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  CrazKanuk

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5/13/14 2:40:08 PM#121
Originally posted by FlyByKnight
Originally posted by Derros
Originally posted by FlyByKnight

I got an idea, how about one of these developers prove people wrong? Until that happens nothing will change.  The consumers have every right to be cynical and skeptical.  These developers are blatantly on rails with the things they do, and one can't help but make bets.

 

The funny thing is I got to sit down and play Archeage on a friends rig. THAT game proves that the features and little details people want to see in their MMORPGs are doable. I was taken back by how many things there are for people to do.  If the questing wasn't so dialogue skip worthy and the combat wasn't tab targeted I'd call it a 9/10.

 

Knowing that a game can have the attention to detail and challenge people want from playing the above, why shouldn't I be cynical when big companies like Bethesda, & Sony, NCSoft can't get it right? Why shouldn't people bet on a game going F2P when they are rushed we're used to rushed P.O.S. status quo games. 

 

We're not poisoning the well, the developers and publishers are and they're laughing to the bank doing it.

 

People do have a right to be cynical and skeptical, but they still dont change their behavior based on that cynicism or skepticism.  

 

The companies don't change their behavior and practice because the people are spending money WHILE being cynical and skeptical.  It's like deep down we all have some glimmer of hope that we're wrong but know the reality is we'll be let down but we'll risk it. I blame this on the developers as well, with their vague marketing, half truths, magic bean selling, P.R. powered Q&A sessions, and home cooking with media outlets *cough*mmorpg.com*cough*.

Yeah, if I was Spiders and gave MMORPG so much money (for real), only for MMORPG to turn around and give me a bad review, I'd be seriously pissed. /sarcasm 

Crazkanuk

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  Lawlmonster

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5/13/14 3:36:02 PM#122

Write a post about truth in media, have it censored or removed. I wish I could make this shit up.

 

Good work.

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  CrazKanuk

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5/13/14 3:54:40 PM#123
Originally posted by Lawlmonster

Write a post about truth in media, have it censored or removed. I wish I could make this shit up.

 

Good work.

Well if it's truth then back it up with facts. You do an awful lot of talking about journalistic integrity, but do nothing to substantiate your facts the way you supposedly want journalists to. 

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  Gilgamer

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5/13/14 4:11:49 PM#124

Feature creep can kill a well intended game and poorly implemented features are a double curse because they frustrate the user and steal resources from other areas of development.  Vanguard is a good example of a game probably killed by it's overly ambitious feature list.  I think it's ok to have a game that launches with a short feature list as long as the devs are clear about what features they intend to amend to the game after launch, and whether those features will be free or part of a paid expansion and whether or not they have a defined time table.

Players want features but they also want quality.  Unfortunately only the largest developers can usually deliver on both.  And some games from huge developers only gained most of their features over several expansions and others games are now forced to launch with those features to compete.  I have a new  car to sell you, it has no stereo, no power windows, no gps, no cruise control, and only comes in one color, but it's a ton of fun to drive, has a powerful engine, has no miles, and will take you anywhere.  Would you buy it?

In short, gamers should probably shorten their list of must have features, but insist those be implemented flawlessly and devs should hold back the tide of hype and feature creep, but be open to adding features alongside content as the community consensus dictates.  Be aware though that some features cannot/should not be tacked on after the fact (PvP, seamless world, crafting) but others can be (mounts, naval combat, housing, etc.,). 

  BadOrb

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5/13/14 4:27:32 PM#125
Originally posted by Derros
Originally posted by Karahandras
Originally posted by stevebombsquad
Originally posted by Karahandras
Originally posted by stevebombsquad
Originally posted by BearKnight
Originally posted by Torvaldr

The article contradicts itself from start to finish. On one hand we shouldn't roll over and accept whatever is thrown our way. On the other we shouldn't over scrutinize. What exactly should happen? How should we not roll over and throw our money away if not through questioning and scrutiny.

The author uses ESO as an example. The game wants nearly $250 from a customer for the first year of play. Unless one has a couple hundred bucks to burn why wouldn't scrutiny be in order?

In a business industry worth billions where a single title is expected to gross over $100M per year scrutiny down to the microscopic is in order. When there is that much money changing hands, ethics tends to take a distant back seat especially if ones job is on the line.

I would also question whether the well is actually being poisoned or not. The author makes the claim but then never really proves it. I can think of a counter-example: SW:TOR. If there was ever well poisoning in progress it was with that title after release, yet here it stands now possibly the most successful (financially and estimated player counts) western mmorpg after WoW. Prove to me the well has been poisoned.

There is no proof whatsoever that is it the "most successful western MMORPG after WoW". EvE has proven it has more sub numbers per month paying $15 each than SWTOR has in F2P contributions. 

 

EvE is currently the best "Western" MMORPG on the market currently according to actual subscriber numbers they released unlike SWTOR whom "fluff" their numbers with accounts that are no longer active.

No, that isn't the case. SWTOR made just shy of $140 million in microtransactions alone last year. That doesn't include income from subscriptions.

can you provide a link for that number please?  I mean an official link not just to something made up by fanboys/marketers as all i can find from ea is that their revenue doubled after release of f2p but that doesn't really mean much(aoc had 5x after f2p).

Google SWTOR microtransaction revenue and pick from any of the numerous MMO and gaming news sites that reported it. Doesn't take much to find it.....

So that's a no then?

there's this one.  http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-01-20-league-of-legends-2013-revenue-topped-USD600m-report

It was ridiculous of him to ask for one as this very site had a huge news article about the amount of money micro transactions make in games. I think SWTOR was 7th and wow 6th  All the games above them where pure F2P games without subbs , so yes at the end of 2013 SWTOR made the most money for a western MMO with a subb other than WOW , fact. Next time tell him don't be lazy and keep up with the times that was 2013 and we are almost half way through 2014.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

 

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  syriinx

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5/13/14 4:33:06 PM#126

This thread is both hilarious and pathetic at the same time.

 

First off, the article was not written by Bill Murphy or Mike B or Suzie Ford.  its written by a freelance contributor who does columns about the social and community aspects of MMORPGs.  Shes not out to sell games or inform us on games, just to discuss community aspects of MMORPGs.  Furthermore, its a COMMON opinion to like ESO.  It might or might not be the majority opinion, but a LOT of people feel the way she does about the game:  it has flaws but its more good than bad and its an enjoyable game.  She certainly did not give the game a ringing endorsement and draws attention to the fact a lot of people dont like it.  It doesnt read like a pro ESO article to me at all.

And her points are clearly valid given the response in this thread.

People talk about developers and publishers and their evils, but as someone who has been in the genre since 2000 I can say the biggest negative change is the player base.  There is a portion of the player base that is loud, rude, and devoid of logic and common sense.  That portion is significantly more noticeable than it was in the early days of the genre.

As an example of what developers have to deal with:

two of the major criticisms agains Rift at release were tiny world and leveling was too fast.  They tried to fix that with Storm Legion.  And now everyone screams that its grindy with wasted space.  Now Trion didn't knock it out of the park with the zone design in SL, but they are NEVER given credit for doing what people asked for.  Myself included, as i said Im part of the problem and I am especially hard on Trion (mostly because I feel rift is so close to being a great MMORPG yet so far, for me).  But people will always harp on the negatives and usually take the positives for granted.

ESO is one of the few games to move away from three tree progression (even ArcheAge sticks to three trees), contains open world dungeons (yet people want to harp on how quest caves are reused), is generally considered a great looking game (this takes up tons of resources), has a good story...yet if someone likes it its an offense to mankind?

  MMOGamer71

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5/13/14 4:59:02 PM#127
Originally posted by syriinx

This thread is both hilarious and pathetic at the same time.

 

First off, the article was not written by Bill Murphy or Mike B or Suzie Ford.  its written by a freelance contributor who does columns about the social and community aspects of MMORPGs.  Shes not out to sell games or inform us on games, just to discuss community aspects of MMORPGs.  Furthermore, its a COMMON opinion to like ESO.  It might or might not be the majority opinion, but a LOT of people feel the way she does about the game:  it has flaws but its more good than bad and its an enjoyable game.  She certainly did not give the game a ringing endorsement and draws attention to the fact a lot of people dont like it.  It doesnt read like a pro ESO article to me at all.

And her points are clearly valid given the response in this thread............

So what you meant to say is that the Social and Community freelance writer for MMORPG.com should have had an entire article about how non social and community broken Phased questing is in an AAA multimillion dollar MMO released in 2014 is and how it is unacceptable.................right?

  dave6660

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5/13/14 6:22:45 PM#128

So if I write about how I like a game, I'm a "fanboy".

If I write about how I dislike a game, I'm a "hater".

Now if I write any criticism about a game, I'm "poisoning the well".

What can I write on a game forum that does not get me branded somehow?

"Why so serious?"
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  Adamai

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5/13/14 8:39:32 PM#129
Originally posted by SBFord

MMORPGs have come a long way from the time when choices were few and the announcement of a new game was something people generally got excited over. These days, it seems like the announcement of a game in development is opening the gates for an mass game of ‘let’s predict what will go wrong with this project before it even launches’. While there’s nothing wrong with discussion or debate, the rise in social media and various platforms granting voices to the community seems to have also led to a sour edge to it all. 

Read more of Christina Gonzalez's The Social Hub: We Must Stop Poisoning the Well.

very single minded of you.. its this mentality thats aloud the game industry to continue ti produce sub par money grabbing products with no inovation...     almost all new games in the last 10 years ag the same thing!! are you sure your enjoying the games you play ?? i know im not and i know the majority of the gaming community isnt either.. we need to keep beating games down until developers start thinking about the prodcuct and customer satisfaction once again rather than profits and wallets.    the well is just a well.. a pile of bricks stacked up so high with a stagnant pool of water at the bottom. the well is the perfect descripion for the current games market..  identical bricks tightly packed together all holding the same content and product.  

  syriinx

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5/13/14 9:29:00 PM#130
Originally posted by Adamai

 are you sure your enjoying the games you play ??

Of course I am, otherwise I wouldnt be playing them.

 

I would love a good PvE sandbox, like SWG but fantasy instead of sci fi.  But i am enjoying playing games like EQ2, WoW, and SWTOR and Im very glad all three games exist.

  OldMMOGamer

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5/13/14 11:15:42 PM#131
Totally agree with OP, most of the haters as I have stated before, have so many complaints and predict so much doom but at the same time have ALL the answers.  There is no way they can enjoy anything and really make themselves miserable in anything they do.
  Damedius

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5/14/14 12:01:04 AM#132

The problem isn't with the games being released. The problem is the vocal minority in the mmorpg community.

These people will never stop poisoning the well because they will never find the perfect game they are looking for.

They generally speaking are miserable and dislike their lives. They seek a game that can replace their life. A game that they can play 24/7 to avoid reality. Any game that can't keep them entertained 24/7 for the rest of their lives will fail.

  GeezerGamer

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5/14/14 3:02:47 AM#133
Originally posted by dave6660

So if I write about how I like a game, I'm a "fanboy".

If I write about how I dislike a game, I'm a "hater".

Now if I write any criticism about a game, I'm "poisoning the well".

What can I write on a game forum that does not get me branded somehow?

I'll quote it to you

"                "

That about covers it.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  jesad

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Think of something witty and pretend that I typed it in this spot :)

5/14/14 6:09:51 AM#134
Good article.

  Asm0deus

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5/14/14 6:18:20 AM#135
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by dave6660

So if I write about how I like a game, I'm a "fanboy".

If I write about how I dislike a game, I'm a "hater".

Now if I write any criticism about a game, I'm "poisoning the well".

What can I write on a game forum that does not get me branded somehow?

I'll quote it to you

"                "

That about covers it.

Haha seems about right, lately using about any words in this forum can offend someone and see you reported/branded no matter how accurate it is.

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5/14/14 7:33:23 AM#136

-The worst part about this article is this...

 

It reminds me of that techno song that has a monotone guy saying "We must quit poisoning the well" while the bass is booming and there are weird political speech clips going in the background.

 

The 90s were fun.

  edgeaudio

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5/14/14 10:06:44 AM#137

Poisoning the well? Thing is the well is has been giving us putrid smelling dirge for the past 10 years, time to find a new well. It would help if the companies mining the well stopped putting the putrid smelling dirge into fancy packaging and telling us it is the sweetest of the sweet tasting thing.

Basically I believe the companies bring this on themselves with all the hype and NDAs. Look at AngryJoes review of ESO, what they promised and what they delivered in the daedric invasion... made me lol anyway. And this goes back years. I remember warhammer online promising the world via dev interviews and in reality delivered very little. Age of Conan was just dire after tortage.

Switch and bait is what needs to be stopped.

Or how about delivering a decent game that would be nice too.

  User Deleted
5/14/14 9:15:31 PM#138
Originally posted by Torvaldr

I would also question whether the well is actually being poisoned or not. The author makes the claim but then never really proves it. I can think of a counter-example: SW:TOR. If there was ever well poisoning in progress it was with that title after release, yet here it stands now possibly the most successful (financially and estimated player counts) western mmorpg after WoW. Prove to me the well has been poisoned.

LoLoLoLoL

As for the aricle, when they start making good games again it wont matter. If MMOs arent viable as a product they should stop being made.

BUT, thats far from the truth, truth is that making WoW wannabes (aka WoW clones) have poisoned the well themseves, players are merely pointing at poisoned well, and there wouldnt be a happier bunch if the well is cured.

So to author: youre pointing your finger at wrong direction.

 
 
  Scot

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5/15/14 5:36:27 AM#139

Over the years MMO design strategy shifted to trying to make everyone happy. UO, EQ, EvE and WoW are very different games. Rift, SWTOR, GW2 and FF are much more from the same template.

The result of this design philosophy is that no MMO is made for players of a certain type. MMOs are Not designed for roleplayers, those who like strategy, crafters, builders, home owners, PvP's, PvE's, explorers etc. They are a one fit design for all, players having to fall in with the template rather than the template being design for the players.

When you design a game on the basis of gameplay percentage demographics that's what you get. So we our always going to find areas of MMOs that we do not like. Current MMO design is like society only having one type of car, say a family car. Or one kind of home, lets say flats. After cramming all the players into the one design it is hardly a surprise that they start complaining.

If you try something new like TESO, which has mostly tried something old with something new, you are still going to get a lot of players who are blue. There is no perfect fit in a marriage made in MMO land.

  drakolas

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5/15/14 6:11:40 AM#140
Originally posted by Torvaldr

The article contradicts itself from start to finish. On one hand we shouldn't roll over and accept whatever is thrown our way. On the other we shouldn't over scrutinize. What exactly should happen? 

There is a middle ground between the two...

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