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  Yamota

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OP  4/25/14 2:08:02 PM#1

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/04/24/archeages-founder-packs-will-run-you-49-99-to-149-99/

Money, items, mounts, consumables. All yours for a meager $150. This is why I hate F2P games as it turns a fun hobby into a big money sink.

  Xirik

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4/25/14 2:14:13 PM#2

what paywall? its for alpha access, not for a game that was just released like ESO. pay the less fee and get into Closed beta if its to much and if that is to much for you then you can literally just wait for launch and play the game for

 

FREE!

 

 

 

You can do everything you want except build a house and things you want to build will take longer.

If you want a house and faster building times then pay the sub.

"You have some serious mental issues you may need to seek some help for. There are others who post things, but do not post them in the way you do. Out of every person who posts crazy shit in this forum, you have some of the craziest and scariest" -FarReach

  Deadlyne

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4/25/14 2:16:59 PM#3
Originally posted by Xirik

what paywall? its for alpha access, not for a game that was just released like ESO. pay the less fee and get into Closed beta if its to much and if that is to much for you then you can literally just wait for launch and play the game for

 

FREE!

 

 

 

You can do everything you want except build a house and things you want to build will take longer.

If you want a house and faster building times then pay the sub.

I concur.  Complainers abound.

Just to question the philosophy. Army of Socrates.

  Horusra

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4/25/14 2:17:00 PM#4
There will always be the entitled that think people make these games for free.
  cylon8

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4/25/14 2:18:47 PM#5
since when is it required to get the alpha package? wait till launch and play it free if you are not planning on investing much into the game. this incesstant whining about imaginary pay walls is just that.  if you actually do the math the alpa package is 30$...which is cheaper than pretty much anything. I think gamers just like to hear themselves complain. at least AA is a professionaly developed pre tested and patched game and not some half baked buggy dupe filled mess like eso is.

so say we all

  Maquiame

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4/25/14 2:19:16 PM#6
Originally posted by Yamota

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/04/24/archeages-founder-packs-will-run-you-49-99-to-149-99/

Money, items, mounts, consumables. All yours for a meager $150. This is why I hate F2P games as it turns a fun hobby into a big money sink.

Yes because like ArcheAge, ESO lets you play for free once it launched and their Imperial Edition gives you three months of sub time.

 

Yeah right...

Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!

  Horusra

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4/25/14 2:20:48 PM#7
Originally posted by cylon8
since when is it required to get the alpha package? wait till launch and play it free if you are not planning on investing much into the game. this incesstant whining about imaginary pay walls is just that.  if you actually do the math the alpa package is 30$...which is cheaper than pretty much anything. I think gamers just like to hear themselves complain. at least AA is a professionaly developed pre tested and patched game and not some half baked buggy dupe filled mess like eso is.

And you will always have people that feel they need to justify their game by putting down other games....makes me wonder why they need to justify their game to begin with.

  Crusades

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The most innovative thing about MMORPG's are the various business models we face today.

4/25/14 2:25:34 PM#8

It's not just f2p you need to look at. It's all microtransactions. If there were only two business models, #1 buy to play and #2 sub, then the gaming world would be a lot better place. Microtransactions and all the uncertainty that comes along with them really just bogs down gaming in general. 

it's crippling enough to completely destroy quality gaming. 

You used to get a game that you bought and take it home and play it. now you just download and if you want to be better you have to spend money, and if you want to be really good you just spend more money, and if you want to be really really good and have all the shortcuts and content you just spend alot more money. 

for what though? the games today are not any better than those of 10 years ago.

First - launch as alpha and charge an arm and a leg, then launch as a sub focused game with a box price - then switch over to f2p with microtransactions - then shift the microtransactions to a pay to win model. - Make no promises, maximize profits, sell out once we fall below a 75% margin, shutdown if we fall below 50%

  Boneserino

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4/25/14 2:26:49 PM#9

Thats roughly a 10  month sub game.  Not including the box....

This is why I hate sub games, as they turn a fun hobby into a big money sink....

FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!

  Eir_S

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GW2 socialist.

4/25/14 2:28:13 PM#10

I wouldn't pay $150 for the game, but the good thing is, I don't have to.  I'm not that super interested anyway, but things like this don't bother me a whole lot.  Oohh credits and boosters and mounts, big deal.

  CoffeeBreak

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4/25/14 2:28:52 PM#11
Originally posted by Xirik

 

You can do everything you want except build a house and things you want to build will take longer.

If you want a house and faster building times then pay the sub.

 

WHAT?  Isn't that the whole appeal of the game?!?  The combat and questing are bland and generic, but has sandbox features to make it fun.  So you have to pay to put sand in the box?

  Eir_S

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GW2 socialist.

4/25/14 2:32:35 PM#12
Originally posted by CoffeeBreak
Originally posted by Xirik

 

You can do everything you want except build a house and things you want to build will take longer.

If you want a house and faster building times then pay the sub.

 

WHAT?  Isn't that the whole appeal of the game?!?  The combat and questing are bland and generic, but has sandbox features to make it fun.  So you have to pay to put sand in the box?

Can someone confirm whether or not this is true?  You're absolutely right, there's no way I'd stick to a game with the kind of combat AA has without the sandbox features I've been waiting for in an MMO for years now.

  Deadlyne

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4/25/14 2:33:11 PM#13
Originally posted by Crusades

It's not just f2p you need to look at. It's all microtransactions. If there were only two business models, #1 buy to play and #2 sub, then the gaming world would be a lot better place. Microtransactions and all the uncertainty that comes along with them really just bogs down gaming in general. 

it's crippling enough to completely destroy quality gaming. 

You used to get a game that you bought and take it home and play it. now you just download and if you want to be better you have to spend money, and if you want to be really good you just spend more money, and if you want to be really really good and have all the shortcuts and content you just spend alot more money. 

for what though? the games today are not any better than those of 10 years ago.

It doesn't destroy my gaming.  The speed other people level/craft/whatever doesn't affect me at all.  Some people just need to accept that they will never be the best at a game and somebody else always will.  For many reasons, actually having a life, having a grip on what is a waste of money, veering away from unfun tasks, whatever it may be.  

I and everyone I know irl, still just gets a game, takes it home and plays it.  

Just to question the philosophy. Army of Socrates.

  CoffeeBreak

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4/25/14 2:36:43 PM#14
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by CoffeeBreak
Originally posted by Xirik

 

You can do everything you want except build a house and things you want to build will take longer.

If you want a house and faster building times then pay the sub.

 

WHAT?  Isn't that the whole appeal of the game?!?  The combat and questing are bland and generic, but has sandbox features to make it fun.  So you have to pay to put sand in the box?

Can someone confirm whether or not this is true?  You're absolutely right, there's no way I'd stick to a game with the kind of combat AA has without the sandbox features I've been waiting for in an MMO for years now.

I have mixed feelings about Rift's F2P model but it really is one of the better ones and does give you pretty much everything without gating any progression in the game.  I figured they'd do the same with AA.  

  Dr_Shivinski

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4/25/14 2:37:57 PM#15
Originally posted by Yamota

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/04/24/archeages-founder-packs-will-run-you-49-99-to-149-99/

Money, items, mounts, consumables. All yours for a meager $150. This is why I hate F2P games as it turns a fun hobby into a big money sink.

I don't think paywall means what you think it means man.

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  Xirik

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What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets and lies!

4/25/14 2:38:06 PM#16
Originally posted by CoffeeBreak
Originally posted by Xirik

 

You can do everything you want except build a house and things you want to build will take longer.

If you want a house and faster building times then pay the sub.

 

WHAT?  Isn't that the whole appeal of the game?!?  The combat and questing are bland and generic, but has sandbox features to make it fun.  So you have to pay to put sand in the box?

the houses are in the open world so there is limited land

Now

Add the bazzilion of bots that FTP adds to the game and you can see why they needed some sort of paywall.

Neverknow maybe they will make a $shop item that lets you buy land rights for one fee.

added the quote from mmorpg.com article

 

 

"You’ll get titles that give you minor stat boosts, making those early days easier, Patron Status for a period of time (think “subscriber”) which also gives you increased labor point regeneration over regular free to play players as well as the ability to own land and have a house or farm.  Free players won’t innately be able to own land, houses, and farms and the like.  But Trion is working hard on a “REX-like” program to allow free players an avenue to land ownership too."

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/572/feature/8450/ArcheAge-Get-Ready-Get-Set-Founderize.html

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  Tbau

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4/25/14 2:39:13 PM#17
Originally posted by Yamota

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/04/24/archeages-founder-packs-will-run-you-49-99-to-149-99/

Money, items, mounts, consumables. All yours for a meager $150. This is why I hate F2P games as it turns a fun hobby into a big money sink.

ESOs paywall wasn't bad, it was STUPID and doesn't belong in a sub based game.

AAs paywall is nothing compared to its P2W cash shop which contains a way around the time limits placed in game for the F2P change. Everyone buying into the founders packs don't realize just how much they are going to regret doing it. Its nothing like Rifts F2P cash shop and they don't understand just what 1.0 did to the game.

  Cougan

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4/25/14 2:40:09 PM#18
Originally posted by Xirik

what paywall? its for alpha access, not for a game that was just released like ESO. pay the less fee and get into Closed beta if its to much and if that is to much for you then you can literally just wait for launch and play the game for

 

FREE!

 

 

 

You can do everything you want except build a house and things you want to build will take longer.

If you want a house and faster building times then pay the sub.

Yeah the highlighted red. If you think an extra race in ESO is a paywall then what the hell is not being able to build a house? lol

 

Now Archeage looks like a damn good game but it is in cash shop heaven already with these lock boxes and what not, I'm fairly used to these F2P models by now though and can live with it.

 

Since I dont mind subbing if I give the game a spin I just hope the subscribers dont feel like everything is tied to the cash shop even for them.

 

  CoffeeBreak

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4/25/14 2:41:04 PM#19
Originally posted by Xirik
Originally posted by CoffeeBreak
Originally posted by Xirik

 

You can do everything you want except build a house and things you want to build will take longer.

If you want a house and faster building times then pay the sub.

 

WHAT?  Isn't that the whole appeal of the game?!?  The combat and questing are bland and generic, but has sandbox features to make it fun.  So you have to pay to put sand in the box?

the houses are in the open world so there is limited land

Now

Add the bazzilion of bots that FTP adds to the game and you can see why they needed some sort of paywall.

Neverknow maybe they will make a $shop item that lets you buy land rights for one fee.

Didn't even think about the F2P bots...can't let them make little bot villages.  I guess the only way around it would be to find a way to combat the bots...

  Maquiame

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4/25/14 2:41:43 PM#20
Originally posted by Tbau
Originally posted by Yamota

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/04/24/archeages-founder-packs-will-run-you-49-99-to-149-99/

Money, items, mounts, consumables. All yours for a meager $150. This is why I hate F2P games as it turns a fun hobby into a big money sink.

ESOs paywall wasn't bad, it was STUPID and doesn't belong in a sub based game.

AAs paywall is nothing compared to its P2W cash shop which contains a way around the time limits placed in game for the F2P change. Everyone buying into the founders packs don't realize just how much they are going to regret doing it. Its nothing like Rifts F2P cash shop and they don't understand just what 1.0 did to the game.

Trion is already changing some of the 1.0 stuff, why not go to the official forums and just ask questions? They have already confirmed that Delphic Stars (Gilda stars in our version) will still be gained through trade runs. 

Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!

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