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General Discussion  » The last great hope for the MMO Genre.

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5/16/14 2:25:37 PM#21
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by DMKano


No even close to last hope.

Some unknown indie game will probably revolutionize the genre and make EQN seem like a joke.

IMO SoE will never again make a game that will be as good as good and revolutionary as EQ1(which wasn't even an SoE game) - that was their pinnacle.


Verant and 989 were always owned by Sony.. Why do you think QEynos is Qeynos? Spell it backwards once...

No SoE did buy EQ1 and they put their touches on it (how many I do not know), but the staff that made the game, a lot of them kept working for SoE. Some of them are working on EQN as well. 

.Verant was always a sony company.. They were brought into the SOE brand later..


Verant Interactive


Headquartered in San Diego, California, Verant Interactive was a game development studio primarily focused on the production of online games. The company is best known for the MMORPG EverQuest. Verant was formed as a development venture inside Sony (and its interactive/online production arm, Sony Interactive Studios), and was spun off as its own design team shortly after the release of EverQuest. The team still always kept itself closely aligned with the operating entity that became Sony Online Entertainment, and was acquired by the company in June of 2000. The developer became fully absorbed into SOE as its core internal design studio and now no longer operates under its original name.

Hmmm well maybe you should read THIS!!!!

In April 1998, Sony Online Entertainment (SOE) was formed by merging parts of Sony Online Ventures with Sony Pictures Entertainment. Within a matter of months after this change, Sony Interactive Studios America was renamed 989 studios.  Towards the end of 1998, 989 Studios shifted its strategy to making only Playstation console games.  The company's computer game and online development branch spun off, initially named RedEye Interactive, and then soon after renamed Verant Interactive.

Just to question the philosophy. Army of Socrates.


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5/16/14 2:29:47 PM#22
No!  I think the Warhammer 40k mmo is the last great hope for the mmo genre... or black desert... so hard to choose sometimes...

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5/16/14 2:32:05 PM#23

If you think this "action" combat, p2w single player mmo is the last hope, you should be giving up right now.


This game is going to bomb.


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5/16/14 2:32:51 PM#24
If doing nonsensical cartwheels and flips with every jump is the last hope for the genre then I'm pretty sure we are all screwed.

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"I shall take your position into consideration"

5/16/14 4:30:15 PM#25

I am afraid that no AAA MMO will ever bring the revolution many RPG players want due to vicious circle of huge costs requiring attracting large number of customers in order to generate budgeted profit levels.

Games aiming at attracting masses are highly likely to be casual, shallow games granting instant gratification.

I think even Minecraft is much more interesting and fresh game comparing to the new AAA MMOs like Wildstar and TESO for example.

I think that EQN includes number of innovative features, but those few videos they published already indicate what type of game it will be.

Not trying to bash the game. I am sure it will have its fans. Just explaining why I probably wont be among them.

Also I agree with what the person above said with EQN being the last hope until it gets released.

Waiting for L2 EU Classic


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5/16/14 4:35:57 PM#26
Last great hope, or latest great hope?

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil


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Knowledge is often mistaken for intelligence. That is like mistaking a glass of milk for a cow.

5/16/14 4:38:43 PM#27
From what I have heard and read. I hope the game is all that it claims to be. It'd be nice to play a unique MMO for a change. 

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I'll kick your a**e so hard, you could build a swimming pool in the footprint!

5/16/14 4:39:30 PM#28

Captain Hyperbole returns!

What did you say about Neverwinter again?


This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!


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5/16/14 4:42:57 PM#29

You guys really need to cut it out with this 'savior of the genre' crap. You're ruining otherwise good games by placing them on such a ridiculous pedestal. Games like EQ1 were so interesting back then because the genre was still new. We had no idea what the genre was, or what it would become. The genre isn't new anymore. It may not be everything to everyone, but there are numerous reasons for this, some of which being harsh truths we still refuse to accept.

There will be no 'savior of the genre'. For one, the genre doesn't need saving yet. It still makes tons of money, which will continue to drive productions. Secondly, There has been innovation in the MMO genre. Quite a bit of it, over quite a long time. The catch is that we, primarily, have rejected the bulk of it. We scream for innovation and then bash it for being different / not having more of the same. It's an annoying trend that has been happening for years, and not just inside MMOs.

That is the primary reason we have so many cookie-cutter games. We drive them. Like any business games have to go where the money is, and we have shown that the money is NOT in innovation.

EQN will probably be a good game. It will certainly have some innovations within it. But don't go expecting the game to solve all your issues with MMOs by itseelf, before it's even had a chance to become a real game. It has potential, but it also has a lot of issues it will need to work out. It can also very easily turn into a game based entirely around gathering resources. Which will be fine for some, but a lot of people don't really enjoy that.


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5/16/14 4:44:57 PM#30
Originally posted by p4ttythep3rf3ct

I too hope for a bright future.  EQ was my first...wouldn't mind a prodigal return to EQN. :)



Excellent use of the parable "The Prodigal Son".

U.O. was my first...E.Q. began my obsession.

Back in the day I even named my dog "Fippy Darkpaw" and tried giving everyone I encountered that was driving too slow in traffic a "S.O.W."

I relied heavily on a "Breeze" when coffee didn't quite do the trick.

Man I'm OLD!

Please E.Q.Next....don't blow it....please.

It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.


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5/16/14 4:50:14 PM#31
No, because there is Lineage Eternal.

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5/16/14 4:50:23 PM#32

It is hardly the last great hope for the genre, there are other devs then SOE trying new ideas as well, Undead labs is one example. Massive online games just have too much potential for it to die down.

But sure, it would be great if the game is fun and reboots the genre into something new. :)


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5/16/14 4:50:35 PM#33

To the OP:

Yeah, right.

I heard the same thing about TOR, ESO, GW2, AOC, and on and on...

And none of those games lived up to such expectations, and most fell flat.


EQN will be additionally constrained by the need to have their game play on console, and it is designed to do that and be that from go.

And then is EQN also being developed by SOE, who has not put out a good game in many years, AND is saddled with a terrible reputation in the MMO/gaming community. More rocks in the backpack.

For EQN to overcome all of that, and end up being just good, never mind great, would take nothing short of a miracle.


I just don't see it happening.



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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

5/16/14 5:02:21 PM#34

I don't think it looks very good for SOE.I can just point to Twitch TV and there are mounds more viewers and users in the aged Minecraft section than Landmark.Soe several years back garnered a bad reputation and Smedley has done nothing to remove that bad rep,he is ever bit as sneaky as he has always been.

IMO SOE needs to remove Smedley and get someone that is perceived by the investors and the public in a much better way.

IMO SOE still puts out good products but Blizzard si still the one reaping all the rewards,geesh Blizzard could make money selling rainwater.

It really is not all about quality it is imo more about perception which leads to a large following.

I personally think Next will be a good product but it will not profit as much as SOE would hope it does.I have already seen enough of the design to know it  has flaws in it's design as well as some good things.The class design is imo very weak and will be a major factor in not enticing me to play.
Samoan Diamond


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5/16/14 6:53:27 PM#35

While I really like what I've seen concerning the classes, I do agree that Smed needs to take a backseat in things he isn't passionate about.

Watching him talk about EQ/EQN compared to H1Z1 is night and day. He loves to kill and destroy. His personality and opinions fit in perfectly with the more "hardcore" PVP crowd (DayZ).

Dave Georgeson on the other hand seems really into what he is doing with Landmark/EQN. Building, creating, socializing, making a virtual world, etc. If you can get past the smile =)

While it is nice Smed does AMAs and interviews shedding a bit of light on SOE's future, it is unfortunately that he still brings all the past baggage with him that while the newer generation might know it, there are still plenty of us that do.


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5/16/14 6:55:04 PM#36
Originally posted by goozmania

If you think this "action" combat, p2w single player mmo is the last hope, you should be giving up right now.

This game is going to bomb.

I just ran inside, I heard the sky was falling...

Can't believe you didn't throw in WoW clone, disney, easymode, or any other unfounded crap lol.


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5/16/14 7:01:20 PM#37
Originally posted by azzamasin

While I didn't start with the original Everquest I did know about it's existence while I was playing Asheron's Call the same year both released.  While I didn't find anything I would consider "my thing" about original EQ, it did 10 times better in numbers then my beloved AC.  It also ushered in the great MMO genre beginings, seeing as it was the first commercial success and relative household name.


I hope this same history will work with its newest MMO.  As a huge proponent of Innovation and uniqueness in the Genre It is damn refreshing to see EQN go away from the EQ/WoW model that has stymied this genre for far to damn long.



Here's hoping the EQN Revolution ushers in a new game changing, genre defining MMO.  Because sadly if it doesn't I can almost assuredly see me never looking into this genre again.  For me this is the last hope and the final nail in the coffin.  I have been without an MMO for far too long and I couldn't take another failed MMO.


Get it Right SOE!

I sure hope so because the last few MMOs that came out had a great concept but still didn't deliver. WOW was great for 10 years and all but now its just reached its peak so its time to move on from that. But I have tried everything like Rift, SWOTR, Elder scrolls online, Wildstar etcs and nothing captures me like MMO's used to. I sure am hoping with you that SEO pulls off Everquest Next because I would like to make it the game I play for in the next few years. 

I would give you a guest pass to SWOTR, but then I wouldn't be able to find a way to live with myself afterwards....


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5/16/14 7:15:55 PM#38

I've said this before.

Until this genre falls flat on it's face...........utterly,

We are going t oget more of the same. and only worse. Smed is clueless and will say anything to get anything. Just look at his statement about H1Z1 being a SWG successor. He is so out of touch with the player base, he can't even deliver a cold pizza 2 hrs late let alone the miracle MMO to save the genre. He's already made it clear he's not after the current MMO market but doing the same thing that all the developers and publishers ahve been doing since WOTLK. trying to appeal to the biggest crowd they can possibly reach by piling on watered down features they think will have mass appeal but really don't

Hey maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it.


Also, I think their Alpha and Beta paid access will kill this game before it even launches. The longer this game takes to develop, and the longer players are in the test phases for EQN and Landmark, the sooner these games are going to be played out. people will tire of them even before they release.


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5/16/14 10:01:25 PM#39

In my opinion there is too much damn mmorpgs out there.......its like this if all you taste throughout your life is water, then water would be beautiful for you...however if you taste soda/juice or any other artificial beverage out there you would like those better.

everyone loved EQ and UO but during those times there wasnt much choice was there? you HAD to like it because there is no other. These times are different though...there is sooo much to choose from that you just cant stay with one mmorpg for more than a month or 2 and you end up like a resource bot stuck between 2 ores. And explode...with nothing to play.


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5/16/14 10:07:06 PM#40
I hope EQN is a great success, lots of great ideas in there. ESO got me back into the mmo genre, so I'll keep playing that until I find something that does more for me.
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