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  Daessar

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5/23/14 8:26:39 PM#41
Originally posted by strawhat0981

Wow so someone wants something new and now they are put in the "you are old, so it does not matter what you say". I guess kids will be kids

Huh?

The idea was that he would be waiting for his "ideal" MMO for so long that he'd grow old, did you actually read the response or just "skim" those loooong 2 sentences?

  Chrisbox

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5/23/14 8:28:37 PM#42
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by kairel182

I disagree.  The game ran terribly and the combat was gimmicky and very clunky. 

This is when everyone stopped reading, you see, they optimized the game, and you clearly didn't give it a go, or have bothered to be in the know enough to realize why the game is still being optimized, and yet it already HAS been quite a bit, even from open beta.

 

So sir, here is where everyone stopped reading.

I played until the very last day of open beta and it still ran like garbage on my good PC along with many other peoples. So no, you're incorrect.

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  fearu

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5/23/14 8:29:00 PM#43

It's exactly the same as any other themepark MMO with the usual tweaks in various places, such as raiding and combat in this game, to attempt to distinguish itself in a sea of clones.

 

Although I agree that Wildstar is nothing special, I didn't figure that out by the way the grass flowed. I just played it, tried out the new stuff and decided it was meh and not for me.

 

 

  strawhat0981

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I want an awesome sci-fi game that is a sandbox...give it to me!!!!

5/23/14 8:30:54 PM#44
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by strawhat0981
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by sumdumguy1
I wanted to like this game, got my character level up and gave it a chance, but its nothing special and got boring very fast.   The game never got me excited story wise and I never had the encapsulated feeling I get when I get into a game and like it.  This is juts another game, not good, not bad but really just average.

I remember some reviews of WoW when it came out that sounded much like this.

No really, a lot of people were playing EQ, and DAoC and they heard about this game called 'World of Warcraft' when they picked up a PC gamer mag, and they were like, man this looks pretty average, not good not bad, just average.

And look where it got them.

OK laughing-man we get it you love wildstar. Do you really have to defend it teeth and nails?

Did I hit a nerve?  I'm sorry I upset you?

Why are you so mad to the point where you are spam posting about how much you hate this game?  I'm really kinda at a loss at this point.

Oh well I suppose.

Spam posting, really? I am pretty sure I have not talked trash about WS. Do you feel the need to talk down to people who do not agree with you?

  strawhat0981

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I want an awesome sci-fi game that is a sandbox...give it to me!!!!

5/23/14 8:33:09 PM#45
If I was spam posting, I think I would have more than 5 posts today.
  NobleNerd

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5/23/14 8:34:06 PM#46
Originally posted by Delerious1

While the op doesn't speak for the masses, I think alot of you glossing over his main points, which is about quality of design.  To some of you, realistically flowing grass may not be important.  Some of you may not care how your character looks when it strafes side to side.  Some of you may not care about realistic day/night cycles.  Some of you may not care about what the npc's generally do and say as the idle about, but some of us do.

A huge part of what makes an mmo great, is all the details that contribute to a game world feeling alive.

You took the words out of my mouth. THANK YOU.

I am one of those that like the details in a game. I am not talking about photo-realistic graphics. I am talking about details like in GW2 where many of the npcs throughout the world had random voice acted chit chat and in ESO where you have random encounters in the world like beggars and people upset because they are cold and you light a fire to warm them. I like grass to flow nicely and not look like someone stuck pieces of straw in the ground around me. I like it when it rains in the game and the ground and items reflect the wetness. Those things matter to me because they help immerse me in my game play.

The problem I have with Wildstar is it takes very little like that into consideration. It bearly takes anything serious and with that it does nothing to make me feel connected and immersed in the world and game play.

  strawhat0981

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I want an awesome sci-fi game that is a sandbox...give it to me!!!!

5/23/14 8:42:33 PM#47
Originally posted by NobleNerd
Originally posted by Delerious1

While the op doesn't speak for the masses, I think alot of you glossing over his main points, which is about quality of design.  To some of you, realistically flowing grass may not be important.  Some of you may not care how your character looks when it strafes side to side.  Some of you may not care about realistic day/night cycles.  Some of you may not care about what the npc's generally do and say as the idle about, but some of us do.

 

It bearly takes anything serious and with that it does nothing to make me feel connected and immersed in the world and game play.

 I feel the same way, disconnection. WS is awesome and wish it the best, but I feel disconnected from the world.

  Nitth

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5/23/14 11:16:12 PM#48


Originally posted by Chrisbox

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by kairel182 I disagree.  The game ran terribly and the combat was gimmicky and very clunky. 
This is when everyone stopped reading, you see, they optimized the game, and you clearly didn't give it a go, or have bothered to be in the know enough to realize why the game is still being optimized, and yet it already HAS been quite a bit, even from open beta.   So sir, here is where everyone stopped reading.
I played until the very last day of open beta and it still ran like garbage on my good PC along with many other peoples. So no, you're incorrect.

I cant understand time after time why people believe that "it will be fixed before launch" will actually happen. Its almost like they know how realistic it is but still choose denial and game loyalty instead.


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  Nevulus

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5/23/14 11:24:03 PM#49
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by Nevulus

Wildstar is an exceptional artistic game. Combat feels smooth, dungeons & raids are fun. 

 

Stop saying "we" u dont speak for the masses. I have yet to see anyone in the industry share your opinion. You & 2 of your buddies don't speak for the MMO community  :)

 

Edit: My bad, I thought you were being serious. The comparison to WoW is a red flag for a troll post.

 No, OP doesn't speak for the masses.

Neither do you, so stop pretending your opinions are facts.

Never did i say it was fact. Reading is fundamental. Ya mad brah?

  Mardukk

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5/23/14 11:43:17 PM#50
I'm just glad the game is so poorly optimized that I have 21 - 39 fps running around solo.  While other current game are running 50+ fps.  If they can't figure out a way to optimize the game there is no point in talking about the other aspects.
  Lord.Bachus

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5/24/14 2:58:25 AM#51
Originally posted by Bootez

We've seen this so often. Even I almost bought into the hype. And, at this point, who knows, I may fall into the insanity that is buying this game.

 

It is insanity for a reason: We keep buying these half-finished MMOs, hoping for that old feeling of adventure. I don't see how this game could possibly be any different. The MMO industry is repeating itself. But this game isn't smooth. It isn't a piece of art.

 

Art here is important. It is obvious this game isn't a piece of art. If you think I'm wrong, go look how all of the grass on the ground flows at the EXACT same time. It shouldn't. It should flow in waves. This game lacks the fine details that make a game a piece of art. I have yet to find an environment in this game that shows an artist's touch. They are talented, yes, but they aren't putting their souls into this game and it becomes painfully obvious when you take a close look at the textures and animations.

 

Just like all of the recently mmo releases (Apart from maybe Guild Wars 2?), this game fails in the art department. And unfortunately, that is what makes an MMO a living, breathing thing. It needs the fine details in combat as well as art to make it work, which is why WoW has dominated the scene for so long (Apart from Panda-land, which, regardless of how silly some of the expansion is, the environment is still a work of art). 

 

Deep down, I feel like we all know this. Even my most-excited gamer friends have realized the failure train that this game is on. 

You know how stupid this sounds?

 

You dont give a single game related reason why this specific game would fail?

So you are telling me this game will fail because all others have failed too?

 

So you are telling me MMO´s allways fail?

Well... only for people that dont like MMO´s... thats the kind of people who call these games a fail

Move on to another genre, or go enjoy real life

 

 

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  GrayImpact

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5/24/14 3:02:20 AM#52
Originally posted by Bladestrom

Silly OP.  you spend the first 2 paragraphs talking about the importance of graphics then go on to imply that wow graphics is why wow is a success.  Wow graphics is 10 years older the Wildstar, Wildstar deliberately applying the same approach to graphic style but with more updateed tech and textures (something to do with the fact wildstar has wow developers on board)  And finally (oh this is critical) the grass in WOW is inferior to Wildstar and most mmo.

Half finished with 9 years of dev? Wow player scared to move on/protected perceived patch perchance? edit oh lol, GW2.

It's not about textures, It's about aesthetics, and though i no longer play either, WoW's aesthetics sure where a hell of a lot better then wildstars.

  fivoroth

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5/24/14 3:14:45 AM#53
Wildstar looks horrible. Every time I see videos of the game I feel like i need to go to the toilet to throw up.

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  fivoroth

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5/24/14 3:21:54 AM#54
Originally posted by Chrisbox

This game isn't half finished, but it won't be huge at all for other reasons.

Reason being, this game only appeals to people who enjoy seriously raiding bosses with 19-39 other people while defeating said boss with a limited choice of skills that once pressed will execute a very lame animation in the triangle telegraph in front of your character.  While doing this, you must also be wary of red triangles of death that will wipe your raid and cycle interrupt skills.  The end. 

Jokes aside, the truth is their game is not built to appeal to a wide variety of players.  Just the hardcore and "classic wow feels" players.  

I'm as hardcore as they come, but this game just isn't for me.  The lore is essentially non-existent and I can't take the game seriously at all as a result, my guildies feel the same, and the skill system/combat makes me feel like i'm playing the MOBA smite, and that isn't how I like my raiding.  For those that can tolerate those two aspects though, I'm sure they will enjoy the large amounts of raiding content that carbine has planned, or atleast constantly brags about having planned.  

I am a huge WoW fan who loved every bit of classic WoW. I never got the same feeling playing Wildstar that I got from playing WoW. It's not even close. The music in WoW was way more epic, the graphics for some reason felt more immersive (maybe beecause I was used to the Warcraft style from WC3), the class design was epic, animations were unlike anything I have ever seen. Even to this date I would argue WoW is in a league of its own when it comes to animations.

But most importantly (and this is probably why I am super biased) WoW had one thing which none of the other MMOs have. I love the warcraft universe. I don't care about Wildstar's world/story/lore etc. 

There are three games where I cared about the world - GW, WoW, ESO. But nothing was on the epic scale like WoW. WoW at launch for me was just perfect. When I was playing it, I couldn't think of one thing which I wanted to change (other than server lag/dcs)

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  Thane

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5/24/14 3:37:09 AM#55
Originally posted by Bootez

We've seen this so often. Even I almost bought into the hype. And, at this point, who knows, I may fall into the insanity that is buying this game.

 

It is insanity for a reason: We keep buying these half-finished MMOs, hoping for that old feeling of adventure. I don't see how this game could possibly be any different. The MMO industry is repeating itself. But this game isn't smooth. It isn't a piece of art.

 

Art here is important. It is obvious this game isn't a piece of art. If you think I'm wrong, go look how all of the grass on the ground flows at the EXACT same time. It shouldn't. It should flow in waves. This game lacks the fine details that make a game a piece of art. I have yet to find an environment in this game that shows an artist's touch. They are talented, yes, but they aren't putting their souls into this game and it becomes painfully obvious when you take a close look at the textures and animations.

 

Just like all of the recently mmo releases (Apart from maybe Guild Wars 2?), this game fails in the art department. And unfortunately, that is what makes an MMO a living, breathing thing. It needs the fine details in combat as well as art to make it work, which is why WoW has dominated the scene for so long (Apart from Panda-land, which, regardless of how silly some of the expansion is, the environment is still a work of art). 

 

Deep down, I feel like we all know this. Even my most-excited gamer friends have realized the failure train that this game is on. 

stopped reading after the red part, obviously this is a troll post, not based on any infos.

maybe check the game you talk about next time before you make some useless comments. lemme guess, you leveld up to level 5 and then made a post with 500 words? whatever

 

and sorry, but for someone talking so many words about art... you should realize art is a matter of style, which again is a matter of taste - and you sir, didnt get it - and the failure bus already left, with you aboard.

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  Isar

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5/24/14 3:49:51 AM#56

I'm not sure how people are getting such low FPS?  I'm getting at least 100 to 180 in the current ops week at 1920x1600 resolution.

aside from that I've found the game to be fun and it has humour, sometimes it's nice to see that instead of all the seriousness in most other games.

  kikosforever

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5/24/14 3:56:18 AM#57
Originally posted by DamonVile
If you're worried about it wait a month and see what happens. If it's a good mmo it will be around for years. If it's bad it will be pretty obvious after the first 30 days and you'll have saved yourself the time and money.

 

This ^^

You can just stay away and save your money and your time. So simple :)

  Cleverjack

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5/24/14 3:59:35 AM#58
Immersion is important. THere are plenty of mmo's that make you feel like you're in another world. ESO did a good job of it with the good banter of the npc's and it was beautiful. AA makes the world seem so real, but that's because its always so lively and no load screens allows for you to feel immersed in the world, but the AA npc's don't do shit. I feel immersed in WS right from the get go, mainly cause the exiles remind me so much of the browncoats, but I love the western feel and accent of the faction. The area are so huge and the npc's are always busy. I played wow for years and I never read a quest or cared about the lore, but I enjoy the back story of WS, from the way the races stories imteract with each other to getting the datacrons and learning more about the eldans. Besides there is so much to do in WS, you have both quantity and quality.

  cheyane

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5/24/14 5:10:43 AM#59

I do not understand the poor performance issues . I ran it yesterday on my GTX 580 was getting about 75 fps on 1600 x 1200 resolution,no shadows I never run shadows if I can avoid it. It dropped to 45 -50 sometimes but it ran really smoothly.

 

I have never been very good at appreciating art when I lived in Spain and my relatives would come to drag me off to Prado I would skulk about in some corner with an audio book waiting for them to finish so I could go home. God I hate living in artsy fartsy places like Madrid and Rome because relatives and friends force you to go to museums and churches.

 

One thing about this flowing grass thing that you pointed out, the whole art direction you suggested of this game coming from a total peasant like me seems not to fit. The art does not go with flowing grass. Sticks of grass jammed into the ground that move uniformly actually work IMO with the art style. The art style is unique and it flows throughout what I have currently experienced. I'm a huge anime and cartoon fan and I have a huge I mean huge comic book collection which my husband weeps over every time we  move and my son shows his friends as his own (bloody poser). I can definitely get a world feeling that is very complete but again IMO you have to feel the art actually like it I mean to see how very well done it is. The over the top colours,running animations,cute characters ,adorable props and yes even the trees and grass contribute to this art style. The quests quirkiness and dialogue it has an overall mood and atmosphere that you either hate or love like I do. It actually works together in an alarmingly crazy and wonderfully innovative style that creates a totally beautiful world.

 

So OP I happen to think the art is very nice . They have an immersive world that has lore if you bother to read and I am sorry that you do not get it though. The art is polarizing ,it's either love or hate and no in betweens.

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  Hardcoded

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Joined: 9/24/09
Posts: 95

"Life is a joke, stand around and you'll miss the punchline."

5/24/14 5:24:27 AM#60
What one man calls "Art" another man calls a turd on a canvas. It's all in the eyes of the beholder. If you don't like the "Art" of the game, move along and stop complaining.
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