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General Discussion  » Criminal charges for cheating: just punishment or just too far?

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  Robokapp

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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

6/25/14 4:36:00 PM#121
Originally posted by Crusades
Absolute waste of public resources. It's video games, it doesn't matter.

generates jobs and revenue. It sure matters.

  LeGrosGamerV2

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6/25/14 4:45:00 PM#122
  The EULA is meant to be respected, the problem is that most Devs don't back it up and let people bot / cheat at will with out consequences.  Good job on Nexon and let's hope this jump starts a series of events that will start cleansing the plague we currently have in our gaming world. 
  NeoTiger13

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6/25/14 4:47:50 PM#123

I'm of the mind we need to keep laying on the punishments to the gen-y's (teenagers and 20 somethings) as they feel entitled to anything and everything and then they also have the personal protection of "victim syndrome" that if they can't get something they simply want, they are the victims. 

 

There's no way to fix that other then to punish...probably one of the main reasons I went into Human Resources for a major in college lol.

  Velocinox

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6/25/14 4:58:08 PM#124

Whatever gives more power to the corporation over the individual is good in my book...

 

I mean what harm could come of that?

'Sandbox MMO' is a PTSD trigger word for anyone who has the experience to know that anonymous players invariably use a 'sandbox' in the same manner a housecat does.


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  NeoTiger13

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6/25/14 5:01:21 PM#125
Originally posted by cheyane

The same way Apple is trying to enforce their copyright in Korea for companies to succeed they have to sue in the countries where the botters,cheaters live and if the laws of that country allow for criminal prosecution it is something that companies can pursue. This is the reason these types of things are relevant even if it is not something that will fly in the USA that does not mean American companies cannot pursue these remedies.

 

If all else fails once the industry is big enough you have the US government negotiating with China to reduce piracy. So tell me how much money is the US gaming online worth to the US government . Is it enough for the clout that Apple has ?

 

If you mean that there's no "U.S." effort to combat china and its gold/account sellers, you are dead wrong.

 

Anon regularly houses meetups to attack asian websites that sell gold and to gain their account information.

 

Go into TOR, Anon will constantly tell you that the chinese underground market continues to try to infiltrate the western markets.

  Lanfea

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6/25/14 5:10:49 PM#126
its interesting that a company like nexon does see cheating as a criminal act. a company with a lot p2w games in their portfolio. p2w in online games is similar to f.e. doping in sports. you spend money to be better than your competitors. sudden attack is such a p2w game and the question should be, who is the bigger criminal? some kids who are merely a pain in the ass or the company, which makes millions with fraud?
  Rylah

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6/25/14 5:17:49 PM#127
Originally posted by Dakeru
The harsher the better. Botters and cheaters should be treated like criminals.

Because cheating in an online game of animated pixels is totally comparable to stealing, robbing, maiming, hurting, raping and killing in real life?

 

  Loktofeit

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OP  6/25/14 5:22:04 PM#128
Originally posted by Solar_Prophet

As for the topic at hand, I just have two questions: What the hell are you smoking, and where can I get some? Suing people for cheating in an online game? The only way I could see that being feasible is if there's documented proof of said cheating resulting in a significant loss of revenue for the company, and by significant I mean in the millions. Even then, I would only consider it justified if said cheating was accomplished via compromising the integrity of either company-owned servers, or the client security of other users. Exploiting a bug or using an aimbot? Hell no.

No one is being sued. 

Proving loss of revenue applies to civil cases, not criminal cases. For a criminal case, they only have to prove that a law was broken. 

 

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  NeoTiger13

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6/25/14 5:31:25 PM#129
Originally posted by Rylah
Originally posted by Dakeru
The harsher the better. Botters and cheaters should be treated like criminals.

Because cheating in an online game of animated pixels is totally comparable to stealing, robbing, maiming, hurting, raping and killing in real life?

 

So because a bully picks on a kid that can't defend himself, he should be punished? If the guy could defend himself the bully shouldn't be punished?

 

 

  Dakeru

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6/25/14 5:33:45 PM#130
Originally posted by Rylah
Originally posted by Dakeru
The harsher the better. Botters and cheaters should be treated like criminals.

Because cheating in an online game of animated pixels is totally comparable to stealing, robbing, maiming, hurting, raping and killing in real life?

 

Hey good thing you put words in my mouth.

I totally had in mind punishing them the same way as punishing a rapist.

  NeoTiger13

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6/25/14 5:34:58 PM#131
Originally posted by Dakeru
Originally posted by Rylah
Originally posted by Dakeru
The harsher the better. Botters and cheaters should be treated like criminals.

Because cheating in an online game of animated pixels is totally comparable to stealing, robbing, maiming, hurting, raping and killing in real life?

 

Hey good thing you put words in my mouth.

I totally had in mind punishing them the same way as punishing a rapist.

With a plunger broke in half and stuck...

 

(Yes, I did some time in county and someone managed to piss me off and it was worth the extra time since he now poos in a tube roflmao.)

  Calex

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6/25/14 5:38:32 PM#132
They should whip the little bastards.
  Zeddakis

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6/25/14 5:48:55 PM#133

I don't care if they sue them, but this is a civil matter and not a criminal matter. No one should be going to jail for this mainly, because that forces tax payers to have to pay to keep them in jail. 

My tax dollars get wasted on a lot of things and that doesn't need to now include some raging teenager who cheated at CoD.

  daltanious

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6/25/14 6:08:01 PM#134
Originally posted by Dakeru
The harsher the better. Botters and cheaters should be treated like criminals.

Agree fully with you. Like cheating in casino or with cards ... there after cought them they would call police.

  Cor4x

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6/25/14 6:30:31 PM#135

I honestly can't tell if you guys are being serious or kidding around.

I mean, do you people understand the difference between criminal and tort cases?

Do you not understand how blindingly stupid you're being?

Do you not know how many hundreds of thousands of hours of thinking went into our current system of laws?

Are none of you insulted that someone wants life imprisonment, death, or torture for cheating in a VIDEO GAME?

You want to be victimized your entire life?

None of this makes any sense ... at all.

 

  Velocinox

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6/25/14 7:07:57 PM#136
Originally posted by Cor4x

I honestly can't tell if you guys are being serious or kidding around.

I mean, do you people understand the difference between criminal and tort cases?

Do you not understand how blindingly stupid you're being?

Do you not know how many hundreds of thousands of hours of thinking went into our current system of laws?

Are none of you insulted that someone wants life imprisonment, death, or torture for cheating in a VIDEO GAME?

You want to be victimized your entire life?

None of this makes any sense ... at all.

 

Welcome to the difference between justice and revenge.

'Sandbox MMO' is a PTSD trigger word for anyone who has the experience to know that anonymous players invariably use a 'sandbox' in the same manner a housecat does.


No game is more fun than the one you can't play, and no game is more boring than the one you've become familiar with.


How to become a millionaire:
Start with a billion dollars and make an MMO.

  seafirex

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6/25/14 7:27:27 PM#137

Actually yes they should go to jail, seriously also. They make those business lose so much money by cheating or hacking or botting or selling gold, and they know far well that it is not legal to do so. 

If you don't understand why they lose money here is a hint : lose players because those players are tired of always playing with hackers or botters or gold sellers = lost of revenue or some times a full shut down of a business = not legal.

If you can't understand that then you need to go learn a few things about life. Because this is far more serious then to steal a chocolate bar at the store. 

So yes they should get a criminal record and even do time for all the lost of profit. That will serve them right.

  Baitness

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6/25/14 7:30:57 PM#138
I really like the idea of pressing charges for cheating.  Any amount of cheating directly hurts their business.  Would you continue to play a game where hackers were ruining your experience?  I have seen a few arguments about why people cheat, but in the end, cheating in a multiplayer game seems to be at the expense of the other players.  I think it is very reasonable to press charges in the same way you would want to press charges against someone who is harassing people that try to come into your business.
  Loktofeit

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OP  6/25/14 7:40:17 PM#139
Originally posted by Zeddakis

I don't care if they sue them, but this is a civil matter and not a criminal matter. No one should be going to jail for this mainly, because that forces tax payers to have to pay to keep them in jail. 

My tax dollars get wasted on a lot of things and that doesn't need to now include some raging teenager who cheated at CoD.

If it is in violation of local/regional laws then it is criminal, not civil. And where in the article did it say anything about jail?  Don't worry, your tax dollars are safe. You are paying taxes in Japan, right? 

 

 

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  Quizzical

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6/25/14 7:43:47 PM#140
Originally posted by Jacxolope
Originally posted by Quizzical
Whether criminal charges for cheating are reasonable depends on how you're cheating.  For exploiting a bug that exists in the game, no.  For launching a denial of service attack or hacking into a company's servers to steal data, yes.

Fair enough...I think most everyone would agree.

Actual hacking and DDOS'ing would already be illegal and we need to place more funding into stopping the scourge of online crime that we currently have rather than add new crime when the old internet crime isnt even being dealt with properly.

Putting resources into actual online crime like hacking, identity theft and scams from Nigeria would be a good start. These are already illegal and yet we are spread so thin that we cannot enforce the problems we have currently.

Adding more problems to an already taxed out system is incredibly foolish especially when the company in question could use their own resources to deal with their own issues.

The problem is that that enforcing national laws against online crimes is often impractical.  Suppose some hacker breaks into your stuff and steals stuff from you, and it can be traced exactly who did it--but it's someone in a foreign country whose government doesn't mind if you get hacked.  Then what?

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