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  timmy12

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OP  6/15/14 3:44:11 PM#1

Alright guys i need some opinions on this build, im buying it in 2 weeks so just seeing if its good enough for the price or not.

 

Also does anyone know the best case to get for around 50-100 $? 

 

Vid Card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487007

PS- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139012

Ram- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311

Motherboard- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132118

Processor- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117372

Fan- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118223

Case - ?

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  Quizzical

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6/15/14 5:46:49 PM#2

The glaring flaw is the memory.  I could understand getting 1333 MHz memory if you were getting a substantial discount for the reduced speed, but you're not.  You're paying a substantial premium over 1600 MHz memory.  For example:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313355

Or even if it's G.Skill Ripjaws in particular that you're looking for, the 1600 MHz version is cheaper than the 1333 MHz version:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314

Personally, I'd probably go with this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104468

1866 MHz from a good brand (Kingston, though the page mysteriously hides it) for $70.

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If you want the fastest single GPU card on the market, a GeForce GTX 780 Ti is it.  But it's a lot more expensive than a Radeon R9 290X, in spite of not being much faster.  For example:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127773

$530, before a $30 rebate.

  timmy12

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Joined: 9/05/05
Posts: 395

 
OP  6/15/14 6:08:13 PM#3
Originally posted by Quizzical

The glaring flaw is the memory.  I could understand getting 1333 MHz memory if you were getting a substantial discount for the reduced speed, but you're not.  You're paying a substantial premium over 1600 MHz memory.  For example:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313355

Or even if it's G.Skill Ripjaws in particular that you're looking for, the 1600 MHz version is cheaper than the 1333 MHz version:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314

Personally, I'd probably go with this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104468

1866 MHz from a good brand (Kingston, though the page mysteriously hides it) for $70.

-----

If you want the fastest single GPU card on the market, a GeForce GTX 780 Ti is it.  But it's a lot more expensive than a Radeon R9 290X, in spite of not being much faster.  For example:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127773

$530, before a $30 rebate.

 

So those are the only things you would fix? hmmm well idk about the radeon tho i personally dont like anything ati, with all the problems i had in the past kinda made me never wanna get something from ati again. 

What case do u think i should get for the best air flow?

"Cons: Software drivers are terrible, continually crashes, amd catalyst takes 10 years to load and regularly crashes after every setting change. Don't plan on crossfire, causes crashes, luckily you can use them independent for two separate monitors. Runs great with third party drivers in linux"

This is from one of the reviews, pretty much the problems that i had when i previously owned other ati cards

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  Ridelynn

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Joined: 12/19/10
Posts: 3658

6/15/14 8:15:00 PM#4


Originally posted by timmy12

"Cons: Software drivers are terrible, continually crashes, amd catalyst takes 10 years to load and regularly crashes after every setting change. Don't plan on crossfire, causes crashes, luckily you can use them independent for two separate monitors. Runs great with third party drivers in linux"

This is from one of the reviews, pretty much the problems that i had when i previously owned other ati cards


Likely written by someone working for nVidia - ATI is now "AMD" - it's not been ATI for a long time. The drivers are on par with nVidia's drivers, and have been pretty much since it became AMD.

Ironically, the only part of that statement that even looks remotely "good" is the part about Linux - AMD does have rather poor Linux drivers - and that's pretty much what makes me think some shill wrote it.

  kinart

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Joined: 4/18/12
Posts: 105

6/15/14 8:22:10 PM#5
Yes go play The Lord of the Rings: War in the North with an ATI... no issues at all, just "guys that work for nvidia"...
  Quizzical

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Posts: 13787

6/15/14 9:02:45 PM#6
Originally posted by timmy12
Originally posted by Quizzical

The glaring flaw is the memory.  I could understand getting 1333 MHz memory if you were getting a substantial discount for the reduced speed, but you're not.  You're paying a substantial premium over 1600 MHz memory.  For example:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313355

Or even if it's G.Skill Ripjaws in particular that you're looking for, the 1600 MHz version is cheaper than the 1333 MHz version:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314

Personally, I'd probably go with this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104468

1866 MHz from a good brand (Kingston, though the page mysteriously hides it) for $70.

-----

If you want the fastest single GPU card on the market, a GeForce GTX 780 Ti is it.  But it's a lot more expensive than a Radeon R9 290X, in spite of not being much faster.  For example:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127773

$530, before a $30 rebate.

 

So those are the only things you would fix? hmmm well idk about the radeon tho i personally dont like anything ati, with all the problems i had in the past kinda made me never wanna get something from ati again. 

What case do u think i should get for the best air flow?

"Cons: Software drivers are terrible, continually crashes, amd catalyst takes 10 years to load and regularly crashes after every setting change. Don't plan on crossfire, causes crashes, luckily you can use them independent for two separate monitors. Runs great with third party drivers in linux"

This is from one of the reviews, pretty much the problems that i had when i previously owned other ati cards

There are three negative reviews of the card that I linked.  Two are by people who didn't buy it on New Egg, one of which makes it clear that he didn't buy that card at all and just wants to rant about MSI.  The third switched to basically the same card but from Sapphire instead of MSI.  If you're worried about the particular MSI card, then there are plenty of other Radeon R9 290X cards from other vendors also under $600.

Ultimately, it's your money.  I would rate a GeForce GTX 780 Ti as being a little better than a Radeon R9 290X.  But only a little better and not a lot better--and not $150 worth of better unless $150 isn't that much to you.

Of course, if you decide to overclock a video card, you can make any card behave strangely that way.

  timmy12

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Joined: 9/05/05
Posts: 395

 
OP  6/15/14 9:24:07 PM#7
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by timmy12
Originally posted by Quizzical

The glaring flaw is the memory.  I could understand getting 1333 MHz memory if you were getting a substantial discount for the reduced speed, but you're not.  You're paying a substantial premium over 1600 MHz memory.  For example:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313355

Or even if it's G.Skill Ripjaws in particular that you're looking for, the 1600 MHz version is cheaper than the 1333 MHz version:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314

Personally, I'd probably go with this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104468

1866 MHz from a good brand (Kingston, though the page mysteriously hides it) for $70.

-----

If you want the fastest single GPU card on the market, a GeForce GTX 780 Ti is it.  But it's a lot more expensive than a Radeon R9 290X, in spite of not being much faster.  For example:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127773

$530, before a $30 rebate.

 

So those are the only things you would fix? hmmm well idk about the radeon tho i personally dont like anything ati, with all the problems i had in the past kinda made me never wanna get something from ati again. 

What case do u think i should get for the best air flow?

"Cons: Software drivers are terrible, continually crashes, amd catalyst takes 10 years to load and regularly crashes after every setting change. Don't plan on crossfire, causes crashes, luckily you can use them independent for two separate monitors. Runs great with third party drivers in linux"

This is from one of the reviews, pretty much the problems that i had when i previously owned other ati cards

There are three negative reviews of the card that I linked.  Two are by people who didn't buy it on New Egg, one of which makes it clear that he didn't buy that card at all and just wants to rant about MSI.  The third switched to basically the same card but from Sapphire instead of MSI.  If you're worried about the particular MSI card, then there are plenty of other Radeon R9 290X cards from other vendors also under $600.

Ultimately, it's your money.  I would rate a GeForce GTX 780 Ti as being a little better than a Radeon R9 290X.  But only a little better and not a lot better--and not $150 worth of better unless $150 isn't that much to you.

Of course, if you decide to overclock a video card, you can make any card behave strangely that way.

Well if im willing to spend 750 on a card or w/e isnt there any better radeon cards that are way better then the one u linkd for the same price as the 780 ti?

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  Quizzical

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6/15/14 10:04:31 PM#8
Originally posted by timmy12

Well if im willing to spend 750 on a card or w/e isnt there any better radeon cards that are way better then the one u linkd for the same price as the 780 ti?

Nope.  The top bin of the top GPU chip is however fast it is.  With Nvidia willing to go larger than AMD on die size, that usually results in Nvidia having the fastest single GPU card of a generation.  Sometimes AMD has the fastest card for some months after moving to a new process node that Nvidia hasn't gotten to yet, but that's not the situation today as they've been building cards at 28 nm for more than two years now.

  Ridelynn

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Joined: 12/19/10
Posts: 3658

6/16/14 2:46:20 AM#9


Originally posted by kinart
Yes go play The Lord of the Rings: War in the North with an ATI... no issues at all, just "guys that work for nvidia"...

I have a 6970, and I have LotR:War in the North.

I admit I haven't played the game through, but I've played it, and I didn't notice anything glaring.

And even if I did, it would hardly be the first time one isolated title had a problem with one GPU vendor.

  Cleffy

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6/16/14 3:14:12 AM#10

I would change the CPU cooler to something with black fins like these:
EVGA 100-FS-C901-KR 92mm Sleeve mITX ACX CPU Cooler, Direct Touch 4 Heat Pipe - $44.99
ZALMAN CNPS9900MAX-B 135mm Long life bearing CPU Cooler Blue LED - $49.99
Getting the color closer to black will allow for radiative cooling of 1-5 watts. Which is miniscule, but if you are spending extra for a CPU cooler and not buying a water-cooling setup, you might as well go the extra mile in the same price range with black cooling fins.

For your GPU, it really just depends on your application. Even I winced when I saw the $700 GPU. But to put it in context the 290X ranges in prices from $500 - $700. The MSI I would have suggested would have been closer to that $700 because the 290X could use a good cooler that it offers.
So I think it really depends on what applications you are using it in. If you were using the computer for mostly Windows PC gaming, then I would go for the AMD. If I was using Blender 3D, or was on a Linux Distro I would use the NVidia. Purely in context of performance, the 780 will perform marginally better in games, and the AMD will perform better in GPGPU functionality. The AMD probably also offer the better set of available features for this price range. I would think you would opt for 3 monitors before you opt for stereoscopic.
If we are talking purely drivers, AMDs drivers are better and have been since 2009.

If we are talking about case. First get a case that fits all your equipment. This means fits mobo, fits CPU cooler, and fits GPU length. Then think about how much case do you need. If you can afford the space I typically would always go for a full tower just because space = better cooling. But typically most go smaller due to lack of space and money. On cases I have had tremendous luck with Rosewill cases. I don't use them for my PC since I like something that looks really gaudy, but for PCs I built for other people, the Rosewills have been excellent to work with.

  kinart

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6/16/14 6:29:54 PM#11
Originally posted by Ridelynn

 


Originally posted by kinart
Yes go play The Lord of the Rings: War in the North with an ATI... no issues at all, just "guys that work for nvidia"...

 

I have a 6970, and I have LotR:War in the North.

I admit I haven't played the game through, but I've played it, and I didn't notice anything glaring.

And even if I did, it would hardly be the first time one isolated title had a problem with one GPU vendor.

You ll just won't be able to finish the game, that's all. A "guy that works for nvidia" pops up and kills you constantly.

  syntax42

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6/17/14 8:43:18 AM#12
Originally posted by Cleffy

I would change the CPU cooler to something with black fins like these:
EVGA 100-FS-C901-KR 92mm Sleeve mITX ACX CPU Cooler, Direct Touch 4 Heat Pipe - $44.99
ZALMAN CNPS9900MAX-B 135mm Long life bearing CPU Cooler Blue LED - $49.99
Getting the color closer to black will allow for radiative cooling of 1-5 watts. Which is miniscule, but if you are spending extra for a CPU cooler and not buying a water-cooling setup, you might as well go the extra mile in the same price range with black cooling fins.

The first fan linked is smaller than some so it can fit in mini-ITX cases.  It won't have as great of heat dissipation as the fan the OP picked.  Being painted black won't make up the difference.  The second fan is aluminum and isn't anodized or even painted black.  The heat dissipation will be nearly identical to the copper version.

I have personally used the Zalman fan the OP linked.  The design is nice, aesthetically.  The functionality has two flaws.  First, the heat pipes don't touch the CPU die directly.  The second flaw is that the heatsink has too much wiggle room after securing it to the CPU die.  It can be rotated slightly, which indicates it isn't as secure as it should be.

For inexpensive air cooling, it is hard to beat the Hyper Evo 212.  It has direct heat pipe contact and costs about $30.  The performance matches that of $100 coolers, but the noise is slightly more than more expensive coolers.  I don't notice the CPU fan over the GPU fan noise on my system, so it doesn't bother me, but I do wear headphones.

If the OP wants to go for the $100 range on coolers, I don't think air cooling is worth that much.  At that price point, you may as well get a closed-loop water system.

  akiira69

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6/17/14 9:00:13 AM#13
Just what ever you do, do not use Mineral Oil as a form of Cooling. It is completely disgusting.

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