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General Discussion  » Zenimax needs to add DUELING and ARENAS!

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5/15/14 12:06:50 PM#21

Arenas? Absolutely not.


If they need small scale PvP it should be a noninstanced smaller RvR zone like the DAoC Battlegrounds, not some bullshit E-sports thing that a bunch of non MMOs do way better anyway. Waste of time.


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5/15/14 12:09:51 PM#22

Every game with pvp needs dueling, plain and simple. it allows you to test pvp a bit and challenge people as individuals. Arena's wouldn't hurt world pvp either as it's very small scale.


What kills world pvp is bad design, bad rewards and battlegrounds.


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5/15/14 12:34:22 PM#23
But if they added dueling or arenas then they'd have to balance the game next. ESO can get away with a lot of balance issues with skills and characters by allowing PvP only in environment that's even more unbalanced.

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5/15/14 1:59:21 PM#24
Arenas/scenario play helped kill Warhammers world pvp. There can be only one pvp place if you want pvp to suceed.

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5/15/14 3:22:49 PM#25
Originally posted by Timzilla
Arenas/scenario play helped kill Warhammers world pvp. There can be only one pvp place if you want pvp to suceed.

This really. WAR is an excellent example of don'ts when it comes to RvR. Not saying that it was bad (still only DAoC had it better) but then it could be so much more.


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OP  5/15/14 3:36:35 PM#26
Originally posted by Vrika
But if they added dueling or arenas then they'd have to balance the game next. ESO can get away with a lot of balance issues with skills and characters by allowing PvP only in environment that's even more unbalanced.

LOL, so very true....

Sort of makes ya wonder wtf the developers were doing during the so called testing phases; especially considering Cryodiil is such a massive alliance vs alliance zone. Its basically one huge battleground. Before they include anything like battlegrounds in the future they have to balance out all the possibly class/template options so more of them are not only viable then simply a few to several choices...from the way it sounds right now there are not many effective PvP templates

Best way to balance class/template designs, is to allow players to constantly compete against each other through DUELING and ARENAS. DUELING has been a part of pretty much every notable MMORPG since they have been around.

ARENAS are not game breaking designs and Warhammer had battleground scenerios, not arenas. I played the game early on and they were quite fun and entertaining as long as your group was fairly organized and effective. Whilst Warhammer didn't win over the PC MMORPG market it could have had more success as a multiplayer console game consisting of primarily battleground scenerios including NPCs and MOBs.

ARENAS are where you pit similar team sizes against each other so players can thoroughly test out and optimize effective groups for PvP. WoW did a good job with arenas as they were quite popular and while many only participated only in arenas I do not see this as an issue, especially considering TESO is headed to console.

Zenimax has over half a year before The Elder Scrolls Online is released for Next Generation Consoles. Plenty of time to at least implement DUELING so players can help developers balance out many of the core issues with Ava as it begins and ends with player vs player.


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5/15/14 4:20:08 PM#27
You know another place you can optimize your team dynamics for pvp?


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5/15/14 6:15:12 PM#28

They already have been doing a great job of killing Cryodiil / RVR without adding battlegrounds or other forms of pvp. The combination of not gaining levels/VR in Cryodiil along with having too many campaigns has really hurt the pvp in this game, as well as the whole guest feature.

 However the worst thing is that they are really dragging their feet on these issues and not fixing these problems. 

I think they should work on cryodiil instead of adding other pvp because it does have potential.


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OP  5/15/14 8:40:00 PM#29
Originally posted by Timzilla
You know another place you can optimize your team dynamics for pvp?


How long is a PvP fight in Cryodiil?


Mere seconds


You cannot optimize team dynamics effectively enough without the proper feedback from players as there is a limited number of developers,. there is a limited amount of time developers can actually address pvp issues, there is so much to do in this game alongside of releasing timely content updates as TESO is a subscription based game.


Best way to get the proper feedback from players is to watch videos from players as proof is in the pudding and its hard to deny what your seeing. Players won't be able to capture undeniable imbalances concerning class/template skill issues in large scale battles as well as they could in DUELING and ARENAS!


Mark my words (and I have said this in the development as well as during the release of many a MMORPG and they always rang true as far as the eventual outcome; as some of us possess an uncanny sense of discerning trends and possible future of how certain events unfold based on current events and the state of things in a game as it is also part of everything transpiring in that genre at a given time); Zenimax needs to keep players interested enough to keep playing their game and if they don't address certain game breaking problems in a timely manner they could really lose alot of players in a relatively short period of time. Timing is everything and if you don't address the right issues at the right time your going to feel out of sync, and time is going to keep on going without your product in a place where you want it to be. Needless to say once a good portion of the players reach endgame content they are going to really start raising concerns on a great many facets of the game, primarily PvP as Cryodiil is one of the biggest endgame features in TESO.


I wish Zenimax the best as I have really wanted their product to succeed, yet it is no real loss as every MMORPG that releases is a success in this genre, one way or another, as it eventually brings about something each and all of us enjoy at one time or another, as we come closer and closer to the realizing the dream.


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Not sure how I got K.A.E.S last PvP was CoD and UO lol

5/17/14 6:35:10 PM#30

I got fed up with jackwads in other mmo's jumping around challenging duels after I turned on auto reject in those games. All that happened is they then jumped about demanding duels, screaming and trying to get attention.

No thanks to duels


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5/17/14 7:01:27 PM#31

No battlegrounds (cyrodil has all the pvp you can ask for, BGs get boring fast anyway)


Arena: absolutely needed and definitely goes with the ES universe/lore.

Duels: IDC either way lol



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5/18/14 7:27:50 AM#32
No arenas no dueling.  This will drive down the RVR population and for what? people can make this a fps?  no, you can go do arenas in wow or duke nuke em.  you can also duel in other games for fun, this game is about RVR.  close thread.


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5/18/14 7:42:15 AM#33
They could add arenas, but only and only if it's in Cyrodill and it would need to be a capturable objective so that you gotta work to get it.

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5/19/14 3:46:49 AM#34
I can't see the negative effect of 1 on 1 duelling in faction, so that gets a thumbs up. Arenas a thumbs down, as has been said it will badly effect 'realm' PvP.

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5/19/14 3:53:49 AM#35

To be honest I dont see how they would ever add dueling, it doesnt seem enough interest in it. I made such a thread on their official forums with pros and cons with ways to maintan the different playertypes, though only to be met by negaitivty. I bumped it for about 3 weeks but there was no interest and it died. Another part is that people would probably qq even more about imbalance 1v1.


I could see them adding arena in the future though as it would fit the lore. But given the fact that they stated there arnt any plans for any other types of PvP says a lot of the future. They plan to release content every 4 to 6 weeks, clearly they already started making some of this content (at least made plans) for the next 6 to 12 months. On top of this they have huge bugs to fix, even Craglorn the first patch has been delayed. This tells me that you wont see any new PvP in about a years time to be honest. The sole reason I quit and will be focusing on a different upcomming MMO with such basic features.


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5/19/14 7:25:59 AM#36
I concur. With arenas and dueling, I would have a reason to interact with other people. Right now I really dont.

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5/21/14 4:49:48 AM#37

Not putting in dueling and arenas was a great decision by zen.

Please choose another game for epeen PvP.  ESO requires you to follow a rp story as reason for PvP and that is great and one thuing done right in regards to mmoRPg. 

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5/21/14 8:27:21 AM#38

The same argument killed WoW open world PvP did it not?  

Sure add duels and BGs - it might be fun.  But, at least let the game age a bit so people on the 2nd month aren't sitting around capital towns queuing for BG's all day long.  Cyrodiil would die as well as any PVE questing.  

IMO Cyrodiil will be really fun and rewarding once the dungeon in the center is done.  As it stands there simply isn't that much reward for inner keep control.  (For those who don't know, they are adding a dungeon only available to the faction with inner keep control)


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5/21/14 8:34:26 AM#39
No, Zenimax needs to fix their game instead of waiting 7+ weeks to put in major patches.

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5/21/14 10:36:34 AM#40
There needs to be world PVP
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