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  remyburke

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5/09/14 5:38:02 AM#121
During my time with Wildstar, I didn't like the way this game looked, felt or played at all.

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  Necropsie

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5/09/14 5:43:58 AM#122
Originally posted by Volgore

Carbine hasn't nearly pumped as much ad money into this site as Trion has. When Carbine stirs up some close to launch-talk by saying they have the "best damn game" it gets frowned upon even by this site's staff.

This is true i am afraid. For some reason, ESO keeps getting pumped and pumped. "Future of mmo's"  "Must play" .. But, when it comes to WildStar, everyone suddenly becomes skeptical. Only staff thread i have seen for WldStar so far was a "Sure It Will Fail But Let's Guess How Bad It Will Be And Please Go Nuts In Your Comments" article.

But again, i visit the site for forums anyway. There are much better sites out there but i keep returning back to this forums. Just like.. well, WoW :)

Stages of a new mmo: 1) It's just beta. It still has plenty of time before release. 2) It just launched. Give it time. WoW wasn't built in a day. 3) We don't need you anyway. 4) F2P announced. 5)Huge influx of players. 6) Look how much has changed. 7) Cash shop is the only thing developed lately. 8) It has been a long journey and we thank everyone who was part of it. Shutting down in 3 months. (Courtesy of Robokapp.)

  Lawlmonster

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5/09/14 5:48:27 AM#123
I took their advice and tried the game out for myself, and I can't get over how tired and reused this gameplay feels to me. I guess in some regards I have to thank the developers of Wildstar for allowing this open beta to take place, because it saved me a few bucks that I can't really afford to spend on games (not like that stops me). On the other hand, as with the development of any mainstream, themepark MMO, I feel a bit offended that the industry as a whole thinks I should like this type of experience.

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  Excession

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Political correctness is tyranny with manners

5/09/14 5:49:09 AM#124
  • “Best Housing of any MMO, ever,” Matt Mocarski - SWG did it better.
 
 
  • “We are the first ever MMO to do mount customizations (we have hoverboards in the game if you didn’t know),” Matt Mocarski - SWG had this feature.....
 
Still the best thing that can be said about Wildstar, is that its ok.

A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.

  Drayth

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5/09/14 6:17:11 AM#125

“If you are going to sell an MMO for the box price with a $15 subscription you got to give them the value. Month after month we will release more content for every play style.” – Mike Donatelli

 

Hmm. Where have I heard that before...oh yeah! Every MMO that's tried it since WoW. Now, how many of them actually followed through on it for longer than a couple months before they petered out and threw their hands up in defeat when it was too much? ...hm. I'll get back to you on that if I ever find any. SWTOR was pretty notorious about this too and we all know where they ended up. TESO tried the same thing, and people're getting to endgame and finding it's nonexistent, even less than SWTOR and Conan had initially.

 

Sounds like the same old stuff coming out of different mouths who refuse to learn from others' mistakes. "We're better! We promise! ...because we said so!" - I'll believe that when time has told the story. It's just another WoW Clone with Neverwinter/MOBA style combat. Neverwinter already did it. Same old "try to herd a couple dozen cats to kill a single giant boss" at endgame. Yawn. MMOs are generally dead these days, noone wants to innovate or deviate from the Combat-focused formula, and MMORPG.com isn't exactly countering the above case with all the non-MMOs it's posting in the "New Releases" list. I mean come on, Minecraft and other non-MMO quasi-multiplayer games have been on there lately.

  GoldenArrow

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5/09/14 6:25:55 AM#126
Wildstar ain't bad but Blade and Soul is one of the best mmorpgs ever and to be pushed back because of this makes me cringe.
  Axxar

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5/09/14 6:30:30 AM#127


Originally posted by kikosforever

Originally posted by Axxar  

Originally posted by kikosforever

Originally posted by Axxar  

Originally posted by sgel

Originally posted by Axxar  

Originally posted by Bladestrom They are optimising the game, have you guys really never experienced or understand when and how optimisation hAppens in mmorgs. Or did you jump on the whine train when this happened in gw2 too.
Elder Scrolls Online runs smoothly with a gajillion players on screen with vastly better graphics than WildStar.  
ESO uses a modified Hero engine.   Wildstar iirc uses their own engine. It's just a matter of time until they optimize it.  
That time better be short since the game launches in 10 days, not counting early access.  
    22 days until Headstart 25 until Launch :)   http://watchwildstar.com/countdowns
Ah, my bad. Hopefully there'll be a beta or trial though since there's no way I'm getting the game without being certain it's been fixed, though.  
 

First of all no1 forces you (or me ofc) to play a game. Secondly you already have the open beta and at least in WS you ll have the chance even post launch to try the game using the 7 days trial.

So thank god WS will not grab your money as other games did, only to find that you bought a game which is still in beta phase :)

Are you interested for WS? Cool, play open beta, play the 7 days trial and decide. You like it? You buy it. You dont like it? You stay away. So simple :)


Obviously I don't like it because of the terrible performance, but if that gets fixed I may be interested. Otherwise I simply "stay away" as you put it.

Currently playing: Divinity: Original Sin, FTL, Hearthstone and Skyrim.
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  Prhyme

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5/09/14 6:38:25 AM#128
Originally posted by Volgore
Originally posted by Prhyme
Originally posted by Grakulen
Originally posted by DMKano

Those statements reek of attention seeking and desperation.

When you are best at something there is no need to say it, as people are going to talk about it.

On the other hand whenever a product claims to be best...... almost never the case.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

That said. The three things they have done best (in the game, not the genre) IMO are:

Housing, Crafting, and Adventures

I'm not a fan of their dungeons. Not at all.

 

For the record: A tough guy doesn't have to tell you he is tough. You can just look at them and know.

Ah, yes so studios should just make their games and not talk about how good it is - just let the gamers randomly download and decide for themselves. 

OR, perhaps it's the real devs (those aren't community or marketing peeps) that actually think they've made something good. Of course, it's terrible that they actually talk about it on a live stream. Shame on them, right?

In addition, they told people not to just take their word for it and download it (hence the title of this article?). 

When Rift launched, this site cheered upon "we're not in Azeroth anymore". When MoP was close to launch, this site cheered upon Trion releasing the panda mount and other desperate attention seeking marketing stunts like

or the Panda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsj-A6xltmU ad clip. Even when the game failed, the F2P ad was the best thing ever.

Carbine hasn't nearly pumped as much ad money into this site as Trion has. When Carbine stirs up some close to launch-talk by saying they have the "best damn game" it gets frowned upon even by this site's staff.

I couldn't agree more. I'm especially disappointed that a certain person would bash a studio for being proud and excited about their game considering this entire site is paid for by games that do the same thing in their ads. OH, except Donatelli and Moore were talking off the cuff on a live stream - where's the bashing of Dave Georgeson from all of the bold statement's he's made on his streams? He's made some huge statements about how revolutionary SOE's products are ... can't find the diatribes against him anywhere here.

Basically what's happening is that some folks are simply looking for another reason to bash the game, which is fine - to each his own, right? WildStar is an easy target, which is fine. People can think what they want about the game but ripping them because they love their game is just grasping at straws at this point.

 

  Asamof

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5/09/14 6:48:02 AM#129

wildstar is the perfect play for 2-3 months then never again MMO

me and 95% of the games subscribers will enjoy the game this way while it lasts until the moment comes where we all collectively unsub at once, like every wow killer in history

  gunmanvlad

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Joined: 1/23/07
Posts: 97

5/09/14 7:22:59 AM#130

I'm guessing they had an Open Beta face-smash party just before filming that.

 

I think the dev team that we've seen in other videos is pretty decent however. Even acknowledging that the graphics came from them liking WoW and wanting to future-proof their visuals a bit. Or admitting to over-cating to the PvE raiders, owning up to their decisions. I will write off some of the comments as being drunk-talk. It's perfectly fine if that's how they feel (I mean, Wildstar is their baby after all), but I doubt making such pompous comments is good for their PR.

 

While I haven't tested the Raiding yet, the first dungeons are pretty hilarious and cool. They feel really good, albeit a bit shallow on the lore side for my taste.

 

I'm not sure about mount customization. I'll admit to not having seen it anywhere else in such a grandiose fashion. But honestly...do I care? No, I don't...same goes for housing...Ultra-real-life-level customization is probably best suited for sandbox games like Archeage in my view.

 

Everything else about content releases soon...I'm VEEEERY skeptical. Kudos if they deliver...but my money is not on them here.

  Tekaelon

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Joined: 2/09/08
Posts: 470

5/09/14 7:47:47 AM#131

LOL 100+ comments about some game devs boasting about their game. This really is the troll site of all time!

 

WildStar is fun TO ME. I liked WoW, and LOVE their combat. If you didn't that's OK too, right? 

  silverreign

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Joined: 6/09/08
Posts: 320

It is what it is

5/09/14 7:58:51 AM#132


Originally posted by MeridiasBeacon
meh, every time i check this game I always end up asking myself why I don't play WoW instead

because it isnt wow

  DMKano

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5/09/14 7:59:10 AM#133
Originally posted by Prhyme
Originally posted by Volgore
Originally posted by Prhyme
Originally posted by Grakulen
Originally posted by DMKano

Those statements reek of attention seeking and desperation.

When you are best at something there is no need to say it, as people are going to talk about it.

On the other hand whenever a product claims to be best...... almost never the case.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

That said. The three things they have done best (in the game, not the genre) IMO are:

Housing, Crafting, and Adventures

I'm not a fan of their dungeons. Not at all.

 

For the record: A tough guy doesn't have to tell you he is tough. You can just look at them and know.

Ah, yes so studios should just make their games and not talk about how good it is - just let the gamers randomly download and decide for themselves. 

OR, perhaps it's the real devs (those aren't community or marketing peeps) that actually think they've made something good. Of course, it's terrible that they actually talk about it on a live stream. Shame on them, right?

In addition, they told people not to just take their word for it and download it (hence the title of this article?). 

When Rift launched, this site cheered upon "we're not in Azeroth anymore". When MoP was close to launch, this site cheered upon Trion releasing the panda mount and other desperate attention seeking marketing stunts like

or the Panda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsj-A6xltmU ad clip. Even when the game failed, the F2P ad was the best thing ever.

Carbine hasn't nearly pumped as much ad money into this site as Trion has. When Carbine stirs up some close to launch-talk by saying they have the "best damn game" it gets frowned upon even by this site's staff.

I couldn't agree more. I'm especially disappointed that a certain person would bash a studio for being proud and excited about their game considering this entire site is paid for by games that do the same thing in their ads. OH, except Donatelli and Moore were talking off the cuff on a live stream - where's the bashing of Dave Georgeson from all of the bold statement's he's made on his streams? He's made some huge statements about how revolutionary SOE's products are ... can't find the diatribes against him anywhere here.

Basically what's happening is that some folks are simply looking for another reason to bash the game, which is fine - to each his own, right? WildStar is an easy target, which is fine. People can think what they want about the game but ripping them because they love their game is just grasping at straws at this point.

 

You are failing to grasp the difference between delusion (claiming to be best at all of these different things) and being proud and excited about your own product.

If you are proud and excited you would say - our combat is awesome, our raids are super complex and fun etc....

Trions claim about not being in Azeroth is silly, same with panda its dumb.

If Trion had ads claimed they were the best in every category - they would be ridiculed too.

 

The issue is not that there is a conspiracy against Carbine - the issue is what they are claiming is BS and people are calling them out.

Nobody likes a pompous dude proclaiming their kid is the best at everything.

 

  silverreign

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Joined: 6/09/08
Posts: 320

It is what it is

5/09/14 8:01:59 AM#134


Originally posted by Byrhofen
  • “Best Housing of any MMO, ever,” Matt Mocarski - SWG did it better.     “We are the first ever MMO to do mount customizations (we have hoverboards in the game if you didn’t know),” Matt Mocarski - SWG had this feature.....
  Still the best thing that can be said about Wildstar, is that its ok.

how did galaxies do it better?
how did galaxies have mount customization?

  silverreign

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Posts: 320

It is what it is

5/09/14 8:06:44 AM#135


Originally posted by DMKano

Originally posted by Prhyme

Originally posted by Volgore

Originally posted by Prhyme

Originally posted by Grakulen

Originally posted by DMKano Those statements reek of attention seeking and desperation. When you are best at something there is no need to say it, as people are going to talk about it. On the other hand whenever a product claims to be best...... almost never the case.  
I couldn't agree more.   That said. The three things they have done best (in the game, not the genre) IMO are: Housing, Crafting, and Adventures I'm not a fan of their dungeons. Not at all.   For the record: A tough guy doesn't have to tell you he is tough. You can just look at them and know.
Ah, yes so studios should just make their games and not talk about how good it is - just let the gamers randomly download and decide for themselves.  OR, perhaps it's the real devs (those aren't community or marketing peeps) that actually think they've made something good. Of course, it's terrible that they actually talk about it on a live stream. Shame on them, right? In addition, they told people not to just take their word for it and download it (hence the title of this article?). 
When Rift launched, this site cheered upon "we're not in Azeroth anymore". When MoP was close to launch, this site cheered upon Trion releasing the panda mount and other desperate attention seeking marketing stunts like or the Panda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsj-A6xltmU ad clip. Even when the game failed, the F2P ad was the best thing ever. Carbine hasn't nearly pumped as much ad money into this site as Trion has. When Carbine stirs up some close to launch-talk by saying they have the "best damn game" it gets frowned upon even by this site's staff.
I couldn't agree more. I'm especially disappointed that a certain person would bash a studio for being proud and excited about their game considering this entire site is paid for by games that do the same thing in their ads. OH, except Donatelli and Moore were talking off the cuff on a live stream - where's the bashing of Dave Georgeson from all of the bold statement's he's made on his streams? He's made some huge statements about how revolutionary SOE's products are ... can't find the diatribes against him anywhere here. Basically what's happening is that some folks are simply looking for another reason to bash the game, which is fine - to each his own, right? WildStar is an easy target, which is fine. People can think what they want about the game but ripping them because they love their game is just grasping at straws at this point.  
You are failing to grasp the difference between delusion (claiming to be best at all of these different things) and being proud and excited about your own product.

If you are proud and excited you would say - our combat is awesome, our raids are super complex and fun etc....

Trions claim about not being in Azeroth is silly, same with panda its dumb.

If Trion had ads claimed they were the best in every category - they would be ridiculed too.

 

The issue is not that there is a conspiracy against Carbine - the issue is what they are claiming is BS and people are calling them out.

Nobody likes a pompous dude proclaiming their kid is the best at everything.


 



especially when the pompous dude is right:)

  orbitxo

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Joined: 8/25/06
Posts: 1123

5/09/14 8:06:47 AM#136

will mmorpg miss my comments after June 3rd?

as i will be too involved in Wildstar to really care about any other upcoming mmos till late 2015 when 'crusader' comes out.

i wont be looking for the 'next big mmo'  nor caring about any other mmos stories or comments.

 
 
  blazehammer

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Joined: 11/29/09
Posts: 14

5/09/14 8:15:06 AM#137
Lol! I had to login just to say, the game is Terrible! Played it some months ago and it's more of the same, but worst... Sorry fanboys, but i'ts my opinion. And to me it's a shame for "professionals" to act as they are doing. Will not play it even if (or when) it go free to play.
  Nephelai

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Joined: 1/29/13
Posts: 159

5/09/14 8:15:32 AM#138
They sent me a beta key via email and I enjoyed the weekend. The next weekend I was told I had to go beg a key from one of the many gaming review sites. They lost me at stupid.
  PAL-18

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Joined: 4/14/13
Posts: 699

5/09/14 8:20:27 AM#139

  • “We are the first ever MMO to do mount customizations (we have hoverboards in the game if you didn’t know),” Matt Mocarski

http://www.ao-universe.com/index.php?id=14&pid=157

http://www.ao-universe.com/index.php?id=14&pid=63

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
On the radar : http://www.darkestdungeon.com/

  BillSussman

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Joined: 10/15/13
Posts: 29

5/09/14 8:23:33 AM#140
Its 2014. ESO ran their BETA optimized. Heck the only time it would start dropping FPS is when theres hundreds of people in CRYODIIL going at it. Why the hell can't WILDSTAR do the same? I would be pretty darn worried if i pre ordered WILDSTAR. I will be really surprised if its optimized by release date. Anyway no problem for me, no money wasted :)
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