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General Discussion  » Very solid game.Trying to understand the negativity compared to a game like Final Fantasy

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  Yamota

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Gaming should be about fun, not gender equality.

4/24/14 3:04:04 PM#141

Does not sound like the OP want to "understand" as much as give his point of view how it is.

If you want to understand then I think it is pretty simple. A lot of people came expecting an Elder Scrolls game but instead got the run of the mill theme park MMO which even for people not expecting an Elder Scrolls game is getting old.

Add box price, subscription and paywalls to that and you got a recipe for disaster or at least a lot of unsatisifed customers.

  Kuinn

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Joined: 1/10/11
Posts: 2103

4/24/14 3:33:05 PM#142
Originally posted by Scot

"Infinite load screens

unusable siege equipment

unusable forward camps

falling through world

guild bank duplication

hireling duplication

countless broken quests; especially later in levels.

Weapon swap broken

Hot-Keys broken

Jumping over logs launches you into the air

Knocking back a player with a bow can randomly send you into a load screen

Unable to invite to parties

Inviting players to a raid of 4+ groups can cause fellow party members to crash

Random disconnects

Network I/O error

Memory Leaks

Gold vanishing

Alliance Points vanishing

WASD movement not working

Stuck as detected while in stealth

Dungeon bosses not resetting if you wipe"

 

I have had slow loading screens, a couple of random disconnections, once had to reform a party as we could not invite forth guy.

The average experience of players is not that they experience every bug anyone has ever found in the game. :)

I got stuck in loading screen one day. Also my character has gotten stuck in a swinging animation couple of times after the fight ends for a few seconds. Cant think of anything else atm, no wait, I was doing a quest on storm haven in a dungeon and the mobs spawned very slowly, so had to spend there about 15 extra minutes because I wanted to finish it.

 

Not much to complaint, but if someone is truly having a huge list of trouble I can see why they would be annoyed.

  loulaki

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Posts: 826

4/24/14 4:16:46 PM#143

both games i dont like them ...

but anyway i dont think i heared so many issues (except the huge downtime) for bugs or wrong mechanics (like trading, or broken charges on credit cards..) thats why it scored much lower the ESO ...

  lootzeh

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Joined: 2/28/14
Posts: 2

4/24/14 5:18:33 PM#144

Comparing these 2 games is a special olympics, It achieves nothing. They both have completely horrendous faults, that is which of content, mechanics. ESO Beta level achieved *5* and that was enough for me to go , no way no thanks. I've had many mates buy it and stop playing it within the week. ESO was rushed for the price you pay. One thing you can count on is Wildstar doing it RIGHT. The content is also much harder, with a more rewarding feeling, the wildstar Devs also communicate better with their community. Don't get me wrong ESO has some great minor things going *lack luster of it though*, but being a gw2 Ui + feel + everything was bloody gw2 down to rolling with 2 action bars for specs etc / talents bla bla, it certainly turned me off .

Final fantasy at least had some originality.

 

ty.

  Wolfshead

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Joined: 10/06/10
Posts: 159

4/25/14 1:01:38 AM#145

But you cant compare game with each other if compare a new mmo with old mmo that have been our for 8 month or 10 year ofc the old mmo game will get high score for the fix all there "children's disease" mean bugs and so on.

I don't get why people keep compare ESO with other mmo out ofc people always have problem with new mmo but in Few month everyone is go to whine how bad WildStar it is nature of humans but in all honest ESO is one of the better mmo out on market today that is what i think.

WildStar atm in the beta is not even close to being playable i have never see a beta with so many bug and problem then WildStar have atm and go live in 5 weeks.

  bcbully

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Posts: 7640

4/25/14 1:09:49 AM#146
Both have terrible themepark quest grinds, but hey this is the era of the terrible thempark quest grinds. ESO has damn good combat, character development and pvp though.
  Bigdaddyx

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Joined: 5/24/10
Posts: 1983

4/25/14 4:35:21 AM#147
Originally posted by Yamota

Does not sound like the OP want to "understand" as much as give his point of view how it is.

If you want to understand then I think it is pretty simple. A lot of people came expecting an Elder Scrolls game but instead got the run of the mill theme park MMO which even for people not expecting an Elder Scrolls game is getting old.

Add box price, subscription and paywalls to that and you got a recipe for disaster or at least a lot of unsatisifed customers.

This.

+1

  ZizouX

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Joined: 5/17/11
Posts: 675

5/09/14 4:54:31 PM#148

Sorry to Necro this thread, but I promised I would return as soon as SE's financial forecasts were released.

 

I said that FFXIV is going strong after 9 months of release and there is no indication it will ever go Free to Play.   This game is one of the few P2P games that will stay P2P for the forseeable future.

 

Many of you disagreed stating that FFXIV was"dying" and it was a matter of time before it goes free to play.

 

 

Here, you go.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/09/square-enix-boosts-financial-forecast-following-favourable-sales

  Gravehill

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Joined: 2/06/14
Posts: 96

5/11/14 2:45:47 AM#149
Originally posted by ZizouX

Sorry to Necro this thread, but I promised I would return as soon as SE's financial forecasts were released.

 

I said that FFXIV is going strong after 9 months of release and there is no indication it will ever go Free to Play.   This game is one of the few P2P games that will stay P2P for the forseeable future.

 

Many of you disagreed stating that FFXIV was"dying" and it was a matter of time before it goes free to play.

 

 

Here, you go.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/09/square-enix-boosts-financial-forecast-following-favourable-sales

Yup, and people are still going to pretend that the game is dying. Wait until the expansion comes out and everyone starts claiming "f2p in 6 months!!!11" again

  Scot

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Joined: 10/10/03
Posts: 5396

5/13/14 6:12:53 AM#150

How dare you inject some reality into this forum ZizouX! They all know TESO is not selling well because they don't like it. :D

"Not much to complaint, but if someone is truly having a huge list of trouble I can see why they would be annoyed."

Thing is Kuinn, I don't believe anyone is suffering or has suffered from that many bugs on such a regular basis. I have spoken to a lot of players, even on zone chat and no one sees twenty+ different bugs a day. Things were worse at launch and even then it was not that bad.

  JoeyMMO

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Joined: 10/09/11
Posts: 1334

To busy playing GW2 to post much around here... *shrug*

5/13/14 6:33:19 AM#151
Skyrim Online is what many people were expecting, they got a mediocre MMO with an ES skin. Many people are NOT at all happy with this. They used the IP, making for a lot of unhappy customers.

  amber-r

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Joined: 6/21/12
Posts: 324

5/13/14 2:52:15 PM#152
Originally posted by ZizouX

Sorry to Necro this thread, but I promised I would return as soon as SE's financial forecasts were released.

 

I said that FFXIV is going strong after 9 months of release and there is no indication it will ever go Free to Play.   This game is one of the few P2P games that will stay P2P for the forseeable future.

 

Many of you disagreed stating that FFXIV was"dying" and it was a matter of time before it goes free to play.

 

 

Here, you go.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/09/square-enix-boosts-financial-forecast-following-favourable-sales

 

That's an article on IGN (lol) a site well known for paid articles and reviews, we will see when the actual financial report comes out how things are going however the fact that they have refused to give any sub numbers since launch shows it's not doing that well, also that an article was released not long ago stating that the ps4 version vastly undersold expectations.  You are no better than any other fanboy, no matter what game you support and you're just as ridiculous as the ESO fanboys that claim this game is a massive success.

 

When will FFXIV go free to play?  Probably the same amount of time every other mmo does, within 12 to 18 month from launch.  No company gives any indication it's happening until it's happening, they could be working on the conversion right now for all you or I know.

 

You say it won't go free to play like you have insider information, even though the developer has said many times he is still taking it under consideration and will change if it's needed. 

 

FFXIV is no different than any other wow clone, it hasn't sold amazingly well, it doesn't have that many more active players than any other mmo and going free to play is directly linked to player losses. 

  thark

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Joined: 1/01/03
Posts: 1110

5/13/14 5:11:13 PM#153
Originally posted by ZizouX

I havn't played ESO to make a comparison but I have been playing FFXIV for 8 months.

 

You don't need to bring another game down just to prop up your own game.   IT appears that  a majority of PLAYERS, as opposed to critics, disagree with you.  The average player rating for FFXIV is much higher than your player rating for ESO.  Using critics is a strawman argument when it is clear that majority of players seem to agree with the critics.

 

As for FFXIV, when it was released, it was POLISHED with very few bugs.  I keep reading about the bugs in ESO.  I keep reading about the phasing of quests where you can't even group up with friends unless you're on the EXACT same part of the quest.  I keep hearing that the quests arn't particularly well written or feel anticlimactic.  Lastly, it seems that ESO has an identity crisis going on.  It's a mediocre mmo and a mediocre Elder Scrolls game.   It tries to be both at the same time and fails miserably at it.

 

When FFXIV released, it offered 16 dungeons, an 8 man raid, and three primal fights with story mode and hard version.  It offers traditional quests and open world real time quests (FATES).  It offers a very "final fantasy" experience.  It knows what it is and waht it offers.  It doesn't have an identity crisis.

 

There is 0% chance that FFXIV will go free to play in the next few years based on its huge financial success.  Let's see if ESO can say the same.

 

TLDR:  No need to show ESO love by trying to tear down another game (FFXIV).  Let's see if ESO can be half as successful as FFXIV before you start making baseless comparisons.

You should not Believe Everything you read :)

Half of it is not true , the rest is so exaggerated beyond any real sence at all, and It's mantrad over and over and over again by some people that has made it their mission to grief Zenimax for their perfectly alright game..

  Gravehill

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Joined: 2/06/14
Posts: 96

5/13/14 6:04:50 PM#154
Originally posted by amber-r
Originally posted by ZizouX

Sorry to Necro this thread, but I promised I would return as soon as SE's financial forecasts were released.

 

I said that FFXIV is going strong after 9 months of release and there is no indication it will ever go Free to Play.   This game is one of the few P2P games that will stay P2P for the forseeable future.

 

Many of you disagreed stating that FFXIV was"dying" and it was a matter of time before it goes free to play.

 

 

Here, you go.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/09/square-enix-boosts-financial-forecast-following-favourable-sales

 

That's an article on IGN (lol) a site well known for paid articles and reviews, we will see when the actual financial report comes out how things are going however the fact that they have refused to give any sub numbers since launch shows it's not doing that well, also that an article was released not long ago stating that the ps4 version vastly undersold expectations.  You are no better than any other fanboy, no matter what game you support and you're just as ridiculous as the ESO fanboys that claim this game is a massive success.

 

When will FFXIV go free to play?  Probably the same amount of time every other mmo does, within 12 to 18 month from launch.  No company gives any indication it's happening until it's happening, they could be working on the conversion right now for all you or I know.

 

You say it won't go free to play like you have insider information, even though the developer has said many times he is still taking it under consideration and will change if it's needed. 

 

FFXIV is no different than any other wow clone, it hasn't sold amazingly well, it doesn't have that many more active players than any other mmo and going free to play is directly linked to player losses. 

That article linked to the financial report.

  nbtscan

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Joined: 10/06/06
Posts: 520

5/13/14 6:26:06 PM#155
Originally posted by amber-r
When will FFXIV go free to play?  Probably the same amount of time every other mmo does, within 12 to 18 month from launch.  No company gives any indication it's happening until it's happening, they could be working on the conversion right now for all you or I know.

 

You say it won't go free to play like you have insider information, even though the developer has said many times he is still taking it under consideration and will change if it's needed. 

 

FFXIV is no different than any other wow clone, it hasn't sold amazingly well, it doesn't have that many more active players than any other mmo and going free to play is directly linked to player losses. 

I'm guessing you haven't played this for any great length of time or actually follow the game at all, but this game is doing well and isn't going F2P anytime soon.  There are commonly character creation restrictions placed on the more popular servers and many servers still have login queues during their respective prime times.  I don't know what you consider "amazingly well" sales, but they have over 2 million registered accounts (not active subscribers, I know the difference) and were surprised at how many people were hammering their servers the first two weeks, so I'd like to think SE is happy with where the game is at from a sales perspective.

There's also the history of SE with FFXI.  It's a game that has been P2P for over 11 years, despite its rather dwindling population now.  SE, like Blizzard, is in the unique position of actually being able to publish and develop their own game without the need of outside investors, so even if the game happens to take a large dip after some time, they can still afford to keep their game afloat without having to go the F2P route.

While FFXIV isn't innovative, it's good at what it does:  a game that refines many conventions that are successful in other MMOs to work within its boundaries, while bringing it's unique touch through a strong single player story. (which requires interaction with other players)  It has large content updates every 3 months which bring a new system into the game each time.

I realize this is an ESO thread, so sorry for derailing, I just don't like it when people sling around misinformation.

  Sinaku

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Posts: 481

5/13/14 6:39:03 PM#156

Why do you care? Play the game you like, don't play the game you don't like. It really is as simple as that.

  ChicagoCub

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5/13/14 6:44:22 PM#157
Originally posted by JoeyMMO
Skyrim Online is what many people were expecting, they got a mediocre MMO with an ES skin. Many people are NOT at all happy with this. They used the IP, making for a lot of unhappy customers.

^This

I think if you're going to compare it to the FF series you have to look at where they came from.  FF was a strong console game so any translation to PC was going to be an improvement.  ESO on the other hand appears to have gone the other way, taking a strong PC title and dumbing down the online version to accommodate the consoles.

  Usinger

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5/13/14 6:48:28 PM#158

I like ESO; I just can't play it.

 Me:  typical casual gamer...older, family, job.  Just want to log on for an hour, have fun

ESO:  frustrating...solo bosses...tricky chests...die way too much

 

I think it's a good game.  I really do...but I can't play it...not fun for me...

  keithian

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OP  5/13/14 10:11:26 PM#159
Originally posted by Usinger

I like ESO; I just can't play it.

 Me:  typical casual gamer...older, family, job.  Just want to log on for an hour, have fun

ESO:  frustrating...solo bosses...tricky chests...die way too much

 

I think it's a good game.  I really do...but I can't play it...not fun for me...

There are many including myself who would help you through this. Im only level 36 despite 5 days of early access, a relatively slow leveler because of the life I have outside of gaming, and I always find help when needed. I know they are focusing on releasing a mentoring system as well so that higher level players can drop down to help which was pretty common in older games like Everquest 2. You might want to come back when that happens. By then most of the bugs will be gone too and many better grouping tools implemented. Just something to ponder :-). Good luck with the more important things though, like the family and job :-) hehe

There Is Always Hope!

  amber-r

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5/14/14 10:51:12 AM#160
Originally posted by nbtscan
Originally posted by amber-r
When will FFXIV go free to play?  Probably the same amount of time every other mmo does, within 12 to 18 month from launch.  No company gives any indication it's happening until it's happening, they could be working on the conversion right now for all you or I know.

 

You say it won't go free to play like you have insider information, even though the developer has said many times he is still taking it under consideration and will change if it's needed. 

 

FFXIV is no different than any other wow clone, it hasn't sold amazingly well, it doesn't have that many more active players than any other mmo and going free to play is directly linked to player losses. 

I'm guessing you haven't played this for any great length of time or actually follow the game at all, but this game is doing well and isn't going F2P anytime soon.  There are commonly character creation restrictions placed on the more popular servers and many servers still have login queues during their respective prime times.  I don't know what you consider "amazingly well" sales, but they have over 2 million registered accounts (not active subscribers, I know the difference) and were surprised at how many people were hammering their servers the first two weeks, so I'd like to think SE is happy with where the game is at from a sales perspective.

There's also the history of SE with FFXI.  It's a game that has been P2P for over 11 years, despite its rather dwindling population now.  SE, like Blizzard, is in the unique position of actually being able to publish and develop their own game without the need of outside investors, so even if the game happens to take a large dip after some time, they can still afford to keep their game afloat without having to go the F2P route.

While FFXIV isn't innovative, it's good at what it does:  a game that refines many conventions that are successful in other MMOs to work within its boundaries, while bringing it's unique touch through a strong single player story. (which requires interaction with other players)  It has large content updates every 3 months which bring a new system into the game each time.

I realize this is an ESO thread, so sorry for derailing, I just don't like it when people sling around misinformation.

Registered players doesn't mean sales, it means anyone that created a SE account.  This includes beta players, who had to create a SE account to play betas.

 

Free to play has been stated to be something under consideration by Square Enix lead developer Yoshida.  He has stated this many times.  All modern MMO titles go free to play within the 12 month to 2 year time frame, FFXIV is not yet at that point.

 

A previous title being p2p has no impact on what a company will do, especially a company not doing well (as is the case with SE).  FFXIV has already broken away from things FFXI did (cash shop items).

 

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