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  tixylix

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Joined: 12/02/11
Posts: 1109

5/05/14 5:33:18 AM#21

I'm not going to pass judgement, if he really wants to get the game done, then good on him. People like to hate so much on him, but at least he is trying and you don't have hits all the time. He co made EverQuest and Vanguard wasn't that bad, he at least showed that he could ship a game, despite it being a failure. 

You fail, you learn and move on.

  tawess

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Joined: 3/24/05
Posts: 1979

5/05/14 5:40:01 AM#22
Originally posted by itchmon

i've bashed this one in the past (mainly due to the (IMHO) absurd practise of charging for forum access) i will say this:

 

might be a great way for folks to be able to pad their resume or get their feet wet in the industry.

i was about to say the same. Sounds like a great time for someone who need to get a foot trough the door. Especially if you can do it wihtout relying on it as your main source of income(seeing as you will not get paid). I´d love to try and get in on this but i lack any applicable skills outside of concept development and project lead.... And while needed i am sure they have those spots filled already. Maybe after the summer as i will be working on a few things for my master degree... Very cool but hush hush stuff =P.

 

Any way... Will be interesting to see where this goes.

Tomas Soapbox

This have been a good conversation

  cederhill

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Joined: 1/14/14
Posts: 8

5/05/14 6:12:17 AM#23

I think it is important to remember that all the original devs of the team have left the project upon learning just how badly brad had managed both the money and other improprieties.  A rep on the official face book page for pantheon spelled out some of the details of such improprieties which was subsequently followed by condemnation by various people including one of the wives of a former dev from the team.   Unfortunately brad hours later deleted all of it.... but not before screen shots were taken by various people.

http://imgur.com/ci9eXtq

 

 
 
  steelslinga

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Joined: 10/06/11
Posts: 25

5/05/14 6:32:58 AM#24

this is taken from another site and explains why this project went to s**t....

There's an interesting rumour going around the Brad pocketed more than his fair share of the original pledge money, causing several members of the dev team to leave. This is backed up by Brad refusing to use any names anywhere to confirm who is and isn't working on the title.

 

Whether or not it's true there is one thing that isn't in doubt, Brad McQuaid has absolutely no business or leadership acumen at all.

 

when asked if there was any proof to this .... a few FB posts that were dropped were removed but someone got a screenshot before they were taken off the Fb page.

 

http://i.imgur.com/ci9eXtq.jpg

  TerminalDeity

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/11/13
Posts: 78

5/05/14 7:04:23 AM#25
This is the funniest shit I have ever read in my life. You were ALL warned about this disaster in advance. If you donated, or associated with this game in any capacity, you got what you deserved.
  Vonatar

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Joined: 7/18/10
Posts: 572

5/05/14 9:01:40 AM#26
Originally posted by steelslinga

this is taken from another site and explains why this project went to s**t....

There's an interesting rumour going around the Brad pocketed more than his fair share of the original pledge money, causing several members of the dev team to leave. This is backed up by Brad refusing to use any names anywhere to confirm who is and isn't working on the title.

 

Whether or not it's true there is one thing that isn't in doubt, Brad McQuaid has absolutely no business or leadership acumen at all.

 

when asked if there was any proof to this .... a few FB posts that were dropped were removed but someone got a screenshot before they were taken off the Fb page.

 

http://i.imgur.com/ci9eXtq.jpg

This doesn't surprise me one bit. I was on the fence about funding Pantheon as I liked VG and always thought Brad had some good ideas for MMO design (e.g.  different mobs/quests for day/night like in EQ). But I read somewhere, possibly even on the KS page, that the initial funding was going to be used to pay salaries. That turned me off straight away. Sure, devs need to get paid so the game can be developed, but the original KS was for a small amount, so as a potential backer you see your cash paying people's bills and then what?

 

When I see now the references on the Pantheon FB page to building a prototype for publishers and "angel investors" and think back to the low target on KS I believe the intention all along was to make some quick cash for salaries and then try to get corporate investment for the game. Much as I don't wish any particular ill on Brad and the team, I'm glad the KS failed as this is a pretty distasteful strategy for KS backers when it wasn't stated front and centre.

 

  goozmania

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/18/07
Posts: 118

5/05/14 12:01:23 PM#27

Omfg let them make their fucking game and pull the spiked dildos out of your assholes.

 

You don't need to read articles about it. You don't need to give them money. You don't need to play the final result if there is one. Why do you insist on shitting on their dream?

  fantasyfreak112

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/20/13
Posts: 523

5/05/14 12:07:24 PM#28
Honestly I thought the KS was a success considering it had Brad's name attached to it. This game needs to be made but it never will as long as it rides on investors trusting in Brad. This project desperately needs a new face behind it while Brad works in the background.
  Nirrtix

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Joined: 1/15/10
Posts: 180

5/05/14 12:37:18 PM#29

Vontar, the whole original dev team assumed that the investor with the trust fund would come through. To assume that it was just Brad that assumed it is not correct. I agree about Vanguard it was an amazing game.

Also the Kickstarter was ALWAYS made for making the game if possible. Part of that process was to make a prototype (demo) to show investors should they need more money. MMO's take millions to make SWTOR cost around $300 million, World of Warcraft cost $40 million for just vanilla! So to assume that this was probably going to fund the game was a dream. I knew that from a start when I was an orange member.

Those of you who are on the Pantheon site know I am a mod, but other than having mod powers on the site I am an investor like the rest. I get the same investing perks etc.. Everyone just wants this game made.

As to those who are saying that noone wants an old-school slow grind MMORPG... they are thriving look at Camelot Unchained and Shroud of the Avatar. Look how much they have crowd funded. Eve online is old school it is hard and a ruthless universe. Eve online has 500,000 players and usually around 30,000 players online at a time. There is definately a demand for old-school and Pantheon.

As to the post on Pantheons facebook page. That is a rough draft of what was said by a mod member about that same situation. Brad owned up to his mistake, and I respect him for that. 

Nirrtix
ALPHAs:
-Pantheon
-Shroud of the Avatar
-Camelot Unchained
BETAs:
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  mhoward48

Novice Member

Joined: 11/07/07
Posts: 94

5/05/14 1:33:00 PM#30
Right now, despite the mistakes that have been made, and owned up too, this is the only game for me. I know they still need more investors for it. I will support it, and hope to see it get made.
 
Brad is still confident that it will be made in 3 years! He still has supporters out there that want to have this game made.
 
 
 

http://s36.photobucket.com/user/mhoward48/media/OnwYv97.jpg.html

  finnmacool1

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Joined: 5/11/06
Posts: 482

5/05/14 3:02:59 PM#31
And still the morally and ethically bankrupt  bottom feeders running this crap stain of a site push this game that will never see the light of day. Once again they prove they are nothing but a biased and propaganda site for those they have sold out to and ignore the rest.
  Nirrtix

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Joined: 1/15/10
Posts: 180

5/05/14 3:33:28 PM#32

http://www.twitch.tv/montreseur

For all those who say that noone will work on this game simply to see the game made.

This is Montreseur, one talent who has offered to work on Pantheon. You can watch him work on his own personal work. This is not for Pantheon, but it is to show you that talented designers are wanting to work for Pantheon.

 

Nirrtix
ALPHAs:
-Pantheon
-Shroud of the Avatar
-Camelot Unchained
BETAs:
-World of Warcraft
-City of Heroes
-Star Wars Galaxies
-Saga of Ryzom
-Homeworld
-Starcraft II
-Warcraft III
-Hearthstone
-Star Wars The Old Republic
-Vanguard Saga of Heroes

  hayes303

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Joined: 3/13/04
Posts: 359

5/05/14 8:56:55 PM#33
I really don't think they are going to get the required investor funding. Its one thing for fans to forgive the trainwreck of Sigil games, but I can't see a company investing millions in a project led by someone who drove that bus over the cliff.
  sludgebeard

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Joined: 11/18/13
Posts: 333

5/05/14 11:21:20 PM#34
Originally posted by Nirrtix

http://www.twitch.tv/montreseur

For all those who say that noone will work on this game simply to see the game made.

This is Montreseur, one talent who has offered to work on Pantheon. You can watch him work on his own personal work. This is not for Pantheon, but it is to show you that talented designers are wanting to work for Pantheon.

 

Exactly! Monts work is great and others are backing the game, fans of old school RPG's mostly, but the new talent is whats going to bring Pantheon to life. 

 

  User Deleted
5/06/14 12:05:20 AM#35
Originally posted by sludgebeard
Originally posted by Nirrtix

http://www.twitch.tv/montreseur

For all those who say that noone will work on this game simply to see the game made.

This is Montreseur, one talent who has offered to work on Pantheon. You can watch him work on his own personal work. This is not for Pantheon, but it is to show you that talented designers are wanting to work for Pantheon.

 

Exactly! Monts work is great and others are backing the game, fans of old school RPG's mostly, but the new talent is whats going to bring Pantheon to life. 

 

You guys are missing the point.  Brad can't manage projects very well.  I'd almost like to put him, John Appleton (greedmonger), and Uwe Boll in room together just to see what the hell emerges.

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