller PVP venues, wouldn't say I the rest was in place to keep me a year, but I would have stuck around much longer  to see if they correct the balance issues and added more end game content.

All in all, I think it might have it's niche, wish them the best, but for the PVP oriented player (at least me and everyone I knew playing the game ) -- it doesn't seem headed anytime soon in the right direction.




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