Trending Games | World of Warcraft | Skyforge | Guild Wars 2 | Crowfall

    Facebook Twitter YouTube
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:3,024,693 Users Online:0
Games:842  Posts:6,481,575
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online AD2460 ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Ninja Anime Pirates Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord 2 Archlord X Armored Warfare Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Bionic Marine Command Online Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blackguards 2 Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodborne Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chroma Squad Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crowfall Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Cyberpunk 2077 Céiron Wars
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark Souls 2 Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deep Down Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Fin Soup Dragon Heart Online Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dying Light Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthlock: Festival of Magic Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Fable Legends Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout 4 Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken Uprising Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
GRAV GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods Rush Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Hand of Fate Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Atlan Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Immune Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online Kill Strain King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings Era Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Redemption LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Grimrock 2 Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lords of the Fallen 2 Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance Mass Effect 4 MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms Might & Magic X: Legacy MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Hunter 4: Ultimate Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mythborne Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Necropolis Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Nova Genesis Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Oort Online Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Overwatch Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pillars of Eternity Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints Pokémon X and Y PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Prodigy Project Blackout Project Gorgon Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rail Nation Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of Sierra Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Rebel Galaxy Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowgate Shadowrun Chronicles Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian South Park: The Stick of Truth Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Conflict Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Starbound Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Stormthrone Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Coast Legends Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
TERA TS Online TUG Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Terraria Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Banner Saga 2 The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Epic Might The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Torment: Tides of Numenera Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Trapped Dead: Lockdown Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Triad Wars Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utherous Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Warflare Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warriors World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles 3D Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

The Pub at MMORPG.COM  » Is it really THAT difficult to make a good sandbox mmo?

3 Pages « 1 2 3 » Search
56 posts found

Novice Member

Joined: 8/25/10
Posts: 74

"Make Ya' Famous"

5/01/14 6:25:28 AM#21
Originally posted by DamonVile

What are the great sandbox games ?

EVE, SWG ......???


Ultima Online.

After Tabula Rasa flopped, Richard Garriott went to making "facebook" games.  I hear he's back now though working on a serious title.

Willbonney, a.k.a. William H Bonney, a.k.a. William Antrem, a.k.a. Billy the Kid
"I'll make ya' famous."
"Best dollar 'n eighty I ever spent."


Novice Member

Joined: 1/27/04
Posts: 599

Take My Love, Take My Land, Take me to wear I cannot stand

5/01/14 6:34:20 AM#22

I'd have to say the only gear Sandbox games were EVE and UO while SWG grabbed it's fans it also had just as many detractors and players that quit the game around launch or not to shortly afterwards. Creating a Sandbox that appeals to everyone is difficult Sandboxes also tend to be a very time intensive style of game something that society is moving away from as a whole with mobile games and MOBA's it doesn't mean that we can't have this time intensive great gaming experiences it just seems that it's more profitable to have those experiences in single player games where you can check out and check in with the save and load options.

Until someone figures out a way to take the best of the sandbox and the best of the themepark and not make a game you have to spend 20+ hours a week on I doubt we will see that next great thing whatever it is.


Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/02/08
Posts: 1544

Let em put a slave ring thru u're nose u're prob not going to like where they're taking you. Think.

5/01/14 6:40:08 AM#23
Does Darkfall have a PvE server?

Best console game: DD Dark Arisen. Best mmo: GW2. Best game series ever: The Sims.


Spotlight Poster

Joined: 11/10/06
Posts: 3614

5/01/14 6:42:08 AM#24
There are no sandbox games except for UO which is ancient history and arguably eve if you consider that to be sandbox.

How do people know that sandbox mmos will be that much better if we have never had any of them? Are you guys talking about your fantasies hoping that some day they might see the light of day?

Mission in life: Vanquish all trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.


Elite Member

Joined: 6/17/11
Posts: 8333

5/01/14 6:44:22 AM#25


Simple answer.



Hard Core Member

Joined: 4/26/05
Posts: 1279

5/01/14 6:49:50 AM#26
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by InporylemQQ
I don't think it being hard is the problem. The true sandbox crowd is just so so so much smaller that the typical theme park or sandpark fanbase is. It's not financially wise to make sandbox mmorpg's.

I doubt that. Singleplayer sandboxes are hugely successful, like Skyrim, GTA, Sims and so on...

The reason for that is that there are many well made single player sandboxes with very varying gameplay. With MMOs you have very limited choice (if you don't like Eve you have very little choice indeed). All MMO sandboxes are for example very PvP driven (nothing wrong with PvP based games but it is still a very limited choice).

A few good sandboxes that actually differs from eachother would open up the door, we MMO players will play any good game no matter if it is sandbox, themepark or something else.

And frankly is Eve still a sandbox and one of the larger MMOs out there and considering how old it is is that impressive indeed.

Minecraft PC reaches 15M copies sold, total sales approaching 50M

Any time someone claims there is no market for sandbox I roll my eyes.


How to post links.

"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer



Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 8388

5/01/14 6:54:03 AM#27
I think it is OP. It requires original thought problem solving and planning.
J.O.B. Daggerfalls BEST Gank Crew



Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 8388

5/01/14 6:55:42 AM#28
Originally posted by DamonVile

What are the great sandbox games ?

EVE, SWG ......???


Age of Wushu, about 30 times the players as EVE world wide. It's been like this for nearly 3 years now.
J.O.B. Daggerfalls BEST Gank Crew


Elite Member

Joined: 8/19/07
Posts: 1908

5/01/14 7:00:51 AM#29
Originally posted by nilden
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by InporylemQQ
I don't think it being hard is the problem. The true sandbox crowd is just so so so much smaller that the typical theme park or sandpark fanbase is. It's not financially wise to make sandbox mmorpg's.

I doubt that. Singleplayer sandboxes are hugely successful, like Skyrim, GTA, Sims and so on...

The reason for that is that there are many well made single player sandboxes with very varying gameplay. With MMOs you have very limited choice (if you don't like Eve you have very little choice indeed). All MMO sandboxes are for example very PvP driven (nothing wrong with PvP based games but it is still a very limited choice).

A few good sandboxes that actually differs from eachother would open up the door, we MMO players will play any good game no matter if it is sandbox, themepark or something else.

And frankly is Eve still a sandbox and one of the larger MMOs out there and considering how old it is is that impressive indeed.

Minecraft PC reaches 15M copies sold, total sales approaching 50M

Any time someone claims there is no market for sandbox I roll my eyes.


I love Minecraft, but it's not exactly a sandbox mmo. Yes, it does show there is a market for sandbox, but I daresay that Minecraft has it's life extended heavily by mods, and the fact that a host can create their own server with their own rulesets.

I'm actually surprised more developers haven't started to go down this route. Create a game that is sandbox, but not hosted on an "official" single server. Allow folks to create their own spaces in these games and play by their own rules. Allow for modding that can heavily extend the life of the game, and support streamers and youtubers for your game.


Advanced Member

Joined: 5/28/04
Posts: 16

5/01/14 7:32:34 AM#30

A lot of the real issue with MMO today is nothing to do with sandbox. They are just not MMO anymore.

Because companies keep trying to cater to the perception that the gaming industry is populated by "want it now" child mentalities, the majority of games no longer have any real MMO content regardless of their theme.

There really is no MMO as such now. The genre has regressed to the C-MUD level of solo play, IE with many players all playing solo, and the social element of team play is so deprecated that people new to MMO's generally perceive them to be inferior to standalone games with better graphics and more in depth content.

MMO always was and still is about playing with other people and the excitement of cooperative teamwork. It's easy to simulate that with PvP but so many people get bored playing the same football match that the industry is killing itself with the cheap PvP solution.

Many MMO gamers are really Pioneer spirited and want to conquer the environment with other People (not just their pet or other game supplied robots). When you don't give them that level of challenge, they just drift back to your standalone, solo play game.


ESO is a classic, current example. Morrowind was a better game. It has dated graphics but better in your face atmosphere. And, many current MMO's are just as bad. What point in playing an MMO that is just a sad facsimile of a better game? MMO has to have something extra, not much less.


There is the kids' level MMO which is basically a global chat zone with brainless idiots talking crap. There is the early adult level which encourages more interactive play. There is the mature adult level that emphasises teamwork and cooperation.

Each of those is viable. Unfortunately, most games today try to cater to all three and cannot.


The only games, recently, that have tried to break that mold were AoC and TSW. With adult levels of content and immersion they could have worked, had they not both watered don their content level in one way or another. When they diluted their adult population with appeal to the younger market, they lost their niche.

I think MMO's now, to be successful in a game crowded market, have to specialise and begin with a smaller game environment to start with and, as the OP points out, should focus more on good game mechanics than on huge amounts of content.

I think that we, the gaming population of whatever age, are bored with no need for cooperation, cheap quest lines and easy victories, and that it is high time that FunCom, NC or some other hold the line company made us a game intended for intelligent players.

MMO's have become boring for me?

(login to vote)

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/31/11
Posts: 178

5/01/14 7:37:54 AM#31

It should be easy to come up with a new decent MMO: :|

1) Include world building

2) Make sure the MMO has artistic merit, that goes to show that the devs care about the world, the lore, the gameplay and the game mechanics.

3) Innovate on a genre


It is worth noting that none of these points has anything to do with networking issue which otherwise might have devs all annoyed, indifferent or maybe left clueless.

WOW (10 days and quit) | EVE (1000 days and quit) | WOT(playing on and off) | LOTR (5 days and quit)

  User Deleted
5/01/14 7:43:45 AM#32

Sandbox is a pie-in-the sky concept that is appealing on paper and in our imaginations but is thoroughly thrashed when you put thousands of other people in the world. 

Making a sandbox is easy. Finding ten people that can agree on what a sandbox is becomes a nightmare. If you put the freedom that some folks want into a game, it allows for them to destroy the experience of others. The developers build in checks and balances, suddenly half say it's not a sandbox anymore. 

Building a sandbox is a lose-lose scenario and a good way to set fire to millions of dollars of cash.


Elite Member

Joined: 6/08/10
Posts: 2232

5/01/14 7:43:52 AM#33

I don't think it's difficult to make a great sandbox MMO, I think it's difficult to get people to stop asking for all the features WoW has.

The challenge is that the bulk of the MMO playbase doesn't want to make their own fun, nor find their own answers. They DO want hand holding regardless of how much they state the contrary.


Novice Member

Joined: 12/23/07
Posts: 1097

5/01/14 7:52:53 AM#34
Originally posted by Nemesis7884
Originally posted by willbonney
Quit complaining and go play Darkfall:  Unholy Wars for free.  May 1st to the 5th.  linkage

imo darkfall is no mmo in a persistant living world - its simply a pvp arena

Thus illustrating the difficulty in making a "Good" sandbox.

There is massive amounts of disagreement over what that entails. Each player has his own preferences, which are often at odds with what other players are looking for.

Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin


Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/11/08
Posts: 10959

I think with my heart and move with my head.-Kongos

5/01/14 8:02:43 AM#35

Writing a video game in general is a difficult process.  Writing an MMORPG is an order of magnitude more difficult than writing a single player or even a small scale multiplayer game.  So yes, writing a good sandbox MMORPG is that hard because writing an MMORPG in general is that hard.


It's not enough to have an idea of how a sandbox should work, a developer has to have all the little nitpicky details nailed down and they have to be able to revamp them based on what the players do too.  Sure, it seems like writing a game that simulates a lot of stuff would work better than a game where the developer has to explicitly define and run things, but simulation still requires the developer to define and run things, only they have a lot less control over the outcomes.


For instance, you could simulate players arriving in an area and killing some animals, who might respond by running away, or breeding faster, and if all the animals are wiped out just spawn in new animals where players can't see them and have them run into the area.  You don't even need graphics for this.  You could use something like SimPy.  Then mess around with the variables, like how long it takes for the players to kill the mobs, how long how many players enter the area, etc.  The thing is, you have no idea how many actual players would show up, or how efficient they'll become at killing the mobs.  All the careful simulation can easily become a typical theme park because players kill the mobs so fast that they are just spawning into the area and being killed so fast that they never run away and never migrate.


You can go in the opposite direction, like Eve, where very little happens in the world itself and everything is directed by the players, but then if you don't have PvP the game is likely to stagnate because the world isn't going to drive any activity.


None of this sounds all that simple when you have to account for all the things that players might do, as well as all the things you want them to do.


I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.


Elite Member

Joined: 10/06/09
Posts: 2429

5/01/14 8:07:06 AM#36
Originally posted by fivoroth
There are no sandbox games except for UO which is ancient history and arguably eve if you consider that to be sandbox.

How do people know that sandbox mmos will be that much better if we have never had any of them? Are you guys talking about your fantasies hoping that some day they might see the light of day?



IMO, people GENERALLY don't know what a sandbox even is. Quite honestly, if you read what people complain about on these forums, even in threads about sandbox games, I really doubt that anyone is really looking for a sandbox. IMO people want a better themepark. They want more freedom in their themepark (like climbing up the ladder beside the rollercoaster), but they don't want a sandbox per se. 


This is how I see the typical conversation going between a sandbox gamer and a "sandbox gamer"


"SBG": What you doin?

SBG: Playing Rust.

"SBG": Awesome! I love sandbox games! 

SBG: Yeah?

"SBG": Yeah man! So what are you doing?

SBG: Just collecting some wood and berries before it's dark. 

"SBG": Cool! Are you like making some potions for a raid or something?

SBG: There are no raids. 

"SBG": World Boss?

SBG: No World Bosses. 

"SBG": Dungeon? Public Dungeon?

SBG: Nope and nope. Just need to eat something so I don't die. 

"SBG": Oh........ Soooooooo, when are you going to do some PvP? Raid a village or something?

SBG: I can't do that right now. I need to build shelter first. 

"SBG": Yeah! With some turrets and mines and stuff!!!

SBG: No, just some place I can sleep so nothing can eat me while I'm sleeping. 

"SBG": Oh........So.....This game is stupid. 


Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US


Advanced Member

Joined: 3/10/04
Posts: 5248

Be Brief, Be Bright... Be Gone.

5/01/14 9:35:35 AM#37
Horizons must definately did not fail due to a lack of PvP. That had absolutely nothing to do with it. Dull pve yes. Horrible launch with tons of lag massive bugs systems not implemented. Those were the reasons.

That being said it's still chugging along and getting updates.

Regarding sandbox I think the opening line days it all "I think it would be easier because they could focus on mechanics instead of threadmilling content. "

I say it's the lack of content variety that it's the very reason they fail. People get bored easier. Sandboxed need just as much variety in content as themeparks

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.


Novice Member

Joined: 2/15/04
Posts: 288

5/01/14 9:43:03 AM#38
Originally posted by Nemesis7884

I thought it would be a lot easier cause you can focus on perfecting the mechanics rather than threadmilling new content...they say the definition of insanity is do the same things over and over again expecting different results - but thats what we are basically getting in the mmo world for years...

Why are there all kinds of sandboxes in the zombie genre but non in the fantasy (mmo) department?

Why is it so difficult for devs to simply look at existing games, look at the stuff people love about them and the features they dont like and then simply combine the best stuff of them all?

for example

archeage has good sandbox featuers but bad combat and questing

eso has good combat but no sandbox features

tsw has good quests and an interesting skill system but no sandbox features and a boring combat

package all that together and use something like minecraft as the basis of it and you got yourself an interesting sandbox game

You dont even need to invent new fancy shit - just copy the best parts of other games???

Instead of improving and collecting on the best stuff thats out there - devs focus on new content and invention where non is required...a themepark mmo with fancy features is still the same old themepark mmo where you run through quests...ESO is a good themepark mmo - but even the best volkswagen is no ferrari - it simply will never be...

I think you're asking the wrong questions (though my assumption that you're asking the wrong questions could be, well, wrong).


What is the "accepted" definition of a Sandbox MMO?

Is it profitable to make said Sandbox MMO?


I don't think it's difficult to make one but it certainly is difficult to define one and possibly even harder to find an audience to pay for and play one. The generally acceptable assumption is that the market wants a Sandbow MMO. Maybe it's an incorrect assumption?

If you got nothing else out of this thread at least you got to see attractive women in bikinis.


Advanced Member

Joined: 7/17/04
Posts: 783

5/01/14 10:55:38 AM#39

Yes, it is hard to make a good sandbox.

Many people will disagree when I claim that wow for example is quite sandboxy.

Yes it is level and quest driven, but they were very clever to implement lots of fluff and side stuff for players to do and keep all kinds of classes entertained.

Ideally a sandbox game lets me play what I want and gives me lots of choices what to do.


Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/04/13
Posts: 809

5/01/14 11:36:01 AM#40

Of course it hard ... you need large fund and have to gather people who know how to put things together to make an MMOGame.

If it easy to make like pen&paper games then we ready have a lots of mmos now.

3 Pages « 1 2 3 » Search