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  Incomparable

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Joined: 3/11/11
Posts: 742

5/28/14 1:37:33 PM#21

In retrospect I would say starting swtor now instead of at launch would be a lot better (housing and completionist items while starting- and better space game). So if swtor can offer a better experience to new players than players starting at launch, then it can be true for many other games including ESO, and WS which i know little about in its current state.

So, waiting is a wise thing to do for any game really, including single players... but it might be like a movie, that a certain hype makes the movie less enjoyable when not in going out to the movies mode... similar to new game with everyone mode or something of the sort that makes it more enjoyable. Yet, also for launch, its wise for the devs to make sure its not in beta when they launch of course or it hurts their game... so avoicing launch of games to avoid bugs and miss out on the hype should not be a reason unless the market dictates such unfortunate perceptions.

Swtor did not have any bugs (excluding OPs/FPs), but lacked retention to continue their huge plans and shifted their development around which affected the develpoment of the game and its players caught in the middle (better for those after it was sorted out)... nonetheless to a new player its a solid themepark for the good and bad things that make it a themepark.

So... again, waiting can be a good thing... but miss out on the hype while playing since WS also has player housing from the beginning ... so starting later wont mean you avoid what happened at swtor for those that began and are expected to collect trophies or what not depending on how they do player housing/exploration/completion of content several months/years after finishing thier alts.

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  Nanfoodle

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5/28/14 1:38:48 PM#22

Carbine fans have been asking them to Market more. By far this is the most under marketed tripple A MMO I have seen. The list to features in this game is mind blowing. I have not seen this much content in 15 years on a new MMO. Why they didnt yell this on the roof tops I dont know lol

 

EDIT: Whats in the game...

  • Veteran Dungeons and Adventures
  • Open World Bosses
  • 20 man raids
  • 40 man raids
  • 80 man raid for final weapon Imbuements
  • 2v2, 3v3, 5v5 Arenas
  • Battlegrounds
  • Warplots (Battle housing including the ability to summon bosses to fight with you)
  • Paths (Reasons to do additional content of your choosing)
  • A crafting system with talents and specializations within a chosen craft
  • Story line that can be done solo, that takes you through the raid dungeons and gives you more lore detail than actually doing the raid.
  • Elder solo story unlocked level 50 that going to be updated to keep solo gamers playing
  • Shiphands (Solo dungeon runs you can bring friends on)
  • Zone events
P.S. Thanks Kaladin for making this list.
  PulsarMan

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Joined: 5/20/09
Posts: 186

5/28/14 1:41:00 PM#23
Keep an eye out, see how things go during / post launch. I'm picking it up, but I'm advising most of my friends to just wait and see how things pan out. 
  kikosforever

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Joined: 5/02/14
Posts: 397

5/28/14 1:48:35 PM#24
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Carbine fans have been asking them to Market more. By far this is the most under marketed tripple A MMO I have seen. The list to features in this game is mind blowing. I have not seen this much content in 15 years on a new MMO. Why they didnt yell this on the roof tops I dont know lol

 

EDIT: Whats in the game...

  • Veteran Dungeons and Adventures
  • Open World Bosses
  • 20 man raids
  • 40 man raids
  • 80 man raid for final weapon Imbuements
  • 2v2, 3v3, 5v5 Arenas
  • Battlegrounds
  • Warplots (Battle housing including the ability to summon bosses to fight with you)
  • Paths (Reasons to do additional content of your choosing)
  • A crafting system with talents and specializations within a chosen craft
  • Story line that can be done solo, that takes you through the raid dungeons and gives you more lore detail than actually doing the raid.
  • Elder solo story unlocked level 50 that going to be updated to keep solo gamers playing
  • Shiphands (Solo dungeon runs you can bring friends on)
  • Zone events

P.S. Thanks Kaladin for making this list.

 

Because they dont actually need to do it.

They are experienced developers and they know that putting money on things like voice overs, cinematics etc are a big waste and you can see this by watching the failure of ESO. They (and me) think that the full budget must go where the REAL game is and this is content and content is where WS rules.

They don't need to spent more money to advertise the product, at least more than they already did. Game will be self advertised by the fans and the raiding guilds, when they start streaming and spread the word by mouth.

Many hardcore and well known guilds and players are heading to WS and believe me they are the best advertisement a mmo could get :)

  Destai

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Joined: 8/31/09
Posts: 483

5/28/14 1:48:48 PM#25

I'm really taken aback by the cynicism the MMO community exhibits. Wildstar addresses many of the common complaints - no end game, lack of meaningful crafting, lack of housing, lack of both casual and hardcore content. The only complaint it doesn't address - questing - is irrelevant anyways. Then we get games like ESO that come out, which was rightly bashed for being a shallow mess,and all of a sudden no one wants a new mmo? Not even if it was what was being asked for years ago? Every single games out and we hear the same complaints. If you can't support this game then don't complain about the f2p shit that keeps seeping out of every dev's ass, with pay restrictions around every corner. It's games like this and Guild Wars 2 that give players something they actually asked for and it turns out, nope I'm bored. 

So in short, OP, it's you. What exactly do you want? Please tell me.

Current MMOs: Wildstar, Guild Wars 2, the Secret World, World of Warcraft

Past Loves: Guild Wars, Lord of the Rings Online, Everquest

  Destai

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Joined: 8/31/09
Posts: 483

5/28/14 1:49:56 PM#26
Originally posted by kikosforever
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Carbine fans have been asking them to Market more. By far this is the most under marketed tripple A MMO I have seen. The list to features in this game is mind blowing. I have not seen this much content in 15 years on a new MMO. Why they didnt yell this on the roof tops I dont know lol

 

Because they dont actually need to do it.

They are experienced developers and they know that putting money on things like voice overs, cinematics etc are a big waste and you can see this by watching the failure of ESO. They (and me) think that the full budget must go where the REAL game is and this is content and content is where WS rules.

They don't need to spent more money to advertise the product, at least more than they already did. Game will be self advertised by the fans and the raiding guilds, when they start streaming and spread the word by mouth.

Many hardcore and well known guilds and players are heading to WS and believe me they are the best advertisement a mmo could get :)

I'm really hoping the lack of hype translates into less fickle players in the game. I want players that actually care about the game in it, not the latest horde of content locusts.

Current MMOs: Wildstar, Guild Wars 2, the Secret World, World of Warcraft

Past Loves: Guild Wars, Lord of the Rings Online, Everquest

  onidius

Novice Member

Joined: 5/28/14
Posts: 9

5/28/14 1:55:48 PM#27
Originally posted by Nanfoodle

Carbine fans have been asking them to Market more. By far this is the most under marketed tripple A MMO I have seen. The list to features in this game is mind blowing. I have not seen this much content in 15 years on a new MMO. Why they didnt yell this on the roof tops I dont know lol

 

EDIT: Whats in the game...

  • Veteran Dungeons and Adventures
  • Open World Bosses
  • 20 man raids
  • 40 man raids
  • 80 man raid for final weapon Imbuements
  • 2v2, 3v3, 5v5 Arenas
  • Battlegrounds
  • Warplots (Battle housing including the ability to summon bosses to fight with you)
  • Paths (Reasons to do additional content of your choosing)
  • A crafting system with talents and specializations within a chosen craft
  • Story line that can be done solo, that takes you through the raid dungeons and gives you more lore detail than actually doing the raid.
  • Elder solo story unlocked level 50 that going to be updated to keep solo gamers playing
  • Shiphands (Solo dungeon runs you can bring friends on)
  • Zone events
P.S. Thanks Kaladin for making this list.

 

Veteran Dungeons and Adventures are basically the max level version of the previous dungeons and adventures you've done.

Doesn't a lot of games have open world bosses/events in one form or another? 

80 man raid? Yeah no thanks waiting 2 hours just to get the raid together, with a game that tout its hardcoreness, I doubt they're gonna pug. 

Paths: the most annoying in the game, not to mention the ridiculous challenge crap they throw at you.

Elder story is just more questing and events, nothing new (Like wow dailies). 

Shiphands is just boring... no offense.

  ElirionLoth

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Joined: 8/20/12
Posts: 156

5/28/14 1:56:47 PM#28
Originally posted by kikosforever
Originally posted by Knotwood
I think what you are probably feeling is what I'm feeling from wildstar, that it should be a free to play game and its hard to buy something your not excited about to the degree a sub based game would make you feel.   Nothing kills a hype train faster then a sub on a F2P type game.

 

Yes, i know what you mean. I felt the same for ESO and its the reason that in less than a month almost every1 abandoned it.

That's interesting.  Almost everyone abandoned ESO?  My son and I are playing it.  My other son just introduced me to someone he works with who plays ESO.  I have no trouble finding groups.  There are people running around in game everywhere I go.  Where are you getting your information from?  The posters on this site?  The hipsters here who think every new game that comes out is crap?  Please, enlighten us with this information.

  AwDiddums

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Joined: 6/09/12
Posts: 370

5/28/14 2:03:45 PM#29
Originally posted by Xssiv

Regardless of how many times I've gotten burned, I've always been willing to give every new MMO a decent shot at launch.  

 

While I've gone into many MMO's with unrealistic expectations, over the years I've learned that most games will probably only give me a couple of weeks of enjoyment before I go back to my normal rotation, and I'm OK with that.

 

But for the first time in many years, I'm not buying an MMO at launch and may pass on it altogether, which begs the question:   Did Carbine do a poor job of marketing Wildstar or have I finally become immune to hype trains?

 

 

I've always paid little heed to the Hype train, I tend to gravitate to the MMO's my guild friends are playing (other than WoW which for many of them is still there go to game) and we will advertise it amongst ourselves to gain support from those less likely to move about MMO's.

However I have on many occassions been very reluctant to pre-purchase an MMO, but normally on the day of release I find I am scrambling about the various internet game stores looking for the cheapest copy to DL, because I think I'm missing out, or suddenly a contingent of guildees are suddenly announcing they are in the game, and having a blast without me.

Now I drink only on the odd occassion, I do not smoke or take drugs, I don't have any expensive hobbies that suck up my cash, and MMO's are not being released every week or month of the year, so by my reckoning if I was to purchase each of these new games I'd still be a cheap date.

I'm closing in on the wrong side of the 40's now, I used to think games couldn't get me excited, but the strange thing is, everytime my guild friends get interested in the same game as me my excitement lvls raise, I am anticipating the laughs and the mishaps we will undoubtedly have in this new game.

I believe Carbine have been doing a decent job of pusing their game, perhaps it's just the age thing, perhaps your a lone player moving from game to game, but at the end of the day this hobby we have isn't going to break the bank, so why not buy it, enjoy it for what it is and when it's time to move on you would probably have gotten your moneys worth.

 

  kikosforever

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Joined: 5/02/14
Posts: 397

5/28/14 2:07:58 PM#30
Originally posted by ElirionLoth
Originally posted by kikosforever
Originally posted by Knotwood
I think what you are probably feeling is what I'm feeling from wildstar, that it should be a free to play game and its hard to buy something your not excited about to the degree a sub based game would make you feel.   Nothing kills a hype train faster then a sub on a F2P type game.

 

Yes, i know what you mean. I felt the same for ESO and its the reason that in less than a month almost every1 abandoned it.

That's interesting.  Almost everyone abandoned ESO?  My son and I are playing it.  My other son just introduced me to someone he works with who plays ESO.  I have no trouble finding groups.  There are people running around in game everywhere I goWhere are you getting your information from?  The posters on this site?  The hipsters here who think every new game that comes out is crap?  Please, enlighten us with this information.

 

Easy answer :)

First you see and will continue to see ppl due to Megaserver.

You can check Raptr for played hours. From almost 500k hours/week its now down to 130k and from 5th place down to 16. Same if you check Xfire.

Last one i can see it from my gaming community. From 70-80 players in the first 3-4 weeks they are less than 10 ppl left paying. I m not saying all communities/guilds are like that, but mine it is.

 

  sgel

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5/28/14 2:08:44 PM#31
Originally posted by ElirionLoth
Originally posted by kikosforever
Originally posted by Knotwood
I think what you are probably feeling is what I'm feeling from wildstar, that it should be a free to play game and its hard to buy something your not excited about to the degree a sub based game would make you feel.   Nothing kills a hype train faster then a sub on a F2P type game.

 

Yes, i know what you mean. I felt the same for ESO and its the reason that in less than a month almost every1 abandoned it.

That's interesting.  Almost everyone abandoned ESO?  My son and I are playing it.  My other son just introduced me to someone he works with who plays ESO.  I have no trouble finding groups.  There are people running around in game everywhere I go.  Where are you getting your information from?  The posters on this site?  The hipsters here who think every new game that comes out is crap?  Please, enlighten us with this information.

Well EVERYONE I knew who bought ESO isn't playing it anymore (about 13-15 people). That's hardly "almost everyone" but in my gaming group, people have given up on it or just got bored and have moved on.

 

Anyway, back to topic.

If there's one game that should be charging a monthly sub on release is Wildstar. No other game I can remember had THIS much content on release. Also once you get a hang of it (and prices settle down), you don't really need to pay the sub because you can pay with CREDD.

I would however prefer a B2P GW2 payment scheme... it's by far the best for me.

 

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  redbug

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5/28/14 2:09:50 PM#32
Originally posted by ropenice
Originally posted by kikosforever
Originally posted by Knotwood
I think what you are probably feeling is what I'm feeling from wildstar, that it should be a free to play game and its hard to buy something your not excited about to the degree a sub based game would make you feel.   Nothing kills a hype train faster then a sub on a F2P type game.

 

Yes, i know what you mean. I felt the same for ESO and its the reason that in less than a month almost every1 abandoned it.

Or ESO was a rushed out, buggy, unfinished mess-so thats why people left. If it waited 3 months and actually finished it, there would probably be a solid sub base. I never get these "sub makes game unplayable" responses. If it F2P you still have to pay to access all the game, or they slow progression so u buy xp boosts, etc. If .50$ per day makes someone unsub, then is it really a good enough game to play for "free". It's either fun/good or not fun bad. Only an extreme cheapskate would play a game they didin't like just because free.

Love to know what your qualifiers for a free to play game are. I would bet it's any game you want to try or play. I think it's moronic for you to think that these game companies are not seeking a profit for their work. I personally tend to stick to games that require a sub because they usually have less whiners in them. Well that and it pisses off the boxers and farmers. Nothing better than drinking beer and watching the Asian farmers whine about subs on the forums. Guess I should include this as a hobby on Facebook.

  Amjoco

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5/28/14 2:10:50 PM#33
Honestly Op I wish all people took your reasonable way of looking at this. I'm tired of so many people buying new releases, and then running to this site to complain and/or explain why they want their money back.

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  Nanfoodle

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5/28/14 2:12:58 PM#34
Originally posted by kikosforever
Originally posted by ElirionLoth
Originally posted by kikosforever
Originally posted by Knotwood
I think what you are probably feeling is what I'm feeling from wildstar, that it should be a free to play game and its hard to buy something your not excited about to the degree a sub based game would make you feel.   Nothing kills a hype train faster then a sub on a F2P type game.

 

Yes, i know what you mean. I felt the same for ESO and its the reason that in less than a month almost every1 abandoned it.

That's interesting.  Almost everyone abandoned ESO?  My son and I are playing it.  My other son just introduced me to someone he works with who plays ESO.  I have no trouble finding groups.  There are people running around in game everywhere I goWhere are you getting your information from?  The posters on this site?  The hipsters here who think every new game that comes out is crap?  Please, enlighten us with this information.

 

Easy answer :)

First you see and will continue to see ppl due to Megaserver.

You can check Raptr for played hours. From almost 500k hours/week its now down to 130k and from 5th place down to 16. Same if you check Xfire.

Last one i can see it from my gaming community. From 70-80 players in the first 3-4 weeks they are less than 10 ppl left paying. I m not saying all communities/guilds are like that, but mine it is.

 

ESO had some bad problems at launch and seeing the numbers was shocking. I thought a TES game would have had a better grab of the market even with a bad launch. With the IP I am sure they will rebound. With the console launch I am sure they will do even better as most TES fans are console player. As F2P, I think every game should be F2P with a sub pay wall when you get to the end game but that should not happen till the game has at least 1 expansion under its belt lol You can also play Wildstar F2P now with the CREED system.

  ElirionLoth

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Posts: 156

5/28/14 2:20:38 PM#35
Originally posted by kikosforever
Originally posted by ElirionLoth
Originally posted by kikosforever
Originally posted by Knotwood
I think what you are probably feeling is what I'm feeling from wildstar, that it should be a free to play game and its hard to buy something your not excited about to the degree a sub based game would make you feel.   Nothing kills a hype train faster then a sub on a F2P type game.

 

Yes, i know what you mean. I felt the same for ESO and its the reason that in less than a month almost every1 abandoned it.

That's interesting.  Almost everyone abandoned ESO?  My son and I are playing it.  My other son just introduced me to someone he works with who plays ESO.  I have no trouble finding groups.  There are people running around in game everywhere I goWhere are you getting your information from?  The posters on this site?  The hipsters here who think every new game that comes out is crap?  Please, enlighten us with this information.

 

Easy answer :)

First you see and will continue to see ppl due to Megaserver.

You can check Raptr for played hours. From almost 500k hours/week its now down to 130k and from 5th place down to 16. Same if you check Xfire.

Last one i can see it from my gaming community. From 70-80 players in the first 3-4 weeks they are less than 10 ppl left paying. I m not saying all communities/guilds are like that, but mine it is.

 

The megaserver excuse offers no evidence.  It is just offering a possible reason that your guess at the population could be true while assuming there are fewer instances of that area.  The Xfire and Raptr only catches a certain type of player.  I've never used those.  No one in any of my guilds has ever used those either.  It shows a trend that those types of players (whatever they may be) are playing less hours of ESO but not that they have stopped playing. 

 

At this point, you guys are just wanting the game to fail.  I'm a member of four guilds and they all have very healthy populations.  Yes, there have been plenty of people that have quit but this mass exodus you guys are claiming has happened is false.  

  Knotwood

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Joined: 2/08/14
Posts: 1110

5/28/14 2:29:49 PM#36
Originally posted by Amjoco
Honestly Op I wish all people took your reasonable way of looking at this. I'm tired of so many people buying new releases, and then running to this site to complain and/or explain why they want their money back.

Well said, atleast this game was smart enough to put NO REFUNDS on their best buy sales, and probably all the other sales they are selling this on.

  kikosforever

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Joined: 5/02/14
Posts: 397

5/28/14 2:31:32 PM#37
Originally posted by ElirionLoth
Originally posted by kikosforever
Originally posted by ElirionLoth
Originally posted by kikosforever
Originally posted by Knotwood
I think what you are probably feeling is what I'm feeling from wildstar, that it should be a free to play game and its hard to buy something your not excited about to the degree a sub based game would make you feel.   Nothing kills a hype train faster then a sub on a F2P type game.

 

Yes, i know what you mean. I felt the same for ESO and its the reason that in less than a month almost every1 abandoned it.

That's interesting.  Almost everyone abandoned ESO?  My son and I are playing it.  My other son just introduced me to someone he works with who plays ESO.  I have no trouble finding groups.  There are people running around in game everywhere I goWhere are you getting your information from?  The posters on this site?  The hipsters here who think every new game that comes out is crap?  Please, enlighten us with this information.

 

Easy answer :)

First you see and will continue to see ppl due to Megaserver.

You can check Raptr for played hours. From almost 500k hours/week its now down to 130k and from 5th place down to 16. Same if you check Xfire.

Last one i can see it from my gaming community. From 70-80 players in the first 3-4 weeks they are less than 10 ppl left paying. I m not saying all communities/guilds are like that, but mine it is.

 

The megaserver excuse offers no evidence.  It is just offering a possible reason that your guess at the population could be true while assuming there are fewer instances of that area.  The Xfire and Raptr only catches a certain type of player.  I've never used those.  No one in any of my guilds has ever used those either.  It shows a trend that those types of players (whatever they may be) are playing less hours of ESO but not that they have stopped playing. 

 

At this point, you guys are just wanting the game to fail.  I'm a member of four guilds and they all have very healthy populations.  Yes, there have been plenty of people that have quit but this mass exodus you guys are claiming has happened is false.  

 

I wont continue to prove why i think ESO is already having a huge decline. There is no point anyway to argue. I just want you to know that i hate when games are failing and i dont want any game to be a failure. Not for the sake of companies but for the players and the mmo genre.

  cyberpyro

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Joined: 7/23/08
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5/28/14 2:32:56 PM#38
your fault.. you know about the game so it cant be poor marketing, you just not buying it.. there is no hype train if there is poor marketing..MMO launches very rarely run completely smoothl no matter what ppl say, there are always something that pisses someone off with them.. so here we are, another pointless thread telling ppl that someone is not buying a game....
  kitarad

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 1187

5/28/14 2:44:15 PM#39
Not a peep from Zenimax about how badly I mean how well it is doing they were quick to boast about the 5 million beta testers but seem shy about the real number of sales they made. I think after ESO and how horribly that turned out most people are wary but I was smart I avoided ESO so now I am going to play Wildstar.

  orionblack

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Joined: 7/25/09
Posts: 373

5/28/14 2:47:23 PM#40
Originally posted by Knotwood
I think what you are probably feeling is what I'm feeling from wildstar, that it should be a free to play game and its hard to buy something your not excited about to the degree a sub based game would make you feel.   Nothing kills a hype train faster then a sub on a F2P type game.

^^^ This...

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