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General Discussion  » Wildstar's PvP = Brainless Aimless PvP. Proof inside.

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  PeZzy

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5/18/14 8:29:15 PM#41

Didn't play DAoC, but I have heard many people complain that excessive CC drove people away from it.

There is no such thing as perfect PvP. It's all subjective. If you don't like it, why complain, just move on. If people don't play a game it eventually dies.

If you feel a need to complain, it's probably because many people don't share your point of view.

  Konfess

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5/18/14 8:40:02 PM#42
Originally posted by Edli
Too much lag in there and way too much visual clutter. One can barely tell what's going on. 

And that is the only difference between the two PvP videos.  The modern PvP was cluttered by Telegraphs and Particle Effects.  But it was still the same old AoEs, DoTs, and DDs that we saw back in the DAoC days.  To me there is little difference.  I don’t need the clutter, so I would like to turn it down in the game options.  But I saw no significant change in combat mechanics.

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  sumdumguy1

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5/18/14 8:45:26 PM#43
Actually want to thank the OP for this post and thread.  Never had a chance to try PVP in WS as I couldn't get past my PVE experience.  I really tried to like it and when I got to 18, I realized I wasn't going to like it.  When I hit 21, I was sure this game wasn't for me.  Never tried PVP due to some friends telling me it was fairly bad and worse than the PVE.  Hadn't really thought about it until reading this post.
  Vapors

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5/18/14 8:50:50 PM#44
Originally posted by Satsunoryu
LOOOOVE that WildStar PVP.  It makes perfect sense, is highly skill-based and a ton of fun.  It's definitely not hard to understand, once you've played it and practiced a bit.  Been PVPing over a decade and this is the most fun I've had in quite some time.  Comparing it to PVP systems like DAoC though, apples and oranges.  There's no point.

Do you mean this seriously? I love to pvp already for yeeeeeaars, and tried so many diffrent pvp games. But I must admit wildstar got a super bad pvp, theres totally no tactic or heavy gameplay feature behind.

  rodingo

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5/18/14 8:59:27 PM#45
Originally posted by Edli
Too much lag in there and way too much visual clutter. One can barely tell what's going on. 

I agree with you about the visual clutter too.  Looks like a lot of aoe button smashing.  However, out of the two videos the OP gave as examples I think the Wildstar one looks overall more fun.  I really do like the idea of warplots though.  Kind of looks to capture what made Alterac Valley fun when it first came out (before it turned into a  PVE race).  I nice mix of PVE bosses with plenty of actual players to kill as well.

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  moosecatlol

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5/18/14 9:15:39 PM#46
I prefer Black Desert for a 2014 example. Still rather imbalanced, in small scale pvp, but in siege pvp everything comes together.
  wormed

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5/19/14 1:07:05 AM#47
Originally posted by PeZzy

Didn't play DAoC, but I have heard many people complain that excessive CC drove people away from it.

There is no such thing as perfect PvP. It's all subjective. If you don't like it, why complain, just move on. If people don't play a game it eventually dies.

If you feel a need to complain, it's probably because many people don't share your point of view.

Well, at least you admit you're clueless. The reason people stopped playing DAoC had almost nothing to do with CC abilities and more to the expansion that destroyed the game by introducing PvE as a necessary requirement for advancement. Well planned and executed CC is what makes PvP in MMORPG's amazing. To have the skills and know-how for small teams to take out larger groups by knowing how to exploit and utilize CC mechanics.

  Hefaistos

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Joined: 4/09/04
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OP  5/19/14 2:07:42 AM#48

Torcan vs Wrath vs Dizzy - DAoC Mordred 2004 - YouTube
Wrath - DAoC Mordred 2004ish - YouTube
Torc PUG - DAoC Mordred 2005ish - YouTube
Validus vs Torcan vs Random PUG - DAoC Mordred 2004 - YouTube
Blood and Wine - Daoc Percival - 2004ish - YouTube

This movies shows pretty well that 10y ago pvp tactics were different. CC, assist, kill order, etc. 

Eso has some decent pvp but the problem here is you need to be VR10 and with some gear in order to succed in pvp. I mean, you can join a lvl 10 the zerg...but this doesnt mean its the best pvp ever.

GW2 was fun until the EB was so full the zerg was following you anywhere.

 

Probably Darkfall is now the only game with pvp tactics that are above this games.

  Bulldoze

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5/19/14 2:42:49 AM#49

Doesn't matter how long you've played MMO's, how much of a veteran you are, or how many OG DAoC videos you post..

OP, act your age. This post is a straight up flame because you watched a video and didn't understand what was going on. Go eat your sour DAoC grapes in privacy because these type of posts suck and make you look pretty lame

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  sinni800

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5/19/14 2:51:48 AM#50

While I didn't catch the magic of DaoC PvP that video of it had some serious lagging on some of those guys, jumping around like hell... 

That Wildstar PvP really seems like a mess of people on top of each other spamming skills... I thought with the telegraphs people would be very tactical about it :P

 

  Satsunoryu

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5/19/14 3:01:46 AM#51
Originally posted by Bulldoze

Doesn't matter how long you've played MMO's, how much of a veteran you are, or how many OG DAoC videos you post..

OP, act your age. This post is a straight up flame because you watched a video and didn't understand what was going on. Go eat your sour DAoC grapes in privacy because these type of posts suck and make you look pretty lame

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  DeniZg

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Posts: 617

5/19/14 4:57:30 AM#52
There's visual clutter in massive PvP battles? I'm shocked. Cancelling my pre-order as I type this.
  GoldenArrow

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5/19/14 5:21:04 AM#53
Originally posted by sinni800

While I didn't catch the magic of DaoC PvP that video of it had some serious lagging on some of those guys, jumping around like hell... 

That Wildstar PvP really seems like a mess of people on top of each other spamming skills... I thought with the telegraphs people would be very tactical about it :P

 

Zerg vs Zerg always looks like a "mess" no matter which game it is.

Personally I think Wildstar shines in small scale especially in the arenas.

How warplots turn out, only time will tell. The devs have been saying that the best tactics revolve around creating smaller task forces to take out the objectives instead of running in a 40 man zerg.

Wildstar does offer ranked battlegrounds, ranked arenas and ranked warplots which all give equivalent gear. You can really choose the one you enjoy the most.

  kartana

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5/19/14 7:51:19 AM#54

Even the smaller PvP has the problem that there is much much shit on the screen most of the time you don't know what is going on and where your people are. There is way too much visual clutter for that fast pace...

  Teekay

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5/19/14 9:49:09 AM#55

Looks like a spam fest at best. So much crap on the screen all the time, how can you enjoy watching that.

I checked the arenas, and they looked much the same. The WoW arenas are far superior in terms of play/tactics, and I havent't played WoW in years.

This game is basically a reskinned WoW, it amazes me the number of people you get defending average games. The same people who were fanatical over ESO are now here saying the same stuff. The exact same people who blared about how great swtor was and they had the same bgs there, all fun for a while, then pointless.

Btw, DAOC's RvR was superior in every way, it took more skill and tactics than anything i've seen since in an MMO.

To the guy who said ' Why can't we just pvp fpr fun!!!'...I always see someone post that inane statement, it doesn't work!..After the very start of WoW how many fights did you find in the openworld once the dust had settled?. Oh that's right, none. I levelled a toon from 0-80 my second time back and had exactly 1 encounter the entire time. If there's no reward/purpose for fighting no one bothers.

  Joejc7135

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Posts: 220

5/19/14 12:14:32 PM#56
Lol wow arenas are just about getting a healer to carry you while you play ring around the pillars.
  Hefaistos

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OP  5/19/14 12:24:25 PM#57

Its not about how you enjoy something like this...its about how can you notice who is who and what is he doing, when is he doing...so you know what to do?

 

If this aint brainless aimless pvp...i dont know what else can be. 

  strawhat0981

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5/19/14 12:53:48 PM#58
I just dont see the fun to be had in WS pvp.
  Lord.Bachus

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5/19/14 1:13:45 PM#59
Originally posted by sgel

DAOC PvP was awesome but there's nothing like that anymore in modern games (Please don't mention Cyrodiil).

Maybe in Darkfall? I dunno.

I like Wildstar though... even though the PvP is not like DAOC it's still a fun game.

 

 

 

 

The only thing that makes DAoC PvP so good, is the sweet memmories we have about the good things, and the fact that humans tend to forget about the not so good when they had a generally positive experience.

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  darkrain21

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5/19/14 1:19:02 PM#60
I didnt have a problem figureing out what was going on in the pvp. I could pick out classes based on telegraphs and why so much rage on the 40v40. Alterac Valley has been doing it for years. And all of a sudden 80 people is to much? GW2 RVR ring a bell? 
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