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  Vema

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5/26/14 6:27:57 AM#21
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

its a fact that many people with problems try to replace the big bad evil outside world with a virtuall world to take care of their needed social interaction....   

 

This whole thing makes me think of this...

  Lyrian

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5/26/14 6:29:38 AM#22

People seem to want full loot, open world, hardcore sandbox PvP with good graphics and longevity. But when it happens everyone gets really angry.

 

Can't please anyone.

  Blocheadj

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5/26/14 6:37:58 AM#23

T/C your topic does not make sense. The media did not blame world of warcraft, in that link you sent it seemed to me like they were referring to the fact that in the past shooters have played war games and violent games,  his parents only said he "played warcraft".

 

Nice try.

 

 

  Pie_Rat

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5/26/14 6:38:24 AM#24
Originally posted by comicguy

Here we go again. Everytime some whack job kill someone, they blame it on Warcraft.

WoW or Marilyn Manson...

  jimmywolf

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5/26/14 6:38:31 AM#25
Originally posted by Vema

I thought of starting a post about this...generally concerning whether, in this context, it's really so bad to be addicted to WoW or any other MMO throughout the duration of your early 20s(After all, if someone spends 6 years in college getting their 4 year degree partying and drinking every day or in a 6-year long raving MDMA haze, society would be much less critical of them than a gaming addict)

 

But really, this is just too depressing. It makes me feel like I've been gut-punched to even thinking about this guy and the shooting. Just way too much toxic thinking. The really painful part is that I wasn't dissimilar to that when I was his age(minus the racism/classism). It tears at me to even speculate as to whether, with a slightly different set of circumstances...uhg. 

 

Seriously, just find something that makes you happy. If there's something...anything...that is really bothering you, then do everything in your power to turn away from it. Otherwise it's like staring at the fucking sun. There are worse things in life than being a 20-year old, 30-year old, 40-year old, lifelong virgin. It's not worth killing or dying over.  And hell, if the kid really had such a complex about this, then he should've gone to Vegas or Pattaya or something. If I had a son who was getting all fucked up in the head over this, I'd certainly prefer him to turn to prostitutes rather than implode or explode.

 

Lastly, I'd caution against making any decisions regarding gun control based on isolated incidents. In a nation of 310 million people, even a tragic shooting of 26 people at an elementary school is too great of an outlier to be making sweeping policy decisions. I realize that's a cold position to take, and I don't feel comfortable taking it, but there's an extraordinary potential for abuse when you permit people to employ such rare tragedies to pick at the freedoms of hundreds of millions of law abiding citizens. Or, to put it another way, does the tragedy of 911 and the incredibly improbable possibility of in-flight violence really justify the degrading treatment by the TSA? There has to be a point at which you refuse to allow someone to point to an outlier and try to guilt you into accepting their position without present sufficiently compelling statistics. Oh, and I support the current gun culture, not because of hunting(which I consider barbaric) or self-defense(motivated by false hysterical fear), but because I believe in the original purpose of the 2nd amendment, as the ultimate check to government power. And no...I'm not talking about Obama(I voted for him twice, and am still quite proud of having done so) and I neither want nor expect a revolution to come to pass regardless of who's in power. But I think it's critically important, and an entirely healthy state of affairs, that those with power understand that it is only but for the consent of the masses that this society continues to function as it does. And on that note, that's enough of my rambling...

 

i don't mean this to sound like personal attack but i believe your a naive  ideologist. in the perfect world yes guns would save more life then they take but the ease which kids an ignorant men are able too use an abuse said guns,  far out weighs the better half of society which suffer for their liberty to get a gun. 

 

 

guns should be controlled, just like government actions should be but we keep giving both way to much freedom. am very liberal an love the freedom we have but in order too have structure an order their must be tough laws on things that can kill or hurt people.

  greatskys

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Joined: 4/02/14
Posts: 351

5/26/14 6:48:25 AM#26

I gather the guy that did this is the son of a famous film producer . He came from a privilaged background so I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he had money enough and easy access to drugs . If thats not the case then he was certainly mentally ill and this once again brings up the question of American gun control laws .

While I'm sure gaming can have a detromental effect on certain people so can anything in life if they are predisposed to violence . If anything playing WoW may have given him a social outlet and made him feel less isolated .

The people ulimatly to blame are the sentators and congressmen who fail to pass gun control laws out of fear of the gun lobby . It seems to me gaming is an easy scapegoat that is obviously being used to detract attention from the real issue .

  greatskys

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5/26/14 6:58:03 AM#27
Originally posted by Vema

I thought of starting a post about this...generally concerning whether, in this context, it's really so bad to be addicted to WoW or any other MMO throughout the duration of your early 20s(After all, if someone spends 6 years in college getting their 4 year degree partying and drinking every day or in a 6-year long raving MDMA haze, society would be much less critical of them than a gaming addict)

 

But really, this is just too depressing. It makes me feel like I've been gut-punched to even thinking about this guy and the shooting. Just way too much toxic thinking. The really painful part is that I wasn't dissimilar to that when I was his age(minus the racism/classism). It tears at me to even speculate as to whether, with a slightly different set of circumstances...uhg. 

 

Seriously, just find something that makes you happy. If there's something...anything...that is really bothering you, then do everything in your power to turn away from it. Otherwise it's like staring at the fucking sun. There are worse things in life than being a 20-year old, 30-year old, 40-year old, lifelong virgin. It's not worth killing or dying over.  And hell, if the kid really had such a complex about this, then he should've gone to Vegas or Pattaya or something. If I had a son who was getting all fucked up in the head over this, I'd certainly prefer him to turn to prostitutes rather than implode or explode.

 

Lastly, I'd caution against making any decisions regarding gun control based on isolated incidents. In a nation of 310 million people, even a tragic shooting of 26 people at an elementary school is too great of an outlier to be making sweeping policy decisions. I realize that's a cold position to take, and I don't feel comfortable taking it, but there's an extraordinary potential for abuse when you permit people to employ such rare tragedies to pick at the freedoms of hundreds of millions of law abiding citizens. Or, to put it another way, does the tragedy of 911 and the incredibly improbable possibility of in-flight violence really justify the degrading treatment by the TSA? There has to be a point at which you refuse to allow someone to point to an outlier and try to guilt you into accepting their position without present sufficiently compelling statistics. Oh, and I support the current gun culture, not because of hunting(which I consider barbaric) or self-defense(motivated by false hysterical fear), but because I believe in the original purpose of the 2nd amendment, as the ultimate check to government power. And no...I'm not talking about Obama(I voted for him twice, and am still quite proud of having done so) and I neither want nor expect a revolution to come to pass regardless of who's in power. But I think it's critically important, and an entirely healthy state of affairs, that those with power understand that it is only but for the consent of the masses that this society continues to function as it does. And on that note, that's enough of my rambling...

If you support the current gun culture without tougher gun laws you are partly responsible of putting guns in the hands of people like this . I'm sure your opposition to them would change overnight if a loved on was killed in such an incident . You only have to look at the number of gun deaths in the USA each year to realize its a big issue and if you describe  the shooting of 26 people in an elementary school as an "outlier" then your sick in the head .

I can't believe anyone would say that .

  psiic

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5/26/14 7:06:39 AM#28

Why should the media be different than anyone else? 

 

Why would you assume any other story when the media is no longer about journalism, investigation, or integrity?

 

We live in a day and age where nobody assumes responsibility for anything. 

 

Everyone chooses to blame someone else and for litigious reasons they usually settle on the deepest pockets.

 

The example set by he entire leadership of the world is to claim ignorance and blame anyone and everyone else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  Nadia

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5/26/14 7:08:45 AM#29

earlier link only stated wow as a loose connection

 

this ones goes all out --- National Inquirer style

http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/santa-barbara-slayer-mimicking-warcraft-character/

  GeezerGamer

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5/26/14 7:12:29 AM#30

When I was growing up, the media blamed Dungeons and Dragons.

Nothing's changed.

............except the frequency at which whack jobs snap.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Kyleran

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5/26/14 7:14:59 AM#31
Definitely not due to his playing WOW, seriously disturbed individual with a history that should have prevented him from buying a gun.

But can the law protect us? Here in the US one of the greatest privacies we have by law is our medical histories. A Doctor can't reveal it to anyone without your explicit permission.

As a manager I can't tell anyone why a person called in, other than to provide a general description they are "sick"

So to have tougher gun laws, we'd need weaker privacy laws, that's less likely to happen than any gun law change.

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, "Meany", you speak as if these are bad things?
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  Shiftless

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5/26/14 7:17:23 AM#32
Originally posted by Gadareth

Sorry guys I am fairly certain guns are to blame.

The WOW angle was just mentioned in the article as something he played and an emphasis that he wasn't playing a "shooter" game.

 

 

Yeah no.  You blaming guns is the same as the media blaming video games.  Guns are inanimate objects.  They can't kill without some idiot pulling the trigger.  Blame the person, not the tool.

  GeezerGamer

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5/26/14 7:21:06 AM#33
Originally posted by Shiftless
Originally posted by Gadareth

Sorry guys I am fairly certain guns are to blame.

The WOW angle was just mentioned in the article as something he played and an emphasis that he wasn't playing a "shooter" game.

 

 

Yeah no.  You blaming guns is the same as the media blaming video games.  Guns are inanimate objects.  They can't kill without some idiot pulling the trigger.  Blame the person, not the tool.

Yeah, I was going to say, it's not guns, if it wasn't guns, it would be knives, if not knives, he'd have picked up a brick or something.

No, I'm inclined to think it was something a little more parental.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  CrazKanuk

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5/26/14 7:39:11 AM#34
Originally posted by Shiftless
Originally posted by Gadareth

Sorry guys I am fairly certain guns are to blame.

The WOW angle was just mentioned in the article as something he played and an emphasis that he wasn't playing a "shooter" game.

 

Yeah no.  You blaming guns is the same as the media blaming video games.  Guns are inanimate objects.  They can't kill without some idiot pulling the trigger.  Blame the person, not the tool.

Well we don't send soldiers to war with a hammer and a phillips head screwdriver, do we? Maybe some duct tape?

Crazkanuk

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  greatskys

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5/26/14 7:41:04 AM#35
Originally posted by Shiftless
Originally posted by Gadareth

Sorry guys I am fairly certain guns are to blame.

The WOW angle was just mentioned in the article as something he played and an emphasis that he wasn't playing a "shooter" game.

 

 

Yeah no.  You blaming guns is the same as the media blaming video games.  Guns are inanimate objects.  They can't kill without some idiot pulling the trigger.  Blame the person, not the tool.

A tool specifically designed to kill that has no other use is a weapon in my books . I guess you think nerve gas and nuclear bombs are tools too . 

  CrazKanuk

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5/26/14 7:41:19 AM#36
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Shiftless
Originally posted by Gadareth

Sorry guys I am fairly certain guns are to blame.

The WOW angle was just mentioned in the article as something he played and an emphasis that he wasn't playing a "shooter" game.

 

 

Yeah no.  You blaming guns is the same as the media blaming video games.  Guns are inanimate objects.  They can't kill without some idiot pulling the trigger.  Blame the person, not the tool.

Yeah, I was going to say, it's not guns, if it wasn't guns, it would be knives, if not knives, he'd have picked up a brick or something.

No, I'm inclined to think it was something a little more parental.

Would you rather me coming at you with a fully-loaded gun, or a brick? I'd probably like my chances better against a brick. 

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  cheeba

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5/26/14 7:44:57 AM#37

This is not just a problem in America.  Happens more elsewhere in the world.   Its not just a problem with guns.  They will use whatever they can get there hands on.  Its is not just a problem of White Males.  And it is certainly not a new problem.  Check out this link for more info.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

 

Its a problem with the mental healthcare system more than anything else. 

 

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  greatskys

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5/26/14 7:49:39 AM#38
Originally posted by cheeba

This is not just a problem in America.  Happens more elsewhere in the world.   Its not just a problem with guns.  They will use whatever they can get there hands on.  Its is not just a problem of White Males.  And it is certainly not a new problem.  Check out this link for more info.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

 

Its a problem with the mental healthcare system more than anything else. 

 

Its a lot easier to kill a large number of people with a gun than it is a knife or sword of course . Also it takes considerable know how to make explosive devices . 

Putting guns legally into the hands of everyone that wants one increases the chances it will happen and when it does certainly increases the number of fatalities . 

 

  Katilla

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5/26/14 7:51:40 AM#39
Originally posted by Gadareth

Sorry guys I am fairly certain guns are to blame.

The WOW angle was just mentioned in the article as something he played and an emphasis that he wasn't playing a "shooter" game.

 

 

this.  media loves to pick on the CoD kids...

 

 

  Arskaaa

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5/26/14 7:56:03 AM#40
hope they sue shit out parents. they got plenty money^^
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