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6/09/14 6:09:39 PM#41
I totally agree with this list.

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

6/09/14 6:15:40 PM#42

I agree vanilla FFXI should definitely be in there MUCH harder than EQ1 but i guess in some ways EQ1 was similar to FFXI but not as much depth.

I have played most every game except i only lasted one day in DAOC and could not stand it at all,it looked badly dated as well so i can't really say if DAOC was hard or not.The rest however are not hard but also not good enough that i would want to delve myself deep into the games.

The only thing tough about DF was the aiming ,the rest was just cumbersome old mechanics.

No matter MMORPG is allowed their opinions just like the rest of us,imo it is more a check back to older gaming but in a lot of ways it makes sense as newer games are just run around chasing yellow markers.
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6/09/14 6:20:58 PM#43
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Originally posted by Crusades
Aeon - wow wasn't always casual, the shift occurred once the lawyers and psychiatrists got involved and forced the game to be more casual friendly or face steep penalties in lawsuits every time someone that plays it flips their wig.

Agreed, I enjoyed WoW up until MoP. I feel that LFR has cheapened the experience of the game and it felt like I was treading water at end game rather than doing anything meaningful. No one cares if you clear heroics anymore because they are perfectly happy doing it on LFR or Flex. There is no sense of achievement or awe associated with the game any more which is one reason why I think it's losing subs.

That's not necessarily true at all, if you don't have normal cleared and heroic either cleared or decent boss progression on a raid before the next one comes out I look down on you.  MoP had some amazing heroic raid content in my opinion, now WoD needs to just launch already so we can stop the 30 years of siege. 

Don't confuse the casuals of WoW with the hardcore community, there's millions of players because every type of player has something for them.  




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6/09/14 6:38:19 PM#44

I will never get over EQ; so many fond memories. I miss building faction with a race that normally hates your race/class to unlock quests that lead to awesome gear: i.e. Slaying the initially friendly Coldain Dwarves to build rep with the Frost Giants in Velious etc.

WoW has something like this but nothing like what was required in EQ.


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6/09/14 6:46:42 PM#45
Originally posted by Crusades
I'm surprised WoW didn't make it

It didn't make it because WoW is probably the most casual MMO on the market, and always has been.

You can play a casual MMORPG like it's a job, but it doesn't make it hardcore.


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6/09/14 6:49:36 PM#46

This is a fairly accurate list. Except for the end.


With the exception of Eve and Darkfall, these MMORPGs are not still around.

Dark Age of Camelot has been WoWified to hell and back, it doesn't even remotely resemble what it used to be.

Ultima Online added elves and samurai and stripped all the hardcore features out a long time back. This game no longer resembles the world of Ultima, nor the hardcore style it used to be.

EverQuest has been chipping away immersion for convenience every year since its release, and eventually crossed the threshhold where I wouldn't call it hardcore anymore.



But yes, Darkfall and Eve are both fantastic.


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6/09/14 7:01:06 PM#47

I'm fine with the top 3. I would probably put AC and FFXI over darkfall and daoc, even if daoc is my all time favorite and could be hardcore. There are probably a lot of games that were similar levels of "hardcore" that could be interchangeable. 

I only remember a little of Anarchy Online, how "hardcore" was that one? I remember all those damn levels and it being pretty intense at times, but I was more focused on other games.

Hmm, started thinking of 10, not in particular order although close to being 1-10:

Eve, UO, EQ, AC, FFXI, darkfall, daoc, L2, AO, maybe WoW as number 10. Defiitely the others over it, maybe more, but I just can't remember any more older ones atm. The difference between those first 9 and WoW is pretty big though in terms of being hardcore.


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6/09/14 7:01:29 PM#48
Ok... how the hell did Shadowbane missed the cut for this piece again???

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6/09/14 8:03:03 PM#49
Good to see a list I can agree with completely for a change. Other mmorpgs mentioned above are hardcore, but just outside that top 5.

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6/09/14 8:17:31 PM#50
L1/L2 were definitely more hardcore than EQ or DAOC and are definitely top 5.

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6/09/14 9:23:17 PM#51
Originally posted by Wizardry

I agree vanilla FFXI should definitely be in there MUCH harder than EQ1 but i guess in some ways EQ1 was similar to FFXI but not as much depth.


I agree with FFXI also.  Played it for 4 years then took a break to try WOW.  I was able to do in 3 weeks of WOW, what I hadn't done in 4 years of FFXI (maxing out everything on one character including crafting, stupid royal jelly lol) needless to say after that went back to FFXI as I felt a sense of accomplishment in FFXI.  WOW just felt too easy and too many kids arguing over who got/deserved what drop.


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6/09/14 11:39:33 PM#52
Wow isn't hardcore sorry

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6/09/14 11:46:14 PM#53

Tried Dark age of Camelot..Holy fk that sucks.

If you can't have graphics like Warcraft ,why bother.


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6/10/14 12:01:15 AM#54

Originally posted by Azzudyen
I do not see how WoW can be #3 on Casual list and then turn around and be in top 5 of Hardcore list. Maybe a definition of Casual and Hardcore needed to be explained.

It can't because there is no such thing but people still try.


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6/10/14 5:17:47 AM#55

And one again... no one remember Neocron...

EVE in hardcore top list ahahahah you r very funny ! (and that's sad for the mmo world futur...)


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6/10/14 6:07:08 AM#56

I agree with the most of this but eve ? There are so many games more hardcore than eve online such as conan or the secret world. 


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6/10/14 6:26:40 AM#57

I agree UO was really hardcore before Trammel comming, and also very fun !

I also like EVE Online but it's only half hardcore.

And to say a mmo is hardcore you really need to loose a lot when you die, not just XP, or money, or time.


There is also another 2 games that can really be called "Hardcore MMO"

  • Realm of the Mad God : when you die you loose your character, the stuff, the skills.
  • Gangs of Space : The only mmo where you can loose everything, but it's only in Alpha, and it's a indie MMO.

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6/10/14 6:42:41 AM#58
Great list, but you forgot mortal online.

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6/10/14 6:51:39 AM#59
Hmm, wouldn't call any of those MMOs "hardcore". They all can be played casually if you desire to do so. But I don't believe in this hardcore/casual seperation anyway.

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6/10/14 7:22:10 AM#60
wow... difficult?
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