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  User Deleted
5/21/14 11:39:36 PM#21
Originally posted by darkedone02
I hope Zenimax loses as they been harassing people left and right recently this year and last year.

What if they have a legitimate complaint?  Should they just lose on principle or something?

  User Deleted
5/21/14 11:40:54 PM#22
Originally posted by BMBender

You guys don't get out much do you? News almost a month old....
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/411735
What couldn't figure out how to get animated cleavage on the news ticker?

Actually, that is from when they stated their intention to sue.  It's hitting the circuit again today, and considered news, because they actually sued (filed the papers and such).  Shit just got real, so to speak.

  Torvaldr

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5/21/14 11:47:43 PM#23
Originally posted by BMBender

You guys don't get out much do you? News almost a month old....
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/411735
What couldn't figure out how to get animated cleavage on the news ticker?

Did you even RTFA?

Zenimax has filed suit. Oculus has also responded saying they will fight it. Here is another link: http://kotaku.com/zenimax-sues-oculus-1579689844

Zeni thinks they have a solid suit or they probably wouldn't have filed. Oculus thinks they're right or they would have settled by now. I think we'll see something like the latest Apple versus Samsung where they both won some of their points and lost others. It will be costly.

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  Hokie

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5/22/14 12:02:44 AM#24
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by BMBender

You guys don't get out much do you? News almost a month old....
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/411735
What couldn't figure out how to get animated cleavage on the news ticker?

Did you even RTFA?

Zenimax has filed suit. Oculus has also responded saying they will fight it. Here is another link: http://kotaku.com/zenimax-sues-oculus-1579689844

Zeni thinks they have a solid suit or they probably wouldn't have filed. Oculus thinks they're right or they would have settled by now. I think we'll see something like the latest Apple versus Samsung where they both won some of their points and lost others. It will be costly.

Yeah, I have this feeling that Zeni will be able to solidly back some of those allegations, but not all. Which is why Occulus is saying no we wont budge.

Id almost bet it doesnt even get that far into litigation before they come to some kind of agreement.

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  BMBender

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5/22/14 12:19:12 AM#25


Originally posted by asmkm22

Originally posted by BMBender You guys don't get out much do you? News almost a month old.... http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/411735 What couldn't figure out how to get animated cleavage on the news ticker?
Actually, that is from when they stated their intention to sue.  It's hitting the circuit again today, and considered news, because they actually sued (filed the papers and such).  Shit just got real, so to speak.

As an update to an existing story sure; Zem said they intended to pursue legal action in back early May. A story by the WSJ, witch most game rags carried (except MMORPG). This story is merely a "yup they did it like they said they would" not something out of the blue like MMORPG is presenting it as.

  BMBender

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5/22/14 12:26:34 AM#26

Nevermind I retract my earlier statements MMORPG did carry the original story; musta missed it. http://www.mmorpg.com/newsroom.cfm/loadNews/31031

  Phry

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5/22/14 12:33:53 AM#27
It looks to me like Zenimax have sealed their own fate. Whether they win the case, which is extremely doubtful, or not, they will forever be perceived now as a dodgy company, whether this in turn will hurt Bethesda, remains to be seen. But one thing for sure, for Zenimax, it really is all downhill from here, it doesn't matter how much pressure their investors are putting on them to recoup their money, some things just never get forgiven, nor forgotten. They gambled and failed and now they try this.
  Milander

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5/22/14 12:36:17 AM#28
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by darkedone02
I hope Zenimax loses as they been harassing people left and right recently this year and last year.

What if they have a legitimate complaint?  Should they just lose on principle or something?

If they had a legitimate complaint they should have made it after the kickstarter (or during) or maybe when the grape vine started buzzing with the FB purchase...Not long after the purchase happens and the dust settles.

  Phry

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5/22/14 12:42:13 AM#29
Originally posted by Milander
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by darkedone02
I hope Zenimax loses as they been harassing people left and right recently this year and last year.

What if they have a legitimate complaint?  Should they just lose on principle or something?

If they had a legitimate complaint they should have made it after the kickstarter (or during) or maybe when the grape vine started buzzing with the FB purchase...Not long after the purchase happens and the dust settles.

That was before ESO failed though, now they have investors with 'issues' to deal with. Money changes everything.

  Rollgunner

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5/22/14 12:59:48 AM#30
Originally posted by Milander

If they had a legitimate complaint they should have made it after the kickstarter (or during) or maybe when the grape vine started buzzing with the FB purchase...Not long after the purchase happens and the dust settles.

They were asking for compensation via a formal business agreement two days after the Kickstarter campaign started, which was pretty reasonable since according to the ZeniMax contract signed by Oculus, Oculus was not allowed to publicly use the hardware and software that they developed together without each others' consent, which Oculus did in the video for the Kickstarter campaign.

  Dreamo84

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5/22/14 7:57:53 AM#31
Lol ya I'm sure ESO has anything to do with this lawsuit. Oh my goodness, some people!!

  rodingo

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5/22/14 9:35:14 AM#32
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Milander
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by darkedone02
I hope Zenimax loses as they been harassing people left and right recently this year and last year.

What if they have a legitimate complaint?  Should they just lose on principle or something?

If they had a legitimate complaint they should have made it after the kickstarter (or during) or maybe when the grape vine started buzzing with the FB purchase...Not long after the purchase happens and the dust settles.

That was before ESO failed though, now they have investors with 'issues' to deal with. Money changes everything.

Sad but probably true

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  syriinx

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5/22/14 10:28:51 AM#33

looks to me like Zenimax deserves at least some compensation

It also looks like people cant handle the fact they didnt like a solid game and now Zenimax is somehow the devil.

Yes, ESO is a solid game.  Deal with it.  If you don't like it, don't play it.  I don't play it.  But stop treating it as some insult to mmorpgs because you make yourselves look ridiculous doing that.

  User Deleted
5/22/14 2:31:58 PM#34
Originally posted by BMBender

 


Originally posted by asmkm22

Originally posted by BMBender You guys don't get out much do you? News almost a month old.... http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/411735 What couldn't figure out how to get animated cleavage on the news ticker?
Actually, that is from when they stated their intention to sue.  It's hitting the circuit again today, and considered news, because they actually sued (filed the papers and such).  Shit just got real, so to speak.

As an update to an existing story sure; Zem said they intended to pursue legal action in back early May. A story by the WSJ, witch most game rags carried (except MMORPG). This story is merely a "yup they did it like they said they would" not something out of the blue like MMORPG is presenting it as.

 

You're perception of "out of the blue" must be very different than most people's.

  User Deleted
5/22/14 2:37:33 PM#35
Originally posted by Milander
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by darkedone02
I hope Zenimax loses as they been harassing people left and right recently this year and last year.

What if they have a legitimate complaint?  Should they just lose on principle or something?

If they had a legitimate complaint they should have made it after the kickstarter (or during) or maybe when the grape vine started buzzing with the FB purchase...Not long after the purchase happens and the dust settles.

The two companies have been working towards settling the issue for about 2 years now...

Here's a copy of an NDA signed by Luckey, for example.  What people don't seem to realize is that Zenimax has been working on VR tech for something like 10 years now.  They brought Carmack and got him working on their VR projects and stuff, and then he left the company to go work for OR doing VR tech.

I know that doesn't mesh well with the popular opinion here, but Zeni actually does have a case.

  CrazKanuk

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5/22/14 2:43:46 PM#36
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by Milander
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by darkedone02
I hope Zenimax loses as they been harassing people left and right recently this year and last year.

What if they have a legitimate complaint?  Should they just lose on principle or something?

If they had a legitimate complaint they should have made it after the kickstarter (or during) or maybe when the grape vine started buzzing with the FB purchase...Not long after the purchase happens and the dust settles.

The two companies have been working towards settling the issue for about 2 years now...

Here's a copy of an NDA signed by Luckey, for example.  What people don't seem to realize is that Zenimax has been working on VR tech for something like 10 years now.  They brought Carmack and got him working on their VR projects and stuff, and then he left the company to go work for OR doing VR tech.

I know that doesn't mesh well with the popular opinion here, but Zeni actually does have a case.

I'll side with you. 

 

At very least, the case has more substance than some that I've seen over the years (aka McDonald's Made Me Fat cases)

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  Torvaldr

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5/22/14 2:54:52 PM#37
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by Milander
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by darkedone02
I hope Zenimax loses as they been harassing people left and right recently this year and last year.

What if they have a legitimate complaint?  Should they just lose on principle or something?

If they had a legitimate complaint they should have made it after the kickstarter (or during) or maybe when the grape vine started buzzing with the FB purchase...Not long after the purchase happens and the dust settles.

The two companies have been working towards settling the issue for about 2 years now...

Here's a copy of an NDA signed by Luckey, for example.  What people don't seem to realize is that Zenimax has been working on VR tech for something like 10 years now.  They brought Carmack and got him working on their VR projects and stuff, and then he left the company to go work for OR doing VR tech.

I know that doesn't mesh well with the popular opinion here, but Zeni actually does have a case.

He left the company after Zeni killed VR research and product development. There are other messy gray aspects to the fight. I seriously doubt there is a going to be a clear cut winner. The Facebook purchase makes me wonder as well. I am guessing that FB realizes the potential cost to Zeni, but feels they will gain more than whatever they have to pay Zeni.

Since this isn't really a patent dispute it also makes me wonder Zeni hopes to get out of this. Sony and others have reproduced the technology without the aid of Zeni, Oculus, Carmack, or Luckey so it would seem logical that Oculus could prune any potentially infringing technology, if they haven't already, and divest themselves from any influence Zeni might have.

I can possibly see a successful damage claim paid to Zeni like Samsung had to do with Apple, but it would surprise me if there is much more to it. It will be an interesting trial to follow.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Jeleena

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5/22/14 2:58:01 PM#38
  User Deleted
5/22/14 3:03:31 PM#39
Originally posted by Jeleena

Very interesting articel on Gamasutra about this:

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/218260/5_points_to_help_you_better_understand_Zenimaxs_suit_against_Oculus.php

That is a good breakdown of the situation.  I'd like to think it will mean people stop just assuming Zenimax is trolling the little guy with a lawsuit, but most people here don't seem to care about anything beyond their initial, emotional reaction.

  Torvaldr

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5/22/14 3:10:55 PM#40
Originally posted by asmkm22
Originally posted by Jeleena

Very interesting articel on Gamasutra about this:

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/218260/5_points_to_help_you_better_understand_Zenimaxs_suit_against_Oculus.php

That is a good breakdown of the situation.  I'd like to think it will mean people stop just assuming Zenimax is trolling the little guy with a lawsuit, but most people here don't seem to care about anything beyond their initial, emotional reaction.

It is a pretty good article, but it only tells one half of the story which is unfortunate. It would have been much better to hear the contrasting claims and views from each side for the points. For example, they mention the equity stake, but fail to mention it was an non-dilutable equity stake and they leveraged that as their key to supporting development. The non-dilutable part is huge and holding that over them as leverage tool probably didn't sit well. They were trying to play a strong hand.

How this plays out in court will be very interesting. Right now both sides can make claims without real scrutiny. That will all be ending soon.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

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