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  BeansnBread

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5562

4/22/14 1:33:50 PM#21

One option is to make currency account bound and make the game a dev based economy instead of a player based economy.  Devs set the prices for all the items you need for crafting/fighting/whatever. You can also get drops or find things in chests. You can gather mats. You can get items in almost every way you get them right now with the exception of getting them from other players.

 

Basically, make the player earn everything they have themselves. Build an account over time. Earn it yourself the whole way.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  User Deleted
4/22/14 1:38:32 PM#22

Setup their firewall to reject IP addresses from blocks assigned to certain parts of the world, such as China and Korea.  Then block IP's associated with VPN services.  That would cut out the vast majority of spammers and botters.  From there, it's a matter of updating the block list to reflect new VPN's that pop up (easy to do), and dealing with whatever is actually communicating from the US.

I do this kind of thing for my clients, to cut down on everything from email spam to external port scan attempts.

  BurntCabbage

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Joined: 3/23/14
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4/22/14 1:47:28 PM#23
whats sad is that people have no idea how this will kill the game if they  **ESO ** keep sitting on their hands and do nothing..can you picture the huge pvp zergs porting around with speed hacks and stealth hacks like they use while farming nodes? this game could be lost in a matter of weeks if they **so called chinese farmers** decided to do so...im sure everyones mother would unsubb and move to the next new mmorpg but i really hope it does not come to this...also i hate when ppl say "well i dont pvp soo... "  this game is more based around the fact you lvl to get to pvp dominance and fight aginst other factions ..imo its build "like" daoc the pve is there but the game is more based on pvp its what they were /are working towards...will it work...prolly not the future does not look bright atm but its a great game too bad this is what mmo's have become now
  Gorgothax

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4/22/14 1:52:41 PM#24
Just do a regional IP block for China and parts of Asia for that matter and see how fast it gets stopped. More specifically China and maybe North Korea. 
  SpottyGekko

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4/22/14 1:56:23 PM#25
Originally posted by BurntCabbage
whats sad is that people have no idea how this will kill the game if they  **ESO ** keep sitting on their hands and do nothing..can you picture the huge pvp zergs porting around with speed hacks and stealth hacks like they use while farming nodes? this game could be lost in a matter of weeks if they **so called chinese farmers** decided to do so...im sure everyones mother would unsubb and move to the next new mmorpg but i really hope it does not come to this...also i hate when ppl say "well i dont pvp soo... "  this game is more based around the fact you lvl to get to pvp dominance and fight aginst other factions ..imo its build "like" daoc the pve is there but the game is more based on pvp its what they were /are working towards...will it work...prolly not the future does not look bright atm but its a great game too bad this is what mmo's have become now

What makes you think the "next new MMORPG" launch will be any different to this ?

 

Goldsellers overran the Neverwinter launch...

Goldsellers overran the FFXIV:ARR launch...

Goldsellers are overrunning the ESO launch...

 

Can't wait to see what happens at Wildstar's launch...

  Nightbringe1

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Joined: 12/23/07
Posts: 725

4/22/14 1:57:16 PM#26
Originally posted by Palazious
Originally posted by SpottyGekko
Originally posted by Palazious

I'm really not sure why they can't just permanent ban the master accounts of those selling gold in chat, mailing offers ect.

 

It's worth it to pay GMs to watch the chat and ban accounts at $60.00 a pop.

 

 

The idea that "accounts at $60 a pop" will hurt goldsellers is flawed. They are most likely using both stolen credit card numbers and hacked accounts to replace any banned accounts. These cc numbers are cheap and in abundant supply from various hacking groups.

Still.. if you give a GM the ability to right-click on a spammer and insta ban the master account and maybe ban that IP at the same time you make the goldseller use another stolen cc number, account and go through the whole sign up process again.

 

They would spend all that time creating accounts for one opportunity to put it into chat.

 

Not worth it for the goldsellers.

 

If the accounts are hacked, stolen, etc. then they need to be banned anyways.

 

Or do nothing...accept defeat and watch your real customers leave

Flag the accounts selling gold and ban any account that buys gold from them. Banning the vendor's accounts accomplishes nothing, they are using stolen accounts/CC numbers. Ban the people supporting the vendors.

Of course, you still have to pay live bodies to monitor the gold sellers, which most companies won't.

Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin

  Nightbringe1

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4/22/14 2:01:17 PM#27
Originally posted by SpottyGekko
Originally posted by BurntCabbage
whats sad is that people have no idea how this will kill the game if they  **ESO ** keep sitting on their hands and do nothing..can you picture the huge pvp zergs porting around with speed hacks and stealth hacks like they use while farming nodes? this game could be lost in a matter of weeks if they **so called chinese farmers** decided to do so...im sure everyones mother would unsubb and move to the next new mmorpg but i really hope it does not come to this...also i hate when ppl say "well i dont pvp soo... "  this game is more based around the fact you lvl to get to pvp dominance and fight aginst other factions ..imo its build "like" daoc the pve is there but the game is more based on pvp its what they were /are working towards...will it work...prolly not the future does not look bright atm but its a great game too bad this is what mmo's have become now

What makes you think the "next new MMORPG" launch will be any different to this ?

 

Goldsellers overran the Neverwinter launch...

Goldsellers overran the FFXIV:ARR launch...

Goldsellers are overrunning the ESO launch...

 

Can't wait to see what happens at Wildstar's launch...

The same thing will take place at the launch of every single MMO. Only decisive action against the root of the problem will change this.

 

Remove the incentive to purchase gold by making it extremely risky for the buyer.

Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin

  Nightbringe1

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4/22/14 2:03:41 PM#28
Originally posted by Gorgothax
Just do a regional IP block for China and parts of Asia for that matter and see how fast it gets stopped. More specifically China and maybe North Korea. 

How difficult do you think it is to route your internet connection through a proxy?

Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin

  DamonVile

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Joined: 11/22/05
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4/22/14 2:05:21 PM#29
Originally posted by Zarbyte
The unfortunate truth is, it is nearly impossible to get rid of those people. There will always be gold sellers, so long as there are people willing to purchase it. 

So going after the right people might be a good start.

  Alders

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4/22/14 2:09:02 PM#30
I remember a time when we actually had GM's in game to come and make people poof.  Now everything is automated and takes forever while complaints are sent though filters to determine actions and probably ban the wrong person.
  Four0Six

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Posts: 1133

4/22/14 2:10:56 PM#31
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Does anyone have a good suggestion for Zenimax?

 

we all see the problem, yet  hardly anyone sees a solution...

 

and the real problem is not the goldsellers, they are a not the cause, but the a reaction from a few criminals that found a way to make money, because of players that cheet...

 

elliminate the cheeters and the goldsellers will stop their actions...  

 

But then,  how do you keep people from cheating?

 

Supply reacts to demand.

There is a demand for gold, gil, loopies, whatever in game currency in your game. Supply will move to fill the demand. A very simple relationship exists between the two.

Solution: Remove the demand for in came currency. Problem: To remove the demand you would need to remove all forms of trade.

Reality: If you hate the goldsellers, don't play a game at launch, (saving you also the heartache of a crappy launch). I just started playing FFXIV last week, I do hear from goldsellers, 1 ingame email a login. I can deal with that, RTclick -Blacklist.

 

 

  Datawarlock

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Joined: 12/08/05
Posts: 362

4/22/14 2:11:04 PM#32
Originally posted by LeGrosGamer

The solution is simple, but it will cost a lot of money and man/women power. Get GM's to catch botters and gold sellers, then back track their IP's and block the IP.  Gold sellers will have IP generators but in the long run and by being persistent you'll end up pin pointing their main IP.     But since it costs way to much, just add a huge block list in game and a report button that doesn't even work (Which is true by the way on almost every MMO with the "report" feature. The button will just popup a message telling you that Mr/Mrs X has been reported but in fact nothing has been sent, it's just so you can feel better on thinking you did something good for the community.)

 

   Also, we got EULA's with rules to follow and all, yet we got all these gold seller web sites at our disposal and some have been up and running since the early 2000's. Yet nobody seems to be doing anything to close them down? But I cannot sale my accounts or share my account with a friend? 

 

    When you look at the bigger picture, something doesn't add up properly. 

I just really want to know.... wtf is an IP generator? lol! I mean.... a proxy might be what you're thinking... or perhaps they own a block of IP's.... but, as far as my networking knowledge that is used on the job daily goes, there's no magical IP generator, unless ESO is running IPV6 and they get a bunch of free blocks off Hurricane Electric or something, but then they might just be tunneling, so block the endpoint and call it a day... until they get a new proxy >.> Spoofing? Possible, but doubtful. Proxies, multiple accounts, and even some hacked accounts are their easiest tools and there's no way to get rid of them all.

  User Deleted
4/22/14 2:15:51 PM#33
Originally posted by loopback1199
Originally posted by LeGrosGamer

The solution is simple, but it will cost a lot of money and man/women power. Get GM's to catch botters and gold sellers, then back track their IP's and block the IP.  Gold sellers will have IP generators but in the long run and by being persistent you'll end up pin pointing their main IP.     But since it costs way to much, just add a huge block list in game and a report button that doesn't even work (Which is true by the way on almost every MMO with the "report" feature. The button will just popup a message telling you that Mr/Mrs X has been reported but in fact nothing has been sent, it's just so you can feel better on thinking you did something good for the community.)

 

   Also, we got EULA's with rules to follow and all, yet we got all these gold seller web sites at our disposal and some have been up and running since the early 2000's. Yet nobody seems to be doing anything to close them down? But I cannot sale my accounts or share my account with a friend? 

 

    When you look at the bigger picture, something doesn't add up properly. 

I just really want to know.... wtf is an IP generator? lol! I mean.... a proxy might be what you're thinking... or perhaps they own a block of IP's.... but, as far as my networking knowledge that is used on the job daily goes, there's no magical IP generator, unless ESO is running IPV6 and they get a bunch of free blocks off Hurricane Electric or something, but then they might just be tunneling, so block the endpoint and call it a day... until they get a new proxy >.> Spoofing? Possible, but doubtful. Proxies, multiple accounts, and even some hacked accounts are their easiest tools and there's no way to get rid of them all.

I think he means "IP spoofing."  Fortunately, it's trivial to detect, which is why people prefer to route through VPN(s) to obfuscate their IP instead.  That's also an easy problem to detect, even if tracing their originating IP isn't.

  Gorgothax

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4/22/14 2:22:19 PM#34
Originally posted by Nightbringe1
Originally posted by Gorgothax
Just do a regional IP block for China and parts of Asia for that matter and see how fast it gets stopped. More specifically China and maybe North Korea. 

How difficult do you think it is to route your internet connection through a proxy?

I thought about my statement and what you are saying after the fact. I am tired and didn't even think about the whole proxy issue. They can easily find out who the parent companies of these sites and and provide a cease and desist letter to all of these companies in violation of the terms of service, but who knows if that would even work. 

  Grummus

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4/22/14 2:55:41 PM#35

Regional IP block on all Asian countries. Yes, ALL of them.

 

Block PROXY AND VPN access.

 

Yes, even US/EU based ones.

 

There. You stopped 90% of it.

 

 

  nitefly

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4/22/14 2:57:55 PM#36

There is also the whole issue of gold sellers vs gold brokers. The people advertising are the brokers, they don't actively hold the gold, i.e. they are not farmers. Likewise, they don't actually sell any gold, they facilitate a service between a buyer (the player) and a seller (the gold farmer). The sellers are also the farmers where they have a series of accounts that "work the field" so to speak and a few accounts that are used as pooling accounts for when a transaction must take place. So the actual transaction takes place between a random account and the buyer while there are a legion of other accounts that perform the gold harvesting.

The brokers then receive a commission from setting that transaction up that has no in-game component so they don't actually sell anything in the game for real money. They earn money from facilitating contact between two individuals, or as is more often the case nowadays, a company and an individual.

The brokers who offer the gold broker service isn't the people who perform the actual gold farming, they are under another company. So this is a harder area to police that we would immediately think and the brokers are pretty savvy at this. They know they have a case (lawsuit) if a publisher denies service for something that is clearly not a violation of the accepted EULA.

They also make sure to make this as costly for the developer/publisher as possible to act against, putting the developer in the position of whether to spend funds on developing tools to handle the gold trade or spend funds on new game content. It's sort of an arms race that will only ever end if the publisher starts selling the same services at rates the farmers/brokers can't compete with. Which ofcourse isn't a desirable option either, because then people would have a shortcut and that diminishes revenue from continued subscriptions as gold procurement and high costs for items are tied in with the primary timesinks in most MMOs.

  FlyByKnight

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4/22/14 2:58:34 PM#37

Find out who runs the gold selling sites and kill them...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...with kindness.

  Alumicard

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4/22/14 3:15:41 PM#38
Originally posted by nitefly

It's sort of an arms race that will only ever end if the publisher starts selling the same services at rates the farmers/brokers can't compete with. Which ofcourse isn't a desirable option either, because then people would have a shortcut and that diminishes revenue from continued subscriptions as gold procurement and high costs for items are tied in with the primary timesinks in most MMOs.

Thats what Blizzard tried with the RMAH in Diablo 3 which didnt work out very well because they got undercut all the time by sellers.

All people have to do is stop buying gold or the game must not allowed trading at all. No other way to stop the "arms race"

 

As long as people can play the game, you can write a bot to farm it.

  quseio

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4/22/14 3:17:22 PM#39
UNFORTUNATELY  hacking a game isnt illegal   the best way woould be to get laws changed
  alkarionlog

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4/22/14 3:35:26 PM#40
Originally posted by Keylogger_007

Regional IP block on all Asian countries. Yes, ALL of them.

 

Block PROXY AND VPN access.

 

Yes, even US/EU based ones.

 

There. You stopped 90% of it.

 

 

and fuck the ones who use things like faster tunnel to get a lower ping.

 

but to tell you the truth, they simple can't block all proxy around, would be a lot cheaper to pay gms to stay in game and monitor the all chat and reports of spam then they block that much ips

FOR HONOR, FOR FREEDOM.... and for some money.

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