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4/29/14 6:59:06 PM#121
Originally posted by bingbongbros

I actually just wrote something almost identical to this but much shorter on massively last night after getting tired of the endless bullshit from people every time something about ESO is written that isn't bashing it.

In a nut shell, the mmo community is bad.  Just really bad to the core.  There are great people inside of it but they are way deep inside of the the genre and never show through. The only thing you ever see is horrible shit.

ESO isn't bad.  It is good.  It's not great.  But it is good.  And it's brand spanking new so there is only roam to grow from here on out.  Love it or hate it.

I look at the title of this thread, then I look at the posts like the one above, and I have to ask who are the real haters?


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If DaoC was so fun why don't you just play it?

4/29/14 7:19:47 PM#122

I agree that there is nothing wrong with going away from the "wow formula" and make something more oldschool with less comfort that people are used to. However everything with wow and it's easy going design isn't bad or other new games. For instance the ability to share loot with your group friends while questing is a good thing cause there really isn't any fun in standing around waiting for respawns. Stuff like this made the game seem like they didn't put any thought into it.

I get the whole no minimap and I think thats a great idea but a global auction house is something that lots of people enjoy and there are other stuff that put me off.

Now to get me wrong, I don't think ESO is a bad game I thought it was pretty fun it just wasn't worth a subscription in my own opinion.

And I also have to say that when you make an elder scrolls game in any form you can't just make an average game or even a good game, I think when you use the name Elder scrolls it should be the best game there is, and I don't think it was.

Closing by saying that all of you who love this game just enjoy it and play the hell out of it and don't care about any stupid trolls on any forum cause they are idiots and will always be.


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4/29/14 7:26:13 PM#123

For all its any faults, some of the features in WoW are just good, because they remove tedium. Like the AH.

Yea, I get the mentioned point about learning a craft by buying everything you need, and maybe that's a fair point. Becoming a master crafter should involve some sweat.

But if I want to sell 5 silver swords of snake slaying I shouldn't have to spend my day standing in a forum typing "WTS silver sw snake slay (5) - 20g50s", because that's stupid.

I get the complaints in the article about complainers about the game. I'm knee deep in them whenever I go into a GW2 forum. They - ANet - also tried to do things differently and are getting flamed mightly for some of it.

A lot of complaints against ESO are justified as well, so coming in here and telling us we are all just spoiled whiners who cannot appreciate true beauty if it bit us in the juggular? Yea. Cool story, bro. Now i need to get back to camping the vamp spawn and see if I can get bitten this time. Or if the bots kill all the vamps again I'll cough up 50,000 gold to "buy" a bite.


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4/29/14 7:26:56 PM#124

Here I'll Link this article about how why the "hate" is grounded.


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4/29/14 7:31:28 PM#125
This post was made to illicit the almighty click is all. Nothing but shills in this forest, move along. 

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4/29/14 7:46:40 PM#126

Ah, that's nice.

When can we get a "WildStar is not WoW" or "LEAVE BRITENY ALONE" column?

Loves: SMITE, WildStar, Project Zomboid, PSO2, DCUO,

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All the comparisons
I think it’s dumb and it’s embarrassing
I’m switching off
No longer listening
I’ve had enough of persecution and conditioning
Maybe it’s instinct- We’re only animal"
- Lily Allen, Sheezus


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4/29/14 7:50:13 PM#127

Most the hate comes from fanboys of another game, trolls that just want attention, or people that are tired of the theme-park formula. Ever since I've joined this site there have been hate wars on every big budgeted MMO, and very rarely does someone come up with constructive criticism. I think RPG has reached its limit  but seems to be the only type of MMO to take a risk on making, very few developers branch out to make a different genre of MMO. This video shows good reasons why devs make the same thing rather than try to make something "innovative" .

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4/29/14 7:56:55 PM#128

Originally posted by Ryan Getchell
I’ve said it before an MMO is supposed to be designed from end to start; we spend most of our time at the “end game” than we do at the start game. However, because content that we feel is supposed to be in the game (because they experienced it elsewhere) wasn’t, we give the game a worse score. Is that really how we’re supposed to review our games? By comparing them to others? I thought a review was supposed to be solely based on our experience in the game itself not our experience in another title that shares nothing than the genre. But I digress.

I have troubles with this paragraph.
1) End Game. So the journey should be compromised to appease the "end-gamers", of which I am not one? If an MMO wants to focus on end game, I am all for it. BUT, have NO LEVELING involved. It slows down the end-gamers and frustrates the adventurers with sub-par content.

2) Comparing. They made it Elder Scrolls to bring in fans of the IP. Pure money grab. Now, you want us to NOT compare them? What a crock of crap. I've said this before and will say it again, had this MMO NOT been labeled "Elder Scrolls", it would have been a decent game. Instead, they added that label and failed, in my opinion, to create an "Elder Scrolls Experience."

For those players that are enjoying the game, play on! I am glad you found a great game to spend your time in. I am envious :)

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4/29/14 8:11:21 PM#129

Originally posted by CrazKanuk
The $60 game is hurting the gaming industry. Even Cliffy B says that. Everything in this industry is sky rocketing, budgets, salaries, graphics, animations, yet they're still charging $60. How long has it been at that price? Shoot, I think that even in the 90s games were selling for $50 bucks!!!!! What's that with inflation? Math people? Please? Damn, it's got to be at least $75.

About 9 years. The price jumped from about $30 to $60 with XBox 360's introduction in November of 2005. Consoles jumped the price up so they could sell their consoles cheaper and make more money on the games sold. Console is a one time purchase. Games can be repeatedly purchased for a much longer time frame. PC games picked right up on that increase.

The worst part is that games did not get better. They got simpler, easier, and more "achievement based."

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4/29/14 8:59:18 PM#130

Disagree with most of  the article.


These are games; they're not jobs. If I can't complete something in my preferred play style in a reasonable amount of time, it is too hard....for me. Now it might be fine for you and certainly the game is under no obligation to change just to meet my tastes. But I'm under no obligation to play a game that doesn't meet my satisfaction especially with literally 1000s of titles on the market today.


Negative feedback is the only good feedback. Positive feedback is worthless.


If the game was truly a great game, you wouldn't need to sit here and defend it. You would let the game speak for itself and if someone was on the outside 'OH WELL'. But you have to defend it because there is so much negative feedback. It's battered housewife syndrome. Positive feedback is almost always full of lies and boasting, it can't be trusted.


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4/29/14 9:15:03 PM#131

Granted you said it was fantastic (in your eyes) as a subjective opinion but my opinion is the exact opposite.


I think the game is terrible (in my eyes), it does nothing innovative to push the genre further.  It's reliance on age-old questing progression at the exclusion of all other forms of progression is narrow minded.  It's inability to capture the soul of what made Elder Scrolls games great for the sake of higher population numbers is a horrible game design.  Things like no auction houses, no housing, linear game play and reliance on phasing while excluding grouping functionality is flawed game design.  On top of all its massive shortcomings as a proper MMO it asks for subscription.  The single greatest no-no in modern MMO game history. In short the game is average at best and teetering on bad at worst.  

Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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4/29/14 9:31:00 PM#132

I think its a lot to do with how Zenimax has handled things . They have seemed greedy . Firstly they locked off the imperial race to a delux edition and released with a cash shop as well as a subscription . They have have face criticism over the price of a mount using in game currency so people are enticed to use the cash shop . Personally though it didn't take me that long to get one about 3 weeks which is fair enough in my view . 


I think the big problem is its as subscription based game and people expect more as such . Even though I enjoy it some of the design choices in the game leave me cold . The public dungeons are awful . They are full of people farming mobs that spawn very quickly . There is no sense of any challenge to them because anything that pops its head up is killed within seconds . Even the bosses who are often camped by 10-20 people. These would have been fun and challenging if someone had had the forsight  to see this would happen and made the public dungeons not so public .


The bugs while they arn't a gamebreaker for me as I expect them in an mmo that has just been released are an annoyance to say the least . The lack of an auction house in favor of trade guilds sounds good in theory but in practice its burdensome . 

Zenimax also have made the mistake of banning legitimate account in large numbers while apologies are offered theres is no instant offer to reimburse people for the time there accounts have been suspended . 


I think at the end of the day I am asking myself what does this do that I can't get elsewhere with a different business model . I brought the Elder Scrolls because I prefer subscription based games and already I'm starting to see the cracks in it . I will probably subscribe for another month so as to get through to level 50 . Theres fun to be had but no real sense of immersion . 


Then theres the argument why play this when you can play Skyrim for a one off payment . Being able to play with a friend in and Elder Scrolls game is nice but a lot of time you feel like your playing a single player game with MMO elements .  As such I think they should have gone for a buy to play model . It would have dragged me in I think . I would have brought DLCS but as it is because they have been greedy all they will get our of me is the box price and a further months sub so I can get to level 50 . Given I'm enjoying it I think I will have got my moneys worth . But like GW2 and TSW I would have far prefered the option to play it when I wanted without subscribing when and release some interesting content in a DLC , 


It should have been buy to play and I hope as with Funcom they realize the mistake they have made and offer it as a buy to play game at somepoint within the coming year of its release . Sadly I suspect they will go for a free to play model . Zenimax needed to have a smooth release because without it this backlash was inevitable . 

After this I am just going to view any game that releases with a subscription model as little more than an early access beta before its real release under either a free to play or buy to play model . 

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4/29/14 9:45:14 PM#133
The problem is at this stage of the 10+ year life of MMO's there are literally millions of gamers looking for the next major innovation step. For whatever reason this just hasn't been coming and in fact releases of late are either essentially the same or a step back in some way. In general, when something new is released people want it to be better and when it has aspects that are a backwards step its going to get brutalised. World zoning isn't a step forward, Guild auction houses isn't a step forward, awkward UI / interface isn't a step forward, poor animation isn't a step forward and it goes on. It isn't hate its just what it is and it could of been better.

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4/29/14 9:50:13 PM#134

It's really very simple.


The reason for the Elder Scroll's hate is because for everyone who's been playing MMORPGs for more than a few years, this is the same song and dance we've seen a hundred times. It's the same shit with a different coat of paint. The genre is stagnant exactly because of games like ESO.


We demand better.



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4/29/14 9:50:54 PM#135
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Brizlyn
Originally posted by Bigboo
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
For me it was not hate, I really enjoyed the game. I didnt like the direction a few things went. To much phasing made teaming a pain. I play with my wife and about 25% of the time she was this little arrow I could follow but not help in any way. Then instanced parts of the game you could not work together on because ZM wanted you to feel epic by doing it solo. Not really why I play and took me out of the fun by having to ask my wife again and again, can you see me? Do you see this node? Guess thats phased just for me =-\ If I wanted to play a solo game I would have played Morrowind again. If they change this... I just may buy the game. Im a huge TES fan its just that I dont play MMOs to solo.

This!! ^

ESO is a SP game, only time you have the feeling of an MMO is in public dungeons together with The Bot Brothers.

"I once was an adventurer like you, but then I got an Arrow above my head!"

Are you guys not aware of the travel to player feature that's been in since launch (or earlier?) I play with the wife as well and if we are ever in a different instance we just pop the party window open, right click, travel to player...done!  Is it that hard to learn? Literally takes 10 seconds.

Fix spelling

Not talking about being in a different shard. If you dont know what phasing is pls google it.

Are you seriously complaining about the 1% of the game where it makes you go solo?  WOW, really?  You people crack me up.  To each his own, but to make a point of such a small element in the game is telling the rest of your opinion.



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4/29/14 10:00:30 PM#136

ESO hate? It's pointless.

Hating a game is misdirected anger - like hating a glitchy keyboard, it's an inanimate object, hating it is pointless, it's just a waste of your energy, it accomplishes nothing, it won't change the keyboards "mind" or teach it a lesson.

Same goes for games - hating games is completely pointless, the games didn't program themselves - they are a direct product of the dev studios behind them.

So lets place the anger and disappointment where it makes sense - the game developer.

I am just disappointed with Zenimax - their lack of planning and ability to run a major online game is a "shameful display", to use a bit from Angry Joe's video.

ESO can be fixed, the game is not at fault - Zenimax is the root of the problem - they have to get their crap together and fix their product, it all starts with them.

My 2c.


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4/29/14 10:03:37 PM#137
Originally posted by Siug

ESO must be the worst MMO evan because I see people everywhere in game. Towns are full of them and even in the remotest places you always see some.

Ok seriously, there are bugs and flaws but which MMO doesn't? While hating a video game is plain weird anyway but seeing the same names in every thread bashing and trolling ESO is just stupid.

It's new..of course it's full of people. That doesn't really prove anything since they won't be around for long.


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4/29/14 10:09:16 PM#138

Haters gonna hate.. And ESO is an easy target for them to get some drama goin.. Sad really..

It's an awesome game with so much to do! Im vet 10 and at the last zones in Ebonhear pact, and I've done ALL quest's. So it's doable!


I've spent more than 300+ hours in the game already, and can't wait to spent more time ingame! So to all the who aren't satisfied.. Maybe you should make a MMO that suits only you, so you can play alone, cause no one else gives a crap.


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4/29/14 10:17:41 PM#139
Originally posted by FezVizzini
Originally posted by remyburke
ESO exceeded every expectation I had going into it. It's all around amazing IMO.

Exceeded mine as well. I thought it would be just a bit crap but it turned out to be really shitty.

Excellent! +1000


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4/29/14 10:27:07 PM#140
Originally posted by Muppetier
Shame it is no longer possible to express an honest opinion of any new game without being labelled a fanboy or hater. Some posts might actually reflect the authors view.

Not to mention if your opinion offends the admins on this site, they'll probably ban you.

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