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  yaminsux

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5/27/14 10:57:46 PM#21
Originally posted by Pogoant

  It took me 5 years to save enough money to buy a half a$$ed gaming machine.  My old PC was maxed out, couldn't support enough RAM to do crap with todays mmorpg's.   I had to make due with lag and performance issues a lot.  Some people... a lot of people just don't have 5k, or even 1k  to drop on a machine because they work a real job and have to support a real family, or mommy and daddy isn't rich and can't afford to silver spoon feed them.  The point is...most peeps at least in my case, play these games to take a break and get away from reality for an hour or two to express imagination and unwind in a bada$$ world where there are no consequences for killing stuff.  If you can justify 5k for an hour or two every couple of days or even once a day than kudos to you for having rich parents, a trust fund or some other type of financial boon.  Most of us go to the school of hard knocks and I know I can't buy diapers and spend 5k for a machine at the same time.  Whats that?  Nooooo, with out us poor people you wouldn't have anyone to play your mmorpg with.  So yes, some people complain about high system reqs, and I don't judge them for doing so because I know what it's like to be broke and enjoy mmorpg's at the same time.

  Now, if you are still playing on your old comador 64, than yes, it's time to upgrade or give up gaming on a PC and dust off the old Atari for some hot pong action.  If you paid 3k for your almost top of the line rig 6 years ago and your games run like crap.... complain away and do a little more research on the next machine you buy for upgradability.  If you bought the latest and greatest machine for movies and microsoft word and can't play games on it even though you payed a ton of money for yer shiny new machine than you need to get a little more PC savvy and gut yer machine or add to it and stop complaining.

Maybe PC gaming isnt for you, try something else. If you love gaming, get a console, it'll last longer than your average PC.

TBH holding on to a 5 year old PC is quite normal. Back then I ran on single core (OC) AthlonXP, when everyone is on quad core already. I upgraded because lightning fried my PC. Now I have a decent rig, 2 years old. Might upgrade this year.

  Takoo

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Joined: 10/25/13
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OP  5/27/14 11:05:23 PM#22
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Big money is thousands of dollars.

Quad core or 6, 8 core AMD and 8gb of ram is not thousands of dollars.

  Takoo

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Joined: 10/25/13
Posts: 152

 
OP  5/27/14 11:07:50 PM#23
Originally posted by yaminsux
Originally posted by Pogoant

  It took me 5 years to save enough money to buy a half a$$ed gaming machine.  My old PC was maxed out, couldn't support enough RAM to do crap with todays mmorpg's.   I had to make due with lag and performance issues a lot.  Some people... a lot of people just don't have 5k, or even 1k  to drop on a machine because they work a real job and have to support a real family, or mommy and daddy isn't rich and can't afford to silver spoon feed them.  The point is...most peeps at least in my case, play these games to take a break and get away from reality for an hour or two to express imagination and unwind in a bada$$ world where there are no consequences for killing stuff.  If you can justify 5k for an hour or two every couple of days or even once a day than kudos to you for having rich parents, a trust fund or some other type of financial boon.  Most of us go to the school of hard knocks and I know I can't buy diapers and spend 5k for a machine at the same time.  Whats that?  Nooooo, with out us poor people you wouldn't have anyone to play your mmorpg with.  So yes, some people complain about high system reqs, and I don't judge them for doing so because I know what it's like to be broke and enjoy mmorpg's at the same time.

  Now, if you are still playing on your old comador 64, than yes, it's time to upgrade or give up gaming on a PC and dust off the old Atari for some hot pong action.  If you paid 3k for your almost top of the line rig 6 years ago and your games run like crap.... complain away and do a little more research on the next machine you buy for upgradability.  If you bought the latest and greatest machine for movies and microsoft word and can't play games on it even though you payed a ton of money for yer shiny new machine than you need to get a little more PC savvy and gut yer machine or add to it and stop complaining.

Maybe PC gaming isnt for you, try something else. If you love gaming, get a console, it'll last longer than your average PC.

TBH holding on to a 5 year old PC is quite normal. Back then I ran on single core (OC) AthlonXP, when everyone is on quad core already. I upgraded because lightning fried my PC. Now I have a decent rig, 2 years old. Might upgrade this year.

Yeah most people that bitch about PC cost forget to factor in a few things. One is that if you buy a decent case and power supply that can last quite a long time.. My corsair PSU 520 watt was 5 years old and the only reason I replaced it is because I wanted to crossfire a video card. CPUs last forever..

  Zorgo

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Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

5/27/14 11:16:11 PM#24

"I don't get why people complain about MMOs that require decent system specs..."

 

Because they don't have decent system specs.....what don't you get?

  Azrile

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Joined: 7/29/08
Posts: 2615

5/27/14 11:26:38 PM#25
Originally posted by Zorgo

"I don't get why people complain about MMOs that require decent system specs..."

 

Because they don't have decent system specs.....what don't you get?

I don´t agree with this.  I have a really good computer.  But like I said in my previous post, I know that games that push graphics are giong to end up wasting a lot of dev time on something that isn´t really important to me, and they are going to have a lot of tech support headaches from people who are barely beating the specs.

Graphics do not make a game, gameplay does.

  Takoo

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Joined: 10/25/13
Posts: 152

 
OP  5/27/14 11:55:47 PM#26
Originally posted by Azrile
Originally posted by Zorgo

"I don't get why people complain about MMOs that require decent system specs..."

 

Because they don't have decent system specs.....what don't you get?

I don´t agree with this.  I have a really good computer.  But like I said in my previous post, I know that games that push graphics are giong to end up wasting a lot of dev time on something that isn´t really important to me, and they are going to have a lot of tech support headaches from people who are barely beating the specs.

Graphics do not make a game, gameplay does.

Id like to see a higher standard for graphics in for MMO's.. Not saying to make MMO's using the crytek engine but I think they can do better.

  Ginaz

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Joined: 4/01/07
Posts: 1726

5/27/14 11:59:11 PM#27
Originally posted by yaminsux
Originally posted by Pogoant

  It took me 5 years to save enough money to buy a half a$$ed gaming machine.  My old PC was maxed out, couldn't support enough RAM to do crap with todays mmorpg's.   I had to make due with lag and performance issues a lot.  Some people... a lot of people just don't have 5k, or even 1k  to drop on a machine because they work a real job and have to support a real family, or mommy and daddy isn't rich and can't afford to silver spoon feed them.  The point is...most peeps at least in my case, play these games to take a break and get away from reality for an hour or two to express imagination and unwind in a bada$$ world where there are no consequences for killing stuff.  If you can justify 5k for an hour or two every couple of days or even once a day than kudos to you for having rich parents, a trust fund or some other type of financial boon.  Most of us go to the school of hard knocks and I know I can't buy diapers and spend 5k for a machine at the same time.  Whats that?  Nooooo, with out us poor people you wouldn't have anyone to play your mmorpg with.  So yes, some people complain about high system reqs, and I don't judge them for doing so because I know what it's like to be broke and enjoy mmorpg's at the same time.

  Now, if you are still playing on your old comador 64, than yes, it's time to upgrade or give up gaming on a PC and dust off the old Atari for some hot pong action.  If you paid 3k for your almost top of the line rig 6 years ago and your games run like crap.... complain away and do a little more research on the next machine you buy for upgradability.  If you bought the latest and greatest machine for movies and microsoft word and can't play games on it even though you payed a ton of money for yer shiny new machine than you need to get a little more PC savvy and gut yer machine or add to it and stop complaining.

Maybe PC gaming isnt for you, try something else. If you love gaming, get a console, it'll last longer than your average PC.

TBH holding on to a 5 year old PC is quite normal. Back then I ran on single core (OC) AthlonXP, when everyone is on quad core already. I upgraded because lightning fried my PC. Now I have a decent rig, 2 years old. Might upgrade this year.

People like him might be best served being a console gamer.  However, a decent gaming PC costs about the same as one of the new consoles (around $500).  The PC I'm using now I've had for about 4 years now ( i7 920, 6gb ram, GTX 580) with the only thing added was the video card and only because my original Radeon 5770 shit the bed and died.  I purchased it for around $1200.  I'm able to run every game I've played at either ultra or high settings so I have no plans on upgrading or buying a new PC anytime soon.

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  Loke666

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5/28/14 12:08:09 AM#28
Originally posted by Zzad

If you are talking about WildStar....well people have reasons to rant about....

Oldschool graphics with beyond needed requirements....

...specially when you see far superior games in graphics like TESO run smooth like a hot knife cutting butter.

TESOs performance is still a bit random, it runs great on some system but others still have issues with it (and they sometimes have better hardware). Optimizing a game for all kind of hardware is not easy and takes time.

But I do agree with OP, there is no reason why there shouldn't be some MMOs for high end computers.

  delete5230

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5/28/14 4:13:09 AM#29

Why does everyone insist on having a Laptop ?......This is more of the question !

Do you travel constantly ?

Do you have to carry it from room to room, maybe insist on using it on your bed, maybe bring it down your basement at times ?

OK....I know, your friends may call you to bring it over to their house to play video games next to each other, or an outside chance they may and you'll be ready when that time comes :)

 

 

 

 

GET A GOOD DESK TOP, you can up-grade for almost nothing !!

About two years I needed a new video card, the one I had was old and blew out. For $125 I got one that was twice as good as the one I originally paid $600 for.

  Purutzil

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5/28/14 4:20:45 AM#30

I don't see THAT much complaints. That said, an MMo SHOULD be accessable to most people. A good MMo will work in having low settings a good majority of people can handle with high settings that can look great.

 

An MMo can look great, but it does need to be accessable enough for most people. An MMo won't go very far if its cut off from most people. It's hard to be "Massive" in a multiplayer online game if your cutting off much of the possible userbase.

  Jabas

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5/28/14 4:21:15 AM#31
Originally posted by Takoo

MMOs prob require the lowest specs of any video game on computers.  

 

That is not my experience.

On my old pc, befor updated, i just needed a new gpu to play FarCry3 without any problema but didnt solve my mmorpg problems because they use alot the cpu and ram. So only after full update i was able to play new mmorpgs in decente way.

  Gdemami

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5/28/14 4:21:53 AM#32


Originally posted by Takoo

Sorry it is time for people with dual cores and 4gb of ram to get new computers.

Is it? How so?

You realize simple fact that there is WAY more games you can play on "old" computer than games that requires latest tech? That is where those 10% comes from.

There is simply no point making games for latest tech.

  Fdzzaigl

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5/28/14 4:37:24 AM#33

I see a whole lote more people complaining about bad graphics or cartoony graphics, or other styles they don't like, or animations etc.

There are almost never complaints about MMO's with high graphical quality that require decent specs.

Those that do complain simply don't have the money or otherwise the ability to update for a new game they'd like to play. So the situation is pretty easy to understand.

Together with that, many games these days come out unoptimized, which makes some mediocre looking games require a lot of juice from your comp.

Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!

  Ginaz

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5/31/14 3:46:39 AM#34
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by Takoo

Sorry it is time for people with dual cores and 4gb of ram to get new computers.

 

Is it? How so?

You realize simple fact that there is WAY more games you can play on "old" computer than games that requires latest tech? That is where those 10% comes from.

There is simply no point making games for latest tech.

You don't have to spend thousands of $$$ and have a bleeding edge PC but if you're still trying to game on a PC that's 10 years old with a Pentium 4, 1gb of ram and 20 gb of hd space, maybe PC gaming isn't for you and you're better off sticking to consoles.  One of the new consoles, however, will run you about the same cost a PC that can run most every game with respectable visuals and frame rates.

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  Quirhid

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5/31/14 5:03:50 AM#35

I get the vibe OP is too fixated on the number of cores and not the speeds of those cores. From my experience, relatively few games make good use of multicore systems. I certainly regret buying a quadcore processor when instead I could've bought a faster dualcore processor for the same money.

For many people it is not about if they can cough up the money to update their PC but rather they cannot justify it.

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  Dauntis

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5/31/14 5:13:55 AM#36

I prefer mmos with wide range scalable graphics. I have a great computer, but many of my friends are broke asses with Frankenstiened duct taped PC's. I want to play with as many people as possible.

 

And PS: those cartoony graphics will outlast any realistic graphics and are more easily updated as the game grows. Plus I just prefer the cartoon style and animations to "realistic" style. I was a Streetfighter kid and Mortal Kombat kids could suck donkeys!

I would like to give an opinion on this post, but if I agree I will offend people who disagree. While if I disagree my comment will be seen as inflammatory. Either way I will get banned by this site full of the most delicate flowers in online gaming. Ban people for giving honest opinions... beautiful. Unfortunately I still like the articles.

  Quirhid

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5/31/14 5:16:35 AM#37
The term is "stylized" not "cartoony". It is stylized versus realistic graphics - and yes, stylized graphics age much better (meaning they don't look hopelessly outdated within 2 years).

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  fivoroth

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5/31/14 5:33:18 AM#38
Originally posted by Takoo
Originally posted by Horusra
I do not think it is a complaint about the game, but more about the market that will support the game.  You make a game that only 10% of people can play, then the company can not be surprised if it tanks in the market.

Quad core and 6gb of ram is 10% of people? Sorry it is time for people with dual cores and 4gb of ram to get new computers.

I saw a statistic from steam (think it was last year) and the vast majority of people are still using  Intel Core 2 Duo CPUs. Now obviously steam does not cover all gamers but for me I don't think you will get anyone else to publish stats on a larger population.

Btw the vast majority of other video games have a dual core as a minimum not quad core. Not  sure where you're getting your facts from.

Metro Last Light requires a minimum of Dual core and so does Battlefield 4. Problem with a lot of MMOs is that they have too many people potentially in one place which significantly impacts performance. 

You are just being unreasonable as other games also do not require quad core CPUs to run.

And saying buy a PC not a laptop is pretty much tunnelled vision. PCs don't suit everyone's lifestyle. In fact for the majority of people laptops suit their needs better. But then again you sound like someone who has a 12 core CPU and Geforce GTX 790 and is just bitter than developers are not targeting specs.

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  TwoThreeFour

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5/31/14 5:35:57 AM#39
Originally posted by Quirhid
The term is "stylized" not "cartoony". It is stylized versus realistic graphics - and yes, stylized graphics age much better (meaning they don't look hopelessly outdated within 2 years).

Both are actually correct. To make your game look "cartoony" is to "1. To restrict or make conform to a particular style." and thus making the look of your game stylized. However, you can also stylize the look in other ways without making it cartoony.

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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5/31/14 5:41:09 AM#40
Originally posted by Zzad

If you are talking about WildStar....well people have reasons to rant about....

Oldschool graphics with beyond needed requirements....

...specially when you see far superior games in graphics like TESO run smooth like a hot knife cutting butter.

Wildstar is really a bad example.

My system is watercooled overclocked Core I7 4770k, R9 290x 4GB DDR5 graphic card, and a 480GB Kingston SSD, and Wildstar manages to make my frame rate drop ridiculously low in places like capital cities. The same system runs everything else I throw at it, including MMOs with much better graphics than Wildstar, flawless at 60+ fps (vSync always on) with every setting maxed out.

That game is just very poorly optimized.

Oh, and about people pretending that you need $5K to get a gaming PC nowadays... when I upgraded to the system above, I paid 650€ (approx. $880) for CPU+motherboard+GPU+RAM+SSD. I paid 35€ more ($47) for the water cooling system for the CPU. I already had a good power supply. We are far under those supposed 5K. If I had to also buy a case, a DVD driver and a power supply (which I already had), that would have been $200 more at worse, with a well ventilated case and a good brand PSU with at least 750W REAL output and 25A per 12V rail (not those chinese cheap crappy ones which explode under load).

We are under $1000 for a quite good gaming PC, with a water cooled CPU, which will run everything you throw at it smoothly. That would be $1500 for the random person (I get good prices because I work in the industry as software engineer), I checked on newegg, without even their "bundles" which can make it even cheaper.

And you can even get cheaper if you don't take a top notch graphic card like I did, a R9 280 is very good too (or the nVidia equivalent), and go for a Core I5 instead of the I7. That rig will still run games with high settings smoothly enough. The advantage of the maxed out I7 rig is that it will last longer in time.

Of course I build my PCs myself. If you don't, just find a friend who does.

 

PS: for those who wonder where to find water cooling so cheap, here's a link in the USA to the model I have: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103195 . Friendly advice though, don't toy with your CPU cooler unless you know what you're doing, better ask a friend who is building his own PCs to do it for you.

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