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General Discussion  » Diablo 3 overtakes League of Legends!

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  Yamota

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5/01/14 4:27:07 PM#41
Originally posted by WabbaWay
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by Gorwe

The mediocre game overtakes yet another mediocre game on the mediocre site...

Do you Know what I say in situations like this?

"Meh, whatever..."

Well, I don't play League of Legends but the game has more depth than 20 MMOs put together. Not exactly what I call mediocre. Not even going to talk about Dota 2.

Okay, let's get one thing straight here, Dota 2 has more depth than LoL - and I say that having played several thousand games of LoL. LoL was intentionally a dumbed-down version of the traditional DotA game because the developers of LoL didn't like mechanics such as denying kills, destructible environment and leveling stats equal to spells. Is LoL a more popular game than Dota? Yes. Is it deep? Not compared to other games out there, no. Does that mean you can't be a lot better than the other 99% who play? also no.

More depth than 20 MMOs? What MMOs? There's a wild difference between games here... Put LoL together with Dota 2 and you still can't compare the depth of the two combined with MMOs such as Eve online.

The PvP in LoL has more depth than any MMO. Reason is the 60+ heroes with greatly different skills and play styles. Eve is more a spreadsheet than a game so yeah, I guess a spreadsheet can have more depth than a computer game, but why would that matter? It is still a spreadsheet.

  sportsfan

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5/02/14 4:57:33 AM#42

1. Xfire sadly is no longer representative for anything these days. Seriously a game like COD ... 4(!) most played on PC? If you think that please go check the gaming market.

The above is ALSO the reason why I never believed the number one position for ANY game on that list as through the years the XFire user base itself crumbled to 3% of its player base over 8 years already.

I think D3 is played a LOT though and it will be played a lot, simply because it is a good game without the need to keep playing it constantly.

 

2. LOL/DOTA2 and other dotagames are too limited for LOTS of players these days though...

Let me explain: a Dota game that would have challenging  cooperative PVE content on top of the PvP would have MUCH more active players even.

LOL says they have 40 million active accounts ... But everyone knows the actual active player base is much smaller than this as they simply ignore the PVE casual base.

 

3. As a conclusion I think Diablo 3 with a PvP ranking and competition would out grow ANY traditional dota game VERY fast. The problem is that Blizzard has no clue how to deliver it (armor stats problems etc...).

Or ... perhaps Blizzard thinks they can eat from both tables: D3 for PVE and HOTS for PvP. I think they are wrong.

The D3 engine turns circles around any Dota game (that includes HOTS) and so this loss of a new possible ground breaking game mode is really bad/sad.

 

 

  Pigozz

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5/02/14 5:00:23 AM#43
lel dieblu pls

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  kairel182

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5/02/14 5:03:17 AM#44

This may be late by this point but screw it, this is so stupid it has to be addressed.

 

 

Xfire hasn't been relevant for, what, a decade?  If you truly want to track interest/popularity, check Twitch.  It's probably the best representation of popularity and over all game play, though not always accurate.  Perhaps I'm just promoting arguably the best entertainment when not playing a video game, but regardless...

 

Even if you combined all of Blizzard's games, it still wouldn't equal League...

  sportsfan

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5/02/14 5:06:18 AM#45
Originally posted by Yamota

 

The PvP in LoL has more depth than any MMO. Reason is the 60+ heroes with greatly different skills and play styles. Eve is more a spreadsheet than a game so yeah, I guess a spreadsheet can have more depth than a computer game, but why would that matter? It is still a spreadsheet.

What ? LOL has only one map and no PVE at all... Let alone a persistent world. More depth is also very questionable as SC2 offers much more options in units and possible combo constructions.

I also think that LOL is far less played than people believe (see my Xfire post above this one). It is HEAVELY played by a lot of PvP nerds though and it is popular in that circle, but of those 40 million+ accounts ever created I doubt their active player base surpasses 5 million anywhere.

It is easy too jump into but the game has no other attraction than buying heroes and go PvP ... Duh.

Why? The game is directed to the PvP crowd and that bunch of people play LONG and HARD, but they are not in the same League of players like pure casual games.

  sportsfan

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5/02/14 5:08:39 AM#46
Originally posted by kairel182

This may be late by this point but screw it, this is so stupid it has to be addressed.

 

 

Xfire hasn't been relevant for, what, a decade?  If you truly want to track interest/popularity, check Twitch.  It's probably the best representation of popularity and over all game play, though not always accurate.  Perhaps I'm just promoting arguably the best entertainment when not playing a video game, but regardless...

 

Even if you combined all of Blizzard's games, it still wouldn't equal League...

Twitch is hardly ANY relevant either. It is enough that one or two streamers or an event is shown and your game is rocketed into top 5.

So even 2 or 3 streamers can already make a difference.

Examples?: Twitch plays Pokemon Blue: top 3 for weeks.

Don't tell me Pokemon Blue is played by more than 100K worldwide in 2014 ...

 

I bet you the total number of Farmville 1/2 beats LOL with a factor of ... 10 (!) worldwide.

So Twitch is even more stupid than Xfire as the stats can depend on ONE stream.

 

@ Above the total number of Blizzard players over all their games will dwarf LOL by the same reasoning really. In fact I already think that D3 alone has more active players than LOL.

 

  Pigozz

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5/02/14 5:11:17 AM#47
Originally posted by sportsfan

What ? LOL has only one map and no PVE at all... Let alone a persistent world. More depth is also very questionable as SC2 offers much more options in units and possible combo constructions.

I also think that LOL is far less played than people believe (see my Xfire post above this one). It is HEAVELY played by a lot of PvP nerds though and it is popular in that circle, but of those 40 million+ accounts ever created I doubt their active player base surpasses 5 million anywhere.

It is easy too jump into but the game has no other attraction than buying heroes and go PvP ... Duh.

Why? The game is directed to the PvP crowd and that bunch of people play LONG and HARD, but they are not in the same League of players like pure casual games.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/01/27/riots-league-of-legends-reveals-astonishing-27-million-daily-players-67-million-monthly/

Apply cold to burned area...

Why would it need PvE?? It just doesnt make sense, its like  wanting PvE in CS

Say what you want but League of legends is one of the most complex PvP games out there, thats why the meta changes every few weeks

MMOs played chronologically:
Runescape,Lineage II, WoW,Tabula Rasa, AoC,Eve Online,Guild Wars, Rift(beta only),SWTOR(beta only),Star Trek Online
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  sportsfan

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Posts: 419

5/02/14 5:13:44 AM#48
Originally posted by Pigozz
Originally posted by sportsfan

What ? LOL has only one map and no PVE at all... Let alone a persistent world. More depth is also very questionable as SC2 offers much more options in units and possible combo constructions.

I also think that LOL is far less played than people believe (see my Xfire post above this one). It is HEAVELY played by a lot of PvP nerds though and it is popular in that circle, but of those 40 million+ accounts ever created I doubt their active player base surpasses 5 million anywhere.

It is easy too jump into but the game has no other attraction than buying heroes and go PvP ... Duh.

Why? The game is directed to the PvP crowd and that bunch of people play LONG and HARD, but they are not in the same League of players like pure casual games.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/01/27/riots-league-of-legends-reveals-astonishing-27-million-daily-players-67-million-monthly/

Apply cold to burned area...

Why would it need PvE?? It just doesnt make sense, its like  wanting PvE in CS

Say what you want but League of legends is one of the most complex PvP games out there, thats why the meta changes every few weeks

No way they have 27 million daily players. Far too niche for that number to stick.

I say: 5 million daily at best. Those are marketing figures and not proven at all.

Besides they had a total revenue of 600 million dollars in 2013. WOW alone made 900 million dollars in that year ... with a bare 7.5 million players.

Go figure... The proof is Always in the $$$ signs.

Blabla is one thing (any game these days claims multi million players): but revenue reports are the real deal.

So if they HAD 9 times (monthly) the players of WOW, why would they arrive at only 60% of the revenue with ... each Hero acquired costing 7 dollars a piece....

PR talks are BS. Always has been. The only thing that is the REAL deal is the number of dollars under the bookkeeping line.

And that says that LOL is bringing in 40% of total Blizzard revenue. Quite good, but hardly beating Blizzard games total.

---

Talking about Xfire (with COD 4 (lol) at number one) or 5 streamers on Twitch or the usual PR BS talk is quite nonsense when viewing the revenue really ...

tldr: the revenue talks truth.

  Pigozz

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5/02/14 6:06:21 AM#49
Originally posted by sportsfan
 

No way they have 27 million daily players. Far too niche for that number to stick.

I say: 5 million daily at best. Those are marketing figures and not proven at all.

Besides they had a total revenue of 600 million dollars in 2013. WOW alone made 900 million dollars in that year ... with a bare 7.5 million players.

Go figure... The proof is Always in the $$$ signs.

Blabla is one thing (any game these days claims multi million players): but revenue reports are the real deal.

So if they HAD 9 times (monthly) the players of WOW, why would they arrive at only 60% of the revenue with ... each Hero acquired costing 7 dollars a piece....

PR talks are BS. Always has been. The only thing that is the REAL deal is the number of dollars under the bookkeeping line.

And that says that LOL is bringing in 40% of total Blizzard revenue. Quite good, but hardly beating Blizzard games total.

---

Talking about Xfire (with COD 4 (lol) at number one) or 5 streamers on Twitch or the usual PR BS talk is quite nonsense when viewing the revenue really ...

tldr: the revenue talks truth.

Bro, do you even logic? You know wow is subscription based while Lol is completely free to play with 0 P2W options???

And forbes column is totally implausible

Go back to cave troll

MMOs played chronologically:
Runescape,Lineage II, WoW,Tabula Rasa, AoC,Eve Online,Guild Wars, Rift(beta only),SWTOR(beta only),Star Trek Online
Most fun: Tabula Rasa

  sportsfan

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Joined: 8/20/12
Posts: 419

5/02/14 11:58:08 AM#50
Originally posted by Pigozz
Originally posted by sportsfan
 

No way they have 27 million daily players. Far too niche for that number to stick.

I say: 5 million daily at best. Those are marketing figures and not proven at all.

Besides they had a total revenue of 600 million dollars in 2013. WOW alone made 900 million dollars in that year ... with a bare 7.5 million players.

Go figure... The proof is Always in the $$$ signs.

Blabla is one thing (any game these days claims multi million players): but revenue reports are the real deal.

So if they HAD 9 times (monthly) the players of WOW, why would they arrive at only 60% of the revenue with ... each Hero acquired costing 7 dollars a piece....

PR talks are BS. Always has been. The only thing that is the REAL deal is the number of dollars under the bookkeeping line.

And that says that LOL is bringing in 40% of total Blizzard revenue. Quite good, but hardly beating Blizzard games total.

---

Talking about Xfire (with COD 4 (lol) at number one) or 5 streamers on Twitch or the usual PR BS talk is quite nonsense when viewing the revenue really ...

tldr: the revenue talks truth.

Bro, do you even logic? You know wow is subscription based while Lol is completely free to play with 0 P2W options???

And forbes column is totally implausible

Go back to cave troll

As stated the ONLY truth out there is $$$ signs, not some PR talk and even less idiotic Forbes student posters.

----- > If LOL had 9(!) times the monthly players has as WOW than it would generate MORE revenue than WOW, subscription or not.

But it doesn't, far from it even, it had 50% ... LESS revenue than a 7.5 million player base  or 600 million dollars yearly revenue compared to 900 million revenue from WOW.

I worked in the media world: I know how these BS PR talk works.

But of course book keeping always shows the real deal on ANY product.

  nastyjman

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5/02/14 12:34:42 PM#51
Originally posted by sportsfan
Originally posted by Pigozz
Originally posted by sportsfan
 

No way they have 27 million daily players. Far too niche for that number to stick.

I say: 5 million daily at best. Those are marketing figures and not proven at all.

Besides they had a total revenue of 600 million dollars in 2013. WOW alone made 900 million dollars in that year ... with a bare 7.5 million players.

Go figure... The proof is Always in the $$$ signs.

Blabla is one thing (any game these days claims multi million players): but revenue reports are the real deal.

So if they HAD 9 times (monthly) the players of WOW, why would they arrive at only 60% of the revenue with ... each Hero acquired costing 7 dollars a piece....

PR talks are BS. Always has been. The only thing that is the REAL deal is the number of dollars under the bookkeeping line.

And that says that LOL is bringing in 40% of total Blizzard revenue. Quite good, but hardly beating Blizzard games total.

---

Talking about Xfire (with COD 4 (lol) at number one) or 5 streamers on Twitch or the usual PR BS talk is quite nonsense when viewing the revenue really ...

tldr: the revenue talks truth.

Bro, do you even logic? You know wow is subscription based while Lol is completely free to play with 0 P2W options???

And forbes column is totally implausible

Go back to cave troll

As stated the ONLY truth out there is $$$ signs, not some PR talk and even less idiotic Forbes student posters.

----- > If LOL had 9(!) times the monthly players has as WOW than it would generate MORE revenue than WOW, subscription or not.

But it doesn't, far from it even, it had 50% ... LESS revenue than a 7.5 million player base  or 600 million dollars yearly revenue compared to 900 million revenue from WOW.

I worked in the media world: I know how these BS PR talk works.

But of course book keeping always shows the real deal on ANY product.

I think the Forbes article is plausible. One thing you may have not considered is that LoL is played worldwide and is free-to-play. The barrier to entry is nil, whereas WoW has a box-price and sub.

Compound the fact that LoL is F2P and accessible, you'll have your audience--be it casuals or hardcore. And the reason why it's popular because it's currently the leader in eSports. Just look at Twitch.

Bookkeeping wise, LoL is impressively healthy for a F2P game. But I bet you it wouldn't have the same revenue if it were B2P or P2P.

  Nadia

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5/02/14 12:51:09 PM#52

month later, D3 shiny expansion worn off  but D3 is still doing well

 

LOL #2

D3   #4

https://www.xfire.com/games

 

 

 

  fivoroth

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Joined: 11/10/06
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OP  5/02/14 1:02:43 PM#53
Originally posted by Pigozz
Originally posted by sportsfan
 

No way they have 27 million daily players. Far too niche for that number to stick.

I say: 5 million daily at best. Those are marketing figures and not proven at all.

Besides they had a total revenue of 600 million dollars in 2013. WOW alone made 900 million dollars in that year ... with a bare 7.5 million players.

Go figure... The proof is Always in the $$$ signs.

Blabla is one thing (any game these days claims multi million players): but revenue reports are the real deal.

So if they HAD 9 times (monthly) the players of WOW, why would they arrive at only 60% of the revenue with ... each Hero acquired costing 7 dollars a piece....

PR talks are BS. Always has been. The only thing that is the REAL deal is the number of dollars under the bookkeeping line.

And that says that LOL is bringing in 40% of total Blizzard revenue. Quite good, but hardly beating Blizzard games total.

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Talking about Xfire (with COD 4 (lol) at number one) or 5 streamers on Twitch or the usual PR BS talk is quite nonsense when viewing the revenue really ...

tldr: the revenue talks truth.

Bro, do you even logic? You know wow is subscription based while Lol is completely free to play with 0 P2W options???

And forbes column is totally implausible

Go back to cave troll

LOL has 0 P2W options? ARe you kidding me? LoL is P2W as you can spend money to get REAL in-game advantage. Lets see, without spending money, you have an extremely limited pool of heroes UNLESS you grind for a few thousand hours and you still won't have all the heroes unlocked. Another huge in-game advantage which your money can buy are runes! Of course you can grind for ages to get these things but unless you pay you will be at a disadvantage for most of your playtime.

DOTA is the real deal! 0 P2W options.

I can't believe this thread is still going. Completely forgot about it :D Btw guys, you diss xfire and then you go on to say that twitch and raptr are better? Really? Very few people use xfire, raptr or twitch. Why would you actually use it, when they don't offer you anything worthwhile ;) Steam would be a much more objective programme if it actually included all of the major games - Blizzard games, LoL etc.

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  Aeonblades

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Joined: 10/12/12
Posts: 2123

5/02/14 1:06:08 PM#54
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by Pigozz
Originally posted by sportsfan
 

No way they have 27 million daily players. Far too niche for that number to stick.

I say: 5 million daily at best. Those are marketing figures and not proven at all.

Besides they had a total revenue of 600 million dollars in 2013. WOW alone made 900 million dollars in that year ... with a bare 7.5 million players.

Go figure... The proof is Always in the $$$ signs.

Blabla is one thing (any game these days claims multi million players): but revenue reports are the real deal.

So if they HAD 9 times (monthly) the players of WOW, why would they arrive at only 60% of the revenue with ... each Hero acquired costing 7 dollars a piece....

PR talks are BS. Always has been. The only thing that is the REAL deal is the number of dollars under the bookkeeping line.

And that says that LOL is bringing in 40% of total Blizzard revenue. Quite good, but hardly beating Blizzard games total.

---

Talking about Xfire (with COD 4 (lol) at number one) or 5 streamers on Twitch or the usual PR BS talk is quite nonsense when viewing the revenue really ...

tldr: the revenue talks truth.

Bro, do you even logic? You know wow is subscription based while Lol is completely free to play with 0 P2W options???

And forbes column is totally implausible

Go back to cave troll

LOL has 0 P2W options? ARe you kidding me? LoL is P2W as you can spend money to get REAL in-game advantage. Lets see, without spending money, you have an extremely limited pool of heroes UNLESS you grind for a few thousand hours and you still won't have all the heroes unlocked. Another huge in-game advantage which your money can buy are runes! Of course you can grind for ages to get these things but unless you pay you will be at a disadvantage for most of your playtime.

DOTA is the real deal! 0 P2W options.

I can't believe this thread is still going. Completely forgot about it :D Btw guys, you diss xfire and then you go on to say that twitch and raptr are better? Really? Very few people use xfire, raptr or twitch. Why would you actually use it, when they don't offer you anything worthwhile ;) Steam would be a much more objective programme if it actually included all of the major games - Blizzard games, LoL etc.

Steam is also bloatware ran by a company with the worst customer support I have ever seen. I'm really hoping Trion's platform that supports indie developers much better puts them off their top spot. There is no plausible explanation for the piss poor level of service Steam offers, other than greed.

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  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 20545

5/04/14 3:58:38 PM#55
Originally posted by Nadia

month later, D3 shiny expansion worn off  but D3 is still doing well

 

LOL #2

D3   #4

https://www.xfire.com/games

 

 

 

No surprise here. The game is really addicting and fun. I can keep running 15 min Nephalem Rifts.

  adam_nox

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Joined: 7/31/06
Posts: 2088

5/04/14 4:03:50 PM#56
I still don't get LoL.  Makes me sad to be a human being.
  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 20545

5/05/14 2:40:33 PM#57
Originally posted by adam_nox
I still don't get LoL.  Makes me sad to be a human being.

Why sad? One should accept that people like different things.

I don't get sports either, but sports is a big thing here in the US.

 

  Sukiyaki

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Joined: 8/14/09
Posts: 1348

5/06/14 9:28:26 PM#58

I like how Riots official player activity figures are "disproven" by some good old "facts" like estimates of Riots LoL revenue from a 3rd party private pseudo analysts company (aka superdata, which is at best falsely attributed to have 1st hand sources for these figures), simply because the estimated revenues are lower than a subscription based P2P games revenues with less active player. However that logically even connects, even if the figures where real.

And the game that remained 1st or 2nd place out of all online games (often by wide margin) on pretty much every of the otherwise usually highly praised "dozen of analyst sources and metrics" (aka xfire, raptr, amazon stats, google stats, etc) for the past year and in some cases longer, in every major market, all over the world, is now suddenly "too niche" and can't posibly have that many player.

Good old  "factual facts" and "flawless logic" to save the day. Can't have a Blizzard product be overshadowed by some filthy competition, cant we?

 

"Revenue talks truth"?  "The proof is always in the $$$ signs"? Lets have a look at $$$ signs!

1 $  =  $US 100.000.000 net revenue

WoW 2013:

$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $

WoW & D3s publisher ActivisionBlizzard 2013: all products, all categories

$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $

$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $

$ $ $

LoLs publisher Tencent 2013, online games category: all F2P, excluding social media platform VAS

$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $

$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $

$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $

How that matters? They didnt get the money from columbian druglords as "some" people/accounts like to say. Their flagship titles for this category namely are League of Legends and Sudden Attack. And they accomplished that with roots in China and East Asia and F2P games.

  Vannor

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Joined: 8/11/03
Posts: 2998

5/06/14 9:40:18 PM#59

I see the XFire rating as quite impressive tbh

It's not like it's a game where you even need to speak.. and most people play it solo, so it's obviously doing well.

  User Deleted
5/06/14 9:50:50 PM#60
I use Raptr and so does most everyone else I know. I didn't realize people even still used xfire.
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