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  kishe

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firefighter lvl90

4/23/14 9:37:42 AM#421
Angry Joe is just a lum the mad wannabe.
  GeezerGamer

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It's a combination of Nightingale Armor with the Mod Truebound Deadric Armors

4/23/14 9:53:10 AM#422
Originally posted by kabitoshin
Never based a purchase off of someone elses opinion, ESO is an average MMO that is kinda like the SP series it's not amazingly fun, but is enjoyable. I pretty much bought this game for the leveling experience which has already given me enough time that I feel like my purchase had payed off and I still got a ways to go.

What would you recommend? Buy everything so all your opinions are 1st hand? 

I feel that the state of the genre is such that a total and complete failure is needed so it can be reborn anew.
I'm actually hoping this new generation of 8 button MMOs will make that happen.

  Dihoru

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4/23/14 10:35:39 AM#423
Originally posted by LordZeik
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by LordZeik
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by LordZeik
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by LordZeik
Originally posted by Panzerbase
Originally posted by cheyane

Meanwhile Angry Joe is at 302 k views on his ESO review. Yup the guy is a nobody but 300,000 people in a day viewed that video. So that many people have watched the bugs  on ESO . I'd be worried if I were Zenimax.

 

The IGN review in this section has 20 replies 545 views as opposed to the 348 posts and 5309 views on this thread and you guys are still questioning Angry Joe's impact.

And that's the bottom line, the word is out and it doesn't look good. Bad publicity slows sales and that forces companies to consider alternate sources of revenue such as FTP. But you know who hurts the game the most? It's not the "haters" or the reviewers. It's the the people ESO depends on most, the fans. When you people blindly let these problems go you are giving the company a free pass on poor performance and encouraging this behavior in the future. So yes go ahead and attack all of the people you think are out trying to hurt your game but in the end it is YOU doing ESO the greatest disservice of all.

You should take a step back on that one. Who has been giving who a pass? I remember when you could do an alpha or a beta by just signing up or having some decent credibility. Now you have to pay a "founder's fee". Not even going to get into the whole f2p evolution and what people gave company's as a free pass. Fact is those very same people who got f2p to this point want eso to turn into a f2p. I'd rather let zenimax bash me over the head with another one hundred bugged quests before some guy wipes his credit card across Cyrodiil. Oddly enough people like Joe support that f2p model... Then again a guy who has never reviewed a f2p mmo sure thinks highly of them.

You are in no position to critique either considering you've only played P2W games if you equate hidden costs games with free to play games.

Given the sheer number of mmorpg f2p games I have gone through 95% of them are p2w. Of course a majority of them you never hear about because their company goes under in less than a year. There are f2p games out there that don't add hidden costs. They are just not normally found in the  mmorpgs section. Pick ten mmorpgs that are f2p at random from the list. Get back to me with how many of them are p2w ^_^. If you pick one from r2/aeria/gpot-webzen/nexon/snail so forth you can auto mark those down as a point for my argument.

Your argument would matter if all P2P games are worth their sub... 90-95% aren't and go F2P/B2P, funny how that works out (yes my % are pulled from the same location as yours).

As for non-P2W games there are plenty if you look for them and many more are coming than P2W titles so yeah <3 keep at it.

I noticed you couldn't name me any games that are currently out. Point proven next! If you can't pay 50 cents a day ontop of a box price I would hate to see what you do when you see an ad on tv about feeding children from a third world country for 25 cents a day. So, it's not worth 50 cents a day to sub for a game. But, it's okay to get a deluxe founder's package for a game for say 75 dollars?A game that most people just want alpha or closed beta access to. You people really have a warped sense of spending money. Subscriptions are the devil.... Meanwhile some guy is spending 900 bucks a month on gamble boxes trying to get a rare squirrel or a gold gun to mow down people. Yay f2p!

Well first off I am not an idiot to believe those pay x amount a day to feed starving children charities, I do my part personally because I am not a fat prick with a lazy attitude.

Second off: Yes because no one is forcing you to get the founder's pack in a F2P (not P2W, know the difference lad) game.

Third off: Us people pay when we want to not when we're forced to and we choose to pay however much we want (I dropped 60 euros on War Thunder a few weeks ago on one of the ground forces advanced packs and one of the starter packs, if you claim P2W I will tell you: not when your exclusive tank can get knocked out just as easily with 1 shot as any other at your tier). Who wants and can afford 900 dollars a month on a game is welcome to splurge if it makes him/her happy and it does not give that person an unfair advantage (premium items of greater potency than you can ever get through normal gameplay, yes, yes I know your type wants to portray any items in a cash shop as pay to win but unless the game has a player run economy it does not matter as long as the items are on level with those obtainable in-game and not on a different level entirely, see Rift's 1st tier of raid gear in the cash shop).

Fourth off: You are in no position to talk about other people's spending habits especially when I doubt you yourself do not indulge in some form of self-pampering ( better gaming rig than you'd need, designer clothes, "farm raised" food, etc,etc).

And just because you seem to follow the mentality of Aoshi Shinamori before he dropped the idiotic "I shall place the flower on your grave" shit, fifth off:

You are already so far gone then. So, it's not okay for things like the imperial class to be locked behind an extra edition. But, it's okay for you to be charged for an alpha or a beta because you don't need it to play? Want your character name? Sorry someone else spent money to get it. Want some real advanced knowledge of the game before launch? Oh guess you are out of luck.

 

Oh funny you bring up rift. If you get to the top tier of their spender program you can unlock a movement speed advantage over everyone else. Granted that was the only advantage I found in their item mall. If you are a pve'er that doesn't mean much. Pvping however totally different story. I'm still waiting to see what tricks Trion has instore for AA. As for war thunder that is again off the grid. That's like saying well world of tanks changed their format and are free to win so let's go to another f2p company's website and try out all they have to offer. People's spending habits have screwed us over in the past and will continue to do so. You could go buy a 30 dollar copy of MGS ground zero while you're at it.

Paying for content in bits and pieces becomes problematic over time. Look at DCUO and their system. The amount of content you would (have to buy) to get the current full game is crazy. However, if you subbed to their legendary system you would unlock everything. People cry about locking content behind walls, yet at the same want everything. How the heck are honest companies supposed to make a living like that? Oh I know by gouging the fk out of players with microtransactions!

 

 

 

 

[mod edit]

In order:

1) Yes because it is pay to play not free to play and even F2P games are eliminating buy to play races;

2) Character name = cosmetic, you will live if you have to be named Limp Biskit instead of Limp Bizkit;

3) Advanced knowledge? You have any idea how paid alpha games change? Hell even true betas will change allot and while you will have advanced knowledge... that is until the NDA lifts during open beta and you find out everything the guys that paid knew from written guides and videos, nice try;

4) P2W? Rift? 10% extra speed? really? are you gonna argue 10% extra riding speed is P2W? Lets say it takes you 20 seconds to get somewhere in pvp, you think 2 seconds will matter that much to the overall pace of the battle? If it was 25-50% yeah, P2W but 10%? a few extra seconds to kiss your ass goodbye? -sighs-

5) Wha? Off the grid? You mean you dislike it proving you wrong? How about hmm... lets see STO,NWO, Therian Saga, Mabinogi,EverEmber, Path of Exile? Want more? We can keep this up all day long.

[mod edit]

 

  JoeyMMO

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Joined: 10/09/11
Posts: 1318

To busy playing GW2 to post much around here... *shrug*

4/23/14 11:03:22 AM#424
Originally posted by stayontarget

If AJ would have given ESO a great score, half the people hear would say its spot on and the other half would say he sucks at reviews.    lolz

 

Funny how that works out.

If AJ had given ESO a great score he would be lying. ESO has some serious problems as an MMO. It's not great, it's going to take work to make it good, and a whole lot of work to make it really good. Still, it can be enjoyable to some, but I'm getting an SWTOR feeling over this game.

I hope the subs last them long enough to turn the game into a succes, but launching like this is not the best of signs.

  Lookwhostalking

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Joined: 4/20/14
Posts: 64

4/23/14 11:15:17 AM#425
Originally posted by JoeyMMO
Originally posted by stayontarget

If AJ would have given ESO a great score, half the people hear would say its spot on and the other half would say he sucks at reviews.    lolz

 

Funny how that works out.

If AJ had given ESO a great score he would be lying. ESO has some serious problems as an MMO. It's not great, it's going to take work to make it good, and a whole lot of work to make it really good. Still, it can be enjoyable to some, but I'm getting an SWTOR feeling over this game.

I hope the subs last them long enough to turn the game into a succes, but launching like this is not the best of signs.

 

Tbh, after ESO failure (at least in my eyes) i m already downloading SWTOR in order to play it until WildStar comes out. Hoping the best for the fans and players of ESO though. Different ppl different tastes :)

  Coman

Hard Core Member

Joined: 8/29/04
Posts: 1941

4/23/14 11:43:21 AM#426
Originally posted by cheyane

Meanwhile Angry Joe is at 302 k views on his ESO review. Yup the guy is a nobody but 300,000 people in a day viewed that video. So that many people have watched the bugs  on ESO . I'd be worried if I were Zenimax.

 

The IGN review in this section has 20 replies 545 views as opposed to the 348 posts and 5309 views on this thread and you guys are still questioning Angry Joe's impact.

This discussion is entertaining, not so much the review from Angry Joe ;).

  Coman

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Joined: 8/29/04
Posts: 1941

4/23/14 11:50:32 AM#427
Originally posted by Saio3
So if he's like anyone else... where are your 500+ videos about videogames posted? Where is your 500+ px gaming  community?

Because he spend so much time making video's, my guess is that I spend more time actually playing the games. So yes he might have 500+ video's, running a community and have loads of views. That however does not make him a bigger (or lesser) "authority" on video games. That also does not make his opinions more valid then mine. 

I think that is also what that person means. So in that regard he is like anyone else, simply giving his opinion about it. It might concern Zenimax, but it should not change our minds more then a review done by someone who has only 10.000 views. 

  Raelln

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Joined: 4/11/14
Posts: 20

4/23/14 12:31:11 PM#428
Originally posted by Coman
Originally posted by Saio3
So if he's like anyone else... where are your 500+ videos about videogames posted? Where is your 500+ px gaming  community?

Because he spend so much time making video's, my guess is that I spend more time actually playing the games. So yes he might have 500+ video's, running a community and have loads of views. That however does not make him a bigger (or lesser) "authority" on video games. That also does not make his opinions more valid then mine. 

I think that is also what that person means. So in that regard he is like anyone else, simply giving his opinion about it. It might concern Zenimax, but it should not change our minds more then a review done by someone who has only 10.000 views. 

You shouldn't have to play a game for 100+ hours just to get a feel for whether you will like it or not.

I've only watched one Angry Joe video (this ESO video) but I have heard of him before. Youtube personalities that do game reviews don't reach any type of "respected" status by being wildly wrong - viewers would quickly dismiss them as being hacks. That is obviously not what is going on with AJ though - he is respected - demonstrated by a great number of people following his channel.

Sadly, my time in the beta completely agrees with the jist of his review video. ESO is a prime example of making awesome cinematics but failing to make a game of the same quality.

Perhaps ESO would be much better if they hadn't dumped so much money into making those awesome cinematics and instead focused on making a game they could be proud of?

  LordZeik

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Joined: 2/17/08
Posts: 177

4/23/14 12:39:07 PM#429
POE is as much of an mmorpg as d3 is... So, we can take that one out of the equation. Aside from one game you listed the rest are all obscure. I wonder why such obscure games don't get the kinda recognition that the games where people throw thousands of dollars into get like say a PWI game hmmm? Freeium as you call it hides tons of content behind pay gates. I don't see your big boy joe reviewing any of these games. Or doing reviews on how the cash shop in GW2 effected the economy of that game. [mod edit]
  Rusque

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Posts: 1650

4/23/14 12:39:52 PM#430
Originally posted by Raelln
Originally posted by Coman
Originally posted by Saio3
So if he's like anyone else... where are your 500+ videos about videogames posted? Where is your 500+ px gaming  community?

Because he spend so much time making video's, my guess is that I spend more time actually playing the games. So yes he might have 500+ video's, running a community and have loads of views. That however does not make him a bigger (or lesser) "authority" on video games. That also does not make his opinions more valid then mine. 

I think that is also what that person means. So in that regard he is like anyone else, simply giving his opinion about it. It might concern Zenimax, but it should not change our minds more then a review done by someone who has only 10.000 views. 

You shouldn't have to play a game for 100+ hours just to get a feel for whether you will like it or not.

I've only watched one Angry Joe video (this ESO video) but I have heard of him before. Youtube personalities that do game reviews don't reach any type of "respected" status by being wildly wrong - viewers would quickly dismiss them as being hacks. That is obviously not what is going on with AJ though - he is respected - demonstrated by a great number of people following his channel.

Sadly, my time in the beta completely agrees with the jist of his review video. ESO is a prime example of making awesome cinematics but failing to make a game of the same quality.

Perhaps ESO would be much better if they hadn't dumped so much money into making those awesome cinematics and instead focused on making a game they could be proud of?

Yes, AJ is respected as demonstrated by a great number of people following his channel.

Therefore we can all agree that WoW is the best MMO as demonstrated by having the most subs.

Sorry I had to do it.

  Raelln

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4/23/14 12:43:16 PM#431
Originally posted by Rusque
Originally posted by Raelln
Originally posted by Coman
Originally posted by Saio3
So if he's like anyone else... where are your 500+ videos about videogames posted? Where is your 500+ px gaming  community?

Because he spend so much time making video's, my guess is that I spend more time actually playing the games. So yes he might have 500+ video's, running a community and have loads of views. That however does not make him a bigger (or lesser) "authority" on video games. That also does not make his opinions more valid then mine. 

I think that is also what that person means. So in that regard he is like anyone else, simply giving his opinion about it. It might concern Zenimax, but it should not change our minds more then a review done by someone who has only 10.000 views. 

You shouldn't have to play a game for 100+ hours just to get a feel for whether you will like it or not.

I've only watched one Angry Joe video (this ESO video) but I have heard of him before. Youtube personalities that do game reviews don't reach any type of "respected" status by being wildly wrong - viewers would quickly dismiss them as being hacks. That is obviously not what is going on with AJ though - he is respected - demonstrated by a great number of people following his channel.

Sadly, my time in the beta completely agrees with the jist of his review video. ESO is a prime example of making awesome cinematics but failing to make a game of the same quality.

Perhaps ESO would be much better if they hadn't dumped so much money into making those awesome cinematics and instead focused on making a game they could be proud of?

Yes, AJ is respected as demonstrated by a great number of people following his channel.

Therefore we can all agree that WoW is the best MMO as demonstrated by having the most subs.

Sorry I had to do it.

Apples and oranges.

I did not say AJ was the best game reviewer. I didn't say he was always right. I said he was respected by the gaming community.

As for WoW, it's the elephant in the room that everything is compared to at some point. Best or not, it's had the most success for a sub-based game and what nearly every game developer (even single player) aspire to these days.

Shoot, you can't hardly even find a single-player game that hasn't inherited at least one thing WoW does - be it talent trees, UI setup or something.

  laserit

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Posts: 1376

Confusius say: Man who go to bed with itchy bum wake up with stinky finger

4/23/14 12:52:50 PM#432

The guys an entertainer.  He showboats, he's good for a couple laugh's, power to him

 

I have to wonder how much of his review are of his own experience and thoughts and how much is from reading forums like this and just going with the flow.

 

Personally:  I cant take him as a serious game reviewer.

Zenimax kicked my dog

  askdaboss

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Posts: 426

4/23/14 12:52:55 PM#433
Originally posted by Rusque

Yes, AJ is respected as demonstrated by a great number of people following his channel.

Therefore we can all agree that WoW is the best MMO as demonstrated by having the most subs.

Sorry I had to do it.

Any MMORPG (ESO included) would swap their current user base on the spot to be the "failure" WoW is.

The fact that ESO has less money and less players certainly doesn't make ESO better than WoW, and probably won't help the game in the long run either.

  greatskys

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Joined: 4/02/14
Posts: 220

4/23/14 1:04:24 PM#434

I think the rating is a bit on the low side . I'm enjoying it but he did make some good points . The thing that stands out about TESO for me is that it wouldn't be getting anywhere near as much criticism if had been buy to play and had charged for DLCS when they are available in the same way TSW does . For me theres enough there to keep me interested for at least 4 months as I'm planning on playing 3 characters one of each faction .

A lot will depend on what it has to offer after that but I doubt the developers will be able to put significant amounts of content out once every 6-8 weeks for me to be able to justify the subscription been value for money . I suspect I will probably end up playing it two or three months when theres a new patch . 

Its a shame because it really would have shone as a buy to play title instead of that they have got a lot animosity towards it . Partly because they released with a cash shop , partly because it is bugged ( but its not as bad as some I've seen ) , partly because theres mess ups like the recent banning of legitimate accounts without reimbursing them for the time lost and partly because they locked things like the imperials in the delux edition . 

Personally I would give it a 8 out of 10 for the game itself from what I have seen so far and a 5 out of 10 for how Zenimax have handled the launch and a 1 out of 10 for their customer relations.

  Creslin321

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4/23/14 1:29:43 PM#435
Originally posted by jircris
Originally posted by Lazarus71
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by jircris
hmm games out for 3 weeks...it has bugs thus is sucks? intresting i guess i been doing this wrong..you know giving mmos a couple months before saying they suck. oh well i learned something new! but back on topic, AJ's reviews are usually pointless and the ones who comment about how spot on he is are people who tend to follow him on YT. I have nothing against him or anyone else who writes reviews, but honestly give the game some time to get fixed. Don't make me bring up WoWs launch...and if you claim there was not THIS many issues for WoW...let me remind you for the first week not many people could log on due to crashing right as it was loading. Then there was dupeing that lasted 3 months, and also account security issues.. OH and gold sellers...lots of em....in fact i saw one on there a few days ago.

Much of the negative stuff he mentions in the review isn't due to bugs, it's just due to poor design.

The major two offenders being:

1.  RAMPANT boss camping is almost every single public dungeon which really kills the experience.

2.  Phasing preventing friends from grouping in a very large portion of the open world PvE.

I love the game and play it every day (for now) but there is no arguing the two points Creslin just mentioned. Number one is the worst issue for me personally. It has taken the joy out of all the public boss fights and public dungeons with boss spawns. There are either

A. 5-6 bots standing there ready to instantly kill the boss

B. A group of 5-10 other players ready to burn the spawn down in a millisecond

C. A combo of A and B.

This takes the thrill, excitement and challenge out of these encounters and kills one of my favorite parts of the game.

The bots are here due to a lovely little thing called free 30 days, get rid of that and bots have to pay monthly..wont stop them sadly due to the fact people will all ways buy from them. And if you read the dev section on eso they are looking in to how monsters spawn including bosses and seeing if they cant implement a way to at least make it harder for bots to continue their rampage. It still boils down to the game is new and will need to be "fixed" over time. changes made to spawns and such, maybe even adding extra anti bot things.

But the 30 days aren't free...

The 30 days actually cost $60, the full box price of the game.  So really, you pay $60 for the first month, and $15 for every subsequent month.

Why would a botter be willing to pay $60 a month but not $15 a month???

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  Wakygreek

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Joined: 4/30/08
Posts: 1244

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4/23/14 1:34:32 PM#436
Originally posted by laserit

The guys an entertainer.  He showboats, he's good for a couple laugh's, power to him

 

I have to wonder how much of his review are of his own experience and thoughts and how much is from reading forums like this and just going with the flow.

 

Personally:  I cant take him as a serious game reviewer.

I understand how you feel towards AJ and I do agree to an extent that he is an entertainer. However he does have footage of him actually playing the game when he showcases bugs/glitches or points that hes trying to make. I think it is a little unrealistic to assume that he goes through forums for a generic opinion of the game. Hes a good reviewer if you listen to the core of his review and try to block out the necessary fluff.

  Rusque

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Joined: 6/08/10
Posts: 1650

4/23/14 1:37:33 PM#437

Originally posted by Raelln

Originally posted by Rusque

Yes, AJ is respected as demonstrated by a great number of people following his channel.

Therefore we can all agree that WoW is the best MMO as demonstrated by having the most subs.

Sorry I had to do it.

Apples and oranges.

I did not say AJ was the best game reviewer. I didn't say he was always right. I said he was respected by the gaming community.

As for WoW, it's the elephant in the room that everything is compared to at some point. Best or not, it's had the most success for a sub-based game and what nearly every game developer (even single player) aspire to these days.

Shoot, you can't hardly even find a single-player game that hasn't inherited at least one thing WoW does - be it talent trees, UI setup or something.

Right, you said having a lot of followers means he's respected. That's a false equivalency which is why I brought up the WoW false equivalency. Having a lot of followers means he's entertaining. Whether or not those people value his reviews and make decisions based on them because they respect him and his review is another matter.

I remember Joe's reaction to the Xbone, it was over the top, but it was humorous. Sometimes he's funny, most of the time he's douchey because he lacks finesse and knowing when to stop telling the joke. He let things drag on because he wants to prove a point, so his delivery is a bit one-note and simplistic. See that Zero Sum review for someone who deliver a much more scathing overview of the ESO and MMO genre as a whole, but does it in 5 minutes vs Joe's 40 (this might be because Joe spent 8 minutes talking about bugs).

 

Originally posted by askdaboss

Originally posted by Rusque

Yes, AJ is respected as demonstrated by a great number of people following his channel.

Therefore we can all agree that WoW is the best MMO as demonstrated by having the most subs.

Sorry I had to do it.

Any MMORPG (ESO included) would swap their current user base on the spot to be the "failure" WoW is.

The fact that ESO has less money and less players certainly doesn't make ESO better than WoW, and probably won't help the game in the long run either.


The point.

 

You.

  Teala

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Joined: 6/16/04
Posts: 7431

"Really officer, they're herbs."

4/23/14 1:59:09 PM#438
Originally posted by kishe
Angry Joe is just a lum the mad wannabe.

Not certain many posters here even know who you are referencing.   Also, Lum made his name off primarily one particular game.    Same for Tweety.   Both of whom went to work at Mythic, eventually.    As for AJ, he does lots of reviews on many games, across all platforms.    Lum might have had his day, but he is no Angry Joe...Lum would have killed to have the following AJ has.

  DrunkWolf

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Joined: 5/07/09
Posts: 1058

4/23/14 2:04:51 PM#439
I like how Joe tells it like it is, he doesnt sugar coat anything. he is like the fanboys worst nightmare. he doesnt sell hopes and dreams, if somthing is broken or stupid he says it. he doesnt make excuses for it.
  jpnz

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Posts: 3480

4/23/14 3:10:48 PM#440
Originally posted by DrunkWolf
I like how Joe tells it like it is, he doesnt sugar coat anything. he is like the fanboys worst nightmare. he doesnt sell hopes and dreams, if somthing is broken or stupid he says it. he doesnt make excuses for it.

This is why I look for AJ (or Totalbiscuit) opinion before I buy a game. I don't always agree with AJ's opinion but I can see the logic and understand them since he gives me the raw stuff and I can form my own opinion around it.

Disclosure: I am skipping ESO (had it preordered but canceled after the imperial stuff) till F2P

 

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