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  Ikonoclastia

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Joined: 1/31/11
Posts: 184

 
OP  4/22/14 4:10:27 AM#221
Originally posted by uplink4242

I was actually going to write a proper reply to your post, but then I noticed this thread derived into a sea of bullshit accusations and factless evidence. It's a shame most people here have no idea about the history of  trolling and baseless posts you've written in the official boards. 

 

Your post alledges"bullshit" and "factless evidence" but you don't actually specify any.  I'd be interested to know what specifically I have said that is "bullshit" and "factless evidence".  

Do you deny that the forums are being moderated in a biased fashion?

Do you deny that a number of current and former developers are part of Goonswarm?

Do you deny that the requirement for any smaller entity to turn up 24 hours after an attack to be met by a % of the 40,000 CFC to finish off an attack isn't beneficial to the 40,000 CFC members?

Do you deny that the only permanent member of the CSM is a Goon, that the soveriegnty system wasn't at least partially designed by a former EvE player, turned developer, turned PL leader?

Do you deny that CCP staged an event which directly dropped 800 billion isk worth of extremely rare monocles to that same ex-Dev now leader of PL?

Do you deny that same ex-player, turned dev, turned PL leader is not and has not been the chairperson of the CSM.

Do you deny that the voting process for CSM means the CFC and Goons can vote in as many members of the CFC / Goons as they want.

Do you deny that petitions regarding my harassment were never acted upon.  I can't tell you if it was either because GM's refuse to actually tell you if anything was done.  All I know is that person is still in game.

Do you deny that any post that the forum trolls and abusers dont' like is filled with hate, spam and trolling until the ISD locks it rather than take care of the trolls, haters and spammers??

There is a lot more you could deny but the truth is the truth and mere denials don't change that.

 

  MauriceMacouille

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Joined: 4/21/14
Posts: 8

4/22/14 4:19:09 AM#222
Originally posted by Ikonoclastia
Originally posted by hfztt
Originally posted by MauriceMacouille


EvE wasn´t always that way. Griefers started breeding wildly around 2008.

Not true. Griefing has been widespread in EVE since day 0.

What has changed is that griefing as a lifestyle in EVE is much more accepted, which means that it is now something you brag about, where earlier you would do it on an alt and certainly not tell anyone but your most trusted corpmates about it.

It has gone from being gameplay wise acceptable to also being socially acceptable.

That is the great change that came with the fall of BoB's e-honor empire and the rise of Goon'ism.

Yeah this is true.  Griefing (screw my teacher who told me to put an i before e except after c, its really messed with my spelling) has been around since day 0.

But we also had a CCP who cared about keeping every player they could get.  It was a CCP that was invested in their game, not their friendships with certain players theyve made out of game within Goonswarm, the CSM and ISD.

When CCP made changes to the game that imbalanced ships, such that mining and missioning ships could be alpha'd down in one shot they beefed up Concord or fixed those issues.  When players found holes in the code they banned those players for exploting (Zombie, an entire corporation of players was banned for such an exploit).  

But as CCP's playerbase grew, as devs left and other devs from inside the playerbase were recruited, likely more to do with out of game friendships rather than development skill, the devs became less and less likely to take action.  Exploits and imbalanced mechanics which were beneficial to favoured in game entities were allowed to stay in and be exploited and only then patched out and declared bannable after being farmed for years (tech moons as an example).

We're at a stage now that Goonswarm, despite having abused timers for years, and having almost taken over the entire player claimable areas, is still allowed to abuse those timers.  Despite the timer issue killing the primary reason to play EVE, big space battles of thousands of players on each side, the timer issue has been declared 'working fine and we're not intending to change anything in the immediate future".  

The rot starts within CCP, because CCP has allowed itself to become mired in external RL friendships, with both Goonswarm, PL, the griefers, the CSM, CCP itself and the ISD not being able to be independent of the other groups.   

 

I´m sorry but if you`ve been around since 2003 you know fully well that recruitment scams and the like were quasi non-existent until a couple years ago, and that before 0.0 had stabilized into goons vs everyone, being scanned while running a mission was a very rare occurence for example. Let´s not even talk about high-sec ganking, which was seldom heard of between MoO´s exploits and hulkageddon´s variations.

The communitiy has very clearly changed, and as griefing became more widespread it became more socially accepted, or the reverse, or both. To pretend otherwise is blatant lying.

  Ikonoclastia

Novice Member

Joined: 1/31/11
Posts: 184

 
OP  4/22/14 4:21:58 AM#223
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by uplink4242

I was actually going to write a proper reply to your post, but then I noticed this thread derived into a sea of bullshit accusations and factless evidence. It's a shame most people here have no idea about the history of  trolling and baseless posts you've written in the official boards. 

 

I am well aware of it actually... hence why I am laughing my ass off at IK trying to rationalize him abusing a group of players, with good reasons people!, while trying to be a victim himself. Surprising amount of self-servicing there to be honest but even more surprising is the amount of people jumping onto his bandwagon either trying to dodge them getting made a fool of in-game because they did not apply rudimentary logic coupled with the game's unspoken rules or are just in it to stir drama like oh so many gaming "news" sites.

Since when is a war against an alliance considered abusing players?  If you want to expand on that then anyone going into another persons sovereign space to kill them is abusing players?  I guess any sovereignty war then is abuse since it's very much what I did to Tribal.  

No clearly you seem intent on trying to justify creating alts to follow one player around for 4 months verbally abusing by calling them a pedophile and inferring they watch child porn by very wrongly comparing that behavior to normal pvp play.  

  Smintar

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Joined: 7/12/06
Posts: 176

4/22/14 4:31:02 AM#224
I totally agree with you and its this reason I will not play this one I started in Beta and tried it for a while But this community is just pathetic and I too tell players to stay away from this!
  Malcanis

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Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 3210

"A very special kind of stupidity"

4/22/14 5:37:03 AM#225

My experience with EVE is that people get out of it what they put into it.

For some reason, people who spend all their time complaining about other people rarely seem to do well in EVE.

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  User Deleted
4/22/14 5:50:14 AM#226
Originally posted by Ikonoclastia
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by uplink4242

I was actually going to write a proper reply to your post, but then I noticed this thread derived into a sea of bullshit accusations and factless evidence. It's a shame most people here have no idea about the history of  trolling and baseless posts you've written in the official boards. 

 

I am well aware of it actually... hence why I am laughing my ass off at IK trying to rationalize him abusing a group of players, with good reasons people!, while trying to be a victim himself. Surprising amount of self-servicing there to be honest but even more surprising is the amount of people jumping onto his bandwagon either trying to dodge them getting made a fool of in-game because they did not apply rudimentary logic coupled with the game's unspoken rules or are just in it to stir drama like oh so many gaming "news" sites.

Since when is a war against an alliance considered abusing players?  If you want to expand on that then anyone going into another persons sovereign space to kill them is abusing players?  I guess any sovereignty war then is abuse since it's very much what I did to Tribal.  

No clearly you seem intent on trying to justify creating alts to follow one player around for 4 months verbally abusing by calling them a pedophile and inferring they watch child porn by very wrongly comparing that behavior to normal pvp play.  

The only one justifying anything is you because going into a enemy alliance's space to kill players is ok, denying them use of their own space via afk cloaking in their systems for days or weeks at a time and verbally abusing them while you're at it isn't and trust me if there was a means to declare war on a individual you would've been at war for those months you were "stalked" and "abused" for what can only be your past transgressions not some make believe reason you can cook up. Also differentiating between one form of verbal abuse and another is pointless because they targeted your weakness not a specific disturbing facet of life because I rather doubt they would've kept calling you a pedobear if you didn't care.

 

Fun fact: You shouldn't care what someone is calling you in a online game except maybe if they knew you in real life. If you were getting called a pedo on your facebook, myspace, twitter, whatever, then it classes as harassment but until then de-inflate your ego and learn to take the abuse you "righteously" doll out during what you consider to be normal circumstances (which are at best only a subset).

 

  free2play

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Joined: 10/13/05
Posts: 1817

4/22/14 12:37:04 PM#227
Originally posted by Rigur

Let them have their cesspit. Send as many bad players to that game as possible. Anything to keep them from other games.

Sorry about you being greifed and trolled. That's what these people find fun. Sadly you will have the same thing happen here for posting this.

Cold, harsh Universe, blah, blah, blah.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sociopath

  hfztt

Hard Core Member

Joined: 5/31/05
Posts: 634

4/22/14 12:42:43 PM#228
Originally posted by Malcanis

My experience with EVE is that people get out of it what they put into it.

For some reason, people who spend all their time complaining about other people rarely seem to do well in EVE.

This really. EVE tends to work like a mirror. Well put!

  Bladestrom

Elite Member

Joined: 4/04/11
Posts: 3512

4/22/14 12:49:13 PM#229
agree not worth 80, but once price comes down, getting both for the price of a full price game is awesome value for money. It's all about paying what you think a game is worth.

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Now playing GW2, AOW 3

  Bladestrom

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4/22/14 12:50:34 PM#230
Wrong thread ^^

rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW (1000 hrs on main mage)> oblivion > LOTR (480 Hunter) > Rift (230 hours mage) > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(900 elementalist), Wildstar

Now playing GW2, AOW 3

  LeGrosGamer

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Joined: 7/06/13
Posts: 214

4/22/14 12:56:22 PM#231
CCP used to be a great company, like 8 years ago.  CCP is trash and why the game will never have more then 100K+ players online at any given time.   If you suck at life and got nothing better to do, then go play EVE online and dish out your frustration on the community, you'll most likely be invited to join a "leet" corporation filled with A-holes.    Why this game isn't F2P yet is beyond me, I don't understand why people are paying a monthly fee towards a game where scamming is 100% legal.   I'd put World of Darkness on pause for a few years if I were CCP to sort all the crap that is going on within EVE-Online.  Anyways, it doesn't matter, Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous will just make EVE die off that much quicker.  It makes me sick to have been part of the game back in 2002 and to see how it ended being like today. 
  hfztt

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Joined: 5/31/05
Posts: 634

4/22/14 12:59:11 PM#232
Originally posted by MauriceMacouille

I´m sorry but if you`ve been around since 2003 you know fully well that recruitment scams and the like were quasi non-existent until a couple years ago, and that before 0.0 had stabilized into goons vs everyone, being scanned while running a mission was a very rare occurence for example. Let´s not even talk about high-sec ganking, which was seldom heard of between MoO´s exploits and hulkageddon´s variations.

The communitiy has very clearly changed, and as griefing became more widespread it became more socially accepted, or the reverse, or both. To pretend otherwise is blatant lying.

I have been playing from 2003 and I know that you either have a very poor memory or havent been to much in empire from 2003 to 2008. Suicide ganks, mission herasment etc. was very common back then as well.

Personally I was suicide ganked in empire several times in that period. And if you cant remember, for example, why CCP evetlually changed remote reps to NOT work on NPC's, well, then you seem to have very selective memory.

That said I agree that the community have been smitten by Goon'ism at large making being  a griefer not only socially acceptable but a mark of honor. Fortunately it is fairly easy to find old school e-honor poeple to play with and gank those looser goons, which happens to be much more gratifying than just killing n00bs, so not all is lost.

  Umbrood

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Joined: 7/09/03
Posts: 1845

4/22/14 1:07:12 PM#233

EVE is, ( even though I played for many years ), the Jupiter of the MMO system.

It keeps most of the really REALLY bad things in the universe from hitting the planet were you live.

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Originally posted by Jerek_

I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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  Tymoris

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Joined: 10/29/09
Posts: 342

Innocence Proves Nothing

4/22/14 1:08:17 PM#234
Reading through this thread it makes me realize I must have been very privileged that the only bad experience i had from EvE was when a very polite pirate caught me with my pants down and ransomed me for like 4 mil and just let me go on my own merry way>.>

  Makidian

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4/22/14 2:05:35 PM#235
This thread is still going ? Really ? Lol. 
  MauriceMacouille

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Joined: 4/21/14
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4/22/14 3:14:23 PM#236
Originally posted by hfztt
Originally posted by Malcanis

My experience with EVE is that people get out of it what they put into it.

For some reason, people who spend all their time complaining about other people rarely seem to do well in EVE.

This really. EVE tends to work like a mirror. Well put!

 

Apart from sheer luck, or having RL pals who are already high in the New Eden foodchain, there are only two ways to be successful in EvE

- Treating it as a second job, with all that it implies

- Metagaming the hell out of it, indulging in lying, deceit, and psychological manipulation of other RL gamers

 

Strangely enough, none of those ways have anything to do with playful gaming.

 

And no, griefing/scamming was not as widespread 2003-2008 as it is now. Sorry about that. The griefer population just bred, and anyone who's not one knows this, while everyone who is, is so busy pushing the envelope of "emerging content" that they'll pretend it´s always been like that, to preemptively discredit remarks that such ways of gaming an online videogame do not belong in an online videogame, even though CCP makes bank with the general sadism and masochism of its playerbase and coddles sociopathic metagaming.

 

 

 

  User Deleted
4/22/14 4:53:53 PM#237
Originally posted by MauriceMacouille
Originally posted by hfztt
Originally posted by Malcanis

My experience with EVE is that people get out of it what they put into it.

For some reason, people who spend all their time complaining about other people rarely seem to do well in EVE.

This really. EVE tends to work like a mirror. Well put!

 

Apart from sheer luck, or having RL pals who are already high in the New Eden foodchain, there are only two ways to be successful in EvE

- Treating it as a second job, with all that it implies

- Metagaming the hell out of it, indulging in lying, deceit, and psychological manipulation of other RL gamers

 

Strangely enough, none of those ways have anything to do with playful gaming.

 

And no, griefing/scamming was not as widespread 2003-2008 as it is now. Sorry about that. The griefer population just bred, and anyone who's not one knows this, while everyone who is, is so busy pushing the envelope of "emerging content" that they'll pretend it´s always been like that, to preemptively discredit remarks that such ways of gaming an online videogame do not belong in an online videogame, even though CCP makes bank with the general sadism and masochism of its playerbase and coddles sociopathic metagaming.

 

 

 

Aside from the fact this person has appeared with this thread and so far posts only here he's about as correct in what he says as the guys who in the 1990s claimed to have induced nuclear fusion using chemical processes (similar in principal to a car battery).

Also to the people claiming EVE is filled with sociopaths the 4th rule of surviving in EVE-Online (after do not fly what you cannot afford to lose, do not believe something too good to be true and be sparse with your trust of others) is do not be a dick to those around you and considering people who claim the game is filled with sociopaths are usually the ones who cannot find a group in the game I will let you guess which criteria to be declared a sociopath they themselves fulfill.

Also again to Maurice's point about what is required to be successful in the game:

-do not treat it as a second job, never have never will;

-I do not meta though I do follow it with some curiosity;

-I have fun in the game by having found a group of people I get along with very well and doing stuff with them or just talking on ts when there's nothing to do in-game. Kinda telling you only see anti-social solutions to the EVE fun question. Oh and before you ask: Wormhole PVE corp with PVP self-defense ops.

  MauriceMacouille

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4/22/14 5:12:01 PM#238

You mean Pons & Fleischmann? You´re gonna be one very sad panda in the coming years. Even universities and NASA are working on low-energy nuclear reactions.

"Surviving EvE"? I want, just as many others, play spaceships in space, not internet paranoia, because guess what, it´s only fun if you´ve got issues. While the sandbox is awesome, online sociopaths who log in with the only and express purpose of making other people mad in a videogame, deserve a restraining order and should be forbidden to come withing two clicks of an online game. Their "emerging content" has trammelized UO and made sure that most MMOs are themeparks, not sandboxes.

Your EvE experience is fascinating and it sure can be applied to the hundred of thousand people who tried this game and despised its toxic community. Well not really, because according to the EvE playerbase, they didn`t HTFU, spineless fags that they are. Playing a videogame so that everybody has fun? what kind of degeneracy is that?

Congratulations on having a cool dozen billion isk, but are you aware those are pennies to the real successful people in EvE? those whose only interest is in the meta and psychological manipulation of others. But then, if you have fun speaking on TS when nothing happens in your WH, I guess you're successful at EvE -or at least voice comms-.

 

  Kazuhiro

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4/22/14 5:12:11 PM#239
Well I still play eve online, since some of the crap got fixed, but yes I admit it does have the worst gaming community in the world. I'd drop eve online like a sack of sh*t if there was a legitimate competitor in the Spaceship-mmo field, but there isn't... yet.

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4/22/14 6:56:53 PM#240
Originally posted by MauriceMacouille

You mean Pons & Fleischmann? You´re gonna be one very sad panda in the coming years. Even universities and NASA are working on low-energy nuclear reactions.

"Surviving EvE"? I want, just as many others, play spaceships in space, not internet paranoia, because guess what, it´s only fun if you´ve got issues. While the sandbox is awesome, online sociopaths who log in with the only and express purpose of making other people mad in a videogame, deserve a restraining order and should be forbidden to come withing two clicks of an online game. Their "emerging content" has trammelized UO and made sure that most MMOs are themeparks, not sandboxes.

Your EvE experience is fascinating and it sure can be applied to the hundred of thousand people who tried this game and despised its toxic community. Well not really, because according to the EvE playerbase, they didn`t HTFU, spineless fags that they are. Playing a videogame so that everybody has fun? what kind of degeneracy is that?

Congratulations on having a cool dozen billion isk, but are you aware those are pennies to the real successful people in EvE? those whose only interest is in the meta and psychological manipulation of others. But then, if you have fun speaking on TS when nothing happens in your WH, I guess you're successful at EvE -or at least voice comms-.

 

Considering I am studying in the field... only muon-catalyzed fusion may be possible if they ever fix the efficiency of the reaction ( muons required during the entire process to cause fusion in the fuel, can't remember off the top of my head at this hour if it was the D-T or D-D type). And as for the universities and NASA bit: yes both partake in the field of research but between the ASDEX Upgrade, ITER,K-star, K-Demo,etc and the inertial confinement experiments in the US plus the stellarator secondaries in the EU you have an awful lot of raw information flying around (measurements take usually a few seconds each but the analysis can take years and does not always yield anything useful) and while the Skunk Works proposed a fusion reactor by 2017 and production ready by 2022... unless they discovered something truly revolutionary they are overly optimistic ( look up Edge Localized Events to get an idea of the current headache for magnetic fusion reactors and the inertial ones... well they have issues sustaining power output over any period of time by what I know ).

I was gonna say you are wrong but then I noticed you get mad because of a video game (upset ok, angry maybe, but mad? for pixels? the problem isn't the "sociopath" in that equation).

Just as many ended up leaving EQ, similar numbers left SWG, WoW has a "kill count" in the millions with much more toxic behavior after the mid 2000s, World of Tanks has hundreds if not thousands of griefers in the game on any one given server who will just flat out ruin your game for no reason (unlike EVE griefers that usually have a trigger, see IK's previous treatment of other players as an example).

And this is the actual reason you bitch, moan and complain on here trying to get people to quit EVE or not even try it: You wanted to be that "successful" in a video game though ironically enough your own definition implies you would probably be just as big a bastard (in-game) as the ones who "meta". My advice is to sit down and to realize it is a game and how you define success is not how you also define your fun (one is the goal, the other is the journey). And quite I prefer being successful on voice coms to who I was back in my 0.0 days (nearly became the sad type of individual to afk cloak in other people's systems... thank god the old version of Goonswarm plowed through Paragon Soul displacing my alliance before that happened).

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