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  Viadric

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OP  4/12/14 12:29:53 PM#1

To someone who has only played WOW, GW2 ,SWTOR, and AOC. 

 

Like is it a breath of fresh air?

 

Or is it your typical themepark rush to max level gear treadmill? 

 

 

  crasset15

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4/12/14 12:32:56 PM#2

Caution. This site is currently experiencing a high concentration of ESO bashers. Move calmly towards the nearest exit, and find a credible gaming channel on youtube for a more accurate assessment of the game.

Thank you for your cooperation.

  BurntCabbage

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4/12/14 12:35:41 PM#3
Originally posted by crasset15

Caution. This site is currently experiencing a high concentration of ESO bashers. Move calmly towards the nearest exit, and find a credible gaming channel on youtube for a more accurate assessment of the game.

Thank you for your cooperation.

dont get in my way!

  Aroukos

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4/12/14 12:35:55 PM#4

Caution. This site is currently experiencing a high concentration of ESO fanboys. Move calmly towards the nearest exit, and find a credible gaming channel on youtube for a more accurate assessment of the game.

Thank you for your cooperation.

 

*Kidding :)

  Hakulani

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4/12/14 12:38:51 PM#5
Yeah, find a video first and see what you think. Thank you for youtube that's for sure. Be sure to watch quite a few videos not just one.
  DrunkWolf

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4/12/14 12:40:03 PM#6
Originally posted by Viadric

To someone who has only played WOW, GW2 ,SWTOR, and AOC. 

 

Like is it a breath of fresh air?

 

Or is it your typical themepark rush to max level gear treadmill? 

 

 

If those are your only MMOs then this game will feel perfectly normal to you.

  DaOrc

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4/12/14 12:40:20 PM#7
Originally posted by Viadric

To someone who has only played WOW, GW2 ,SWTOR, and AOC. 

 

Like is it a breath of fresh air?

 

Or is it your typical themepark rush to max level gear treadmill? 

 

 

Questing thus far is great.  There are literally 3 dungeons every 5-8 levels that get better as you level.   Then there are about 6-7 public dungeons in each zone with 4-5 of them being very easy and 1 of them being fairly hard.  Then there are 3-4 world bosses in the outside world per zone.  Then there are Dark Anchors that spawn.  Then Dark Portals which are mini versions of Dark Anchors that spawn.  All this on top of the RPGesque questing in the game with stories comparable or even better than TES games and Dragon Age.

The questing in this game is by far the best questing in a themepark MMO.  There is a lot to do at all times and everywhere.  Sometimes it can be overwhelming.  And the beautiful part is it doesn't feel gamey, it feels like a natural world with day and night cycles and weather patterns like sand storms in Al'Akir.  Everything feels natural and immersive.  You won't get a pop up on the middle of the screen telling you when a thing occurs or telling you what to do.

End game is the missing variable, but they nailed leveling.  It is a explorers paradise.

  p4ttythep3rf3ct

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4/12/14 12:42:51 PM#8

It's a breath of fresh air to me, but because I feel it steps away from all of the games you described.  If those are the only games you know, I think it is likely you will not find it enjoyable, judging from comment on various boards.  (To be fair, I never played AoC, so Im not sure there.)  But who knows?  It's worth $50 to try out, I would say.  It IS a themepark, but I do not feel any rush whatsoever and am quite content getting lost,wandering around, and managing my inventory.  

For reference, the last game I played was FFXIV:ARR and it was a rush to the finish with that one for sure.  FFXIV:ARR is the best WoW-clone to date IMO.  However, after one day of Beta for ESO, I unsubbed FFXIV:AAR immediately.

That's just, like, my opinion, man.

  Siug

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4/12/14 12:45:24 PM#9
Few days ago OP was bashing ESO in multiple threads with f2p and whatnot and let's be honest - this thread is just for baiting. Isn't it OP?
  Viadric

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OP  4/12/14 12:47:45 PM#10
Originally posted by DaOrc
Originally posted by Viadric

To someone who has only played WOW, GW2 ,SWTOR, and AOC. 

 

Like is it a breath of fresh air?

 

Or is it your typical themepark rush to max level gear treadmill? 

 

 

Questing thus far is great.  There are literally 3 dungeons every 5-8 levels that get better as you level.   Then there are about 6-7 public dungeons in each zone with 4-5 of them being very easy and 1 of them being fairly hard.  Then there are 3-4 world bosses in the outside world per zone.  Then there are Dark Anchors that spawn.  Then Dark Portals which are mini versions of Dark Anchors that spawn.  All this on top of the RPGesque questing in the game with stories comparable or even better than TES games and Dragon Age.

The questing in this game is by far the best questing in a themepark MMO.  There is a lot to do at all times and everywhere.  Sometimes it can be overwhelming.  And the beautiful part is it doesn't feel gamey, it feels like a natural world with day and night cycles and weather patterns like sand storms in Al'Akir.  Everything feels natural and immersive.  You won't get a pop up on the middle of the screen telling you when a thing occurs or telling you what to do.

End game is the missing variable, but they nailed leveling.  It is a explorers paradise.

So it's like GW2 where it has an enjoyable leveling experience?

  askdaboss

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4/12/14 12:48:55 PM#11
Originally posted by Viadric

To someone who has only played WOW, GW2 ,SWTOR, and AOC. 

Like is it a breath of fresh air?

Or is it your typical themepark rush to max level gear treadmill? 

Well... I would say:

- If you are rushing to max level, you are probably doing it wrong. Of course, it depends on your actual preferences.

I think this is one of the games where you actually need to play "slowly" and listen to the quests NPCs. Absorb as much context as you can, doesn't hurt to open a browser from time to time and check a bit of lore about such or such NPC.

 

- Gear level treadmill: I think people can reach the gear cap fairly easily right now, and in my understanding you can craft items that will serve you well (someone else will have to confirm this, I'm nowhere near endgame).

This is unlike WoW where they release a batch of dungeons, limited in access by the gear treadmill. In my understanding in ESO, you can access everything (a la GW2).

 

- Game is nowhere near as innovative as GW2. I find it more interesting than AOC. The combat is "dynamic" as it is in both these games, probably slower though.

 

- It is buggy as hell, although they are fixing stuff (I trust they will have fixed most bugs in less than a few weeks).

 

- It is a breath of fresh air... maybe. If you enjoy lore, stories well told and beautiful environment. It has a more "medieval", slower, human/realistic feel than all the other games (PvP does). You can tell the game is new.

  DaOrc

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4/12/14 12:50:34 PM#12
Originally posted by Viadric

So it's like GW2 where it has an enjoyable leveling experience?

I didn't like GW2's leveling experience at all.  Not only did the quest design make it impossible to have good story telling.  But the event system sucked when there were not a lot of players around you.   It was missing the most important aspect, which was the RPG and story element.  On top of that it lacked dungeons during the leveling experience at least not to the level of WoW and ESO.

To me GW2 felt like going from place to place killing mobs because it was hard to tell a story outside of your personal story.  In ESO even the side quests have great RPG stories and elements.

  gelraen

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4/12/14 12:51:09 PM#13

Hi Viadric,

I have played all of the games that you've listed in your post -- all to max level (and also Rift).    

I'd say it is a breath of fresh air, but it depends on what you look for in games.  ESO seems to heavily emphasize immersion, which I personally love in games.  The crafting is insanely detailed and slow (and hard).  Exploration off the beaten path is a big deal, in the sense that there are a ton of undocumented locations that you'll stumble upon - dungeons, ruins with magical enchantments, side-quests etc.  Though the biggest surprise for me though is the quality of the questing.  You could say that GW2 had some pretty interesting twists on the traditional quest structure, and that was pretty cool for a while, but ESO really has the best storytelling in quest form that I've ever come across.  Pretty amazing actually.

One warning is that the leveling is extremely slow - so I've felt the rush to max level to be pretty well impossible, which strangely has forced me to forget about it and enjoy the leveling process more.

  askdaboss

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4/12/14 12:52:42 PM#14
Originally posted by DaOrc
Originally posted by Viadric

So it's like GW2 where it has an enjoyable leveling experience?

I didn't like GW2's leveling experience at all.  Not only did the quest design make it impossible to have good story telling.  But the event system sucked when there were not a lot of players around you.   It was missing the most important aspect, which was the RPG and story element.  On top of that it lacked dungeons during the leveling experience at least not to the level of WoW and ESO.

To me GW2 felt like going from place to place killing mobs because it was hard to tell a story outside of your personal story.  In ESO even the side quests have great RPG stories and elements.

Right, except for GW2 personal story which is exactly what you've just described. GW2 events are actually more akin to dark anchors, which are terrible and poorly implemented at the moment.

Still, I prefer ESO storytelling to GW2 personal story (GW2 story is very predictable).

  Viadric

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OP  4/12/14 12:52:43 PM#15
Originally posted by gelraen

Hi Viadric,

I have played all of the games that you've listed in your post -- all to max level (and also Rift).    

I'd say it is a breath of fresh air, but it depends on what you look for in games.  ESO seems to heavily emphasize immersion, which I personally love in games.  The crafting is insanely detailed and slow (and hard).  Exploration off the beaten path is a big deal, in the sense that there are a ton of undocumented locations that you'll stumble upon - dungeons, ruins with magical enchantments, side-quests etc.  Though the biggest surprise for me though is the quality of the questing.  You could say that GW2 had some pretty interesting twists on the traditional quest structure, and that was pretty cool for a while, but ESO really has the best storytelling in quest form that I've ever come across.  Pretty amazing actually.

One warning is that the leveling is extremely slow - so I've felt the rush to max level to be pretty well impossible, which strangely has forced me to forget about it and enjoy the leveling process more.

So it has a great crafting system? That's pretty cool to know. I always felt crafting was boring in most mmo's maybe this would be different. 

  Brizlyn

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4/12/14 12:53:58 PM#16

I would describe eso as a graphically appealing partially on rails themepark with good questing, great lore, pvp environment better than gw2 but combat mechanics inferior to gw2 (combat is "clunky") but still fun.  Combat is a hybrid of action combat and hotbar.  Many gamers who I know can only handle hotbar combat and they prefer wow or eq2 full hotbars and tab targeting rather than actually having to aim and click do not like eso/gw2 style combat.  I personally like both styles.

the environments are top notch, game has a nice gritty atmosphere to it.  

Crafting is good, Pve isn't hard but definitely more difficulty that gw2, wow, swtor.  

As others said, definitely hit up YouTube and watch some videos before springing the cash.  There is no gear treadmill yet ala eq2 raids and wow raids but that may come later, I'm not sure.

  DaOrc

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4/12/14 12:56:04 PM#17
Originally posted by askdaboss

Right, except for GW2 personal story which is exactly what you've just described. GW2 events are actually more akin to dark anchors, which are terrible and poorly implemented at the moment.

Still, I prefer ESO storytelling to GW2 personal story (GW2 story is very predictable).

But personal story which had terrible writing which the most ardent fans will agree, was extremely minor compared to the entire game.  I agree the events in GW2 were poorly implemented it felt like a backwards version of Rift's events to me.  Story telling was easily the worst part of GW2, even though it had numerous other faults.  At least in relation to leveling.

  Aroukos

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4/12/14 1:04:08 PM#18

Hahahah I love this man, Viadric.

Every day he is posting how much he dislikes ESO and many others bash him for doing it.

Now he makes a post asking opinions about ESO and suddenly the same persons who were criticize him, are giving him opinions, forgetting they have bashed him before.

I love both Viadric and this forum :)

  RebelScum99

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4/12/14 1:09:14 PM#19
Originally posted by Aroukos

Caution. This site is currently experiencing a high concentration of ESO fanboys. Move calmly towards the nearest exit, and find a credible gaming channel on youtube for a more accurate assessment of the game.

Thank you for your cooperation.

 

*Kidding :)

Give it a rest, dude.   Seriously.  It's not the "fanboys" jumping on every single thread about other games and talking about their love for ESO.  It's the haters jumping on the ESO threads trying to run the game down.  Why not let the folks who enjoy the game have their forum to discuss it?  

Anyway, to the OP:  One word to describe this game:  Refreshing.  It's a mix of some of the strong points of GW2 (beautifully crafted world, minimalist combat design, emphasis on exploration, skills tied to weapon selection), SWTOR (great storyline and lore, fully voice acted), as well as the freedom to construct basically any class you want (TSW).  Then, throw in some DAOC-style PvP and a deep, complex crafting system, and you've got the makings of a great game.

Having said that, I think they released it too early.   Not sure if it was forced out the door like we see with so many other games, but it definitely needed a few more months in the oven. It's certainly in a playable state, but it's also a frustrating version of playable.  Still a lot of bugs, broken quests, odd graphical glitches and immersive-killing issues with the phasing system.  Not to mention some missing features (adventure zones) and some curious decisions on the part of Zenimax regarding other features (no Auction House + seriously exorbitant pricing on many mundane in-game items/services).  

All in all, definitely worth the money.  But it's also definitely not without its flaws.  

 

  Viadric

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OP  4/12/14 1:15:46 PM#20
Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by Aroukos

Caution. This site is currently experiencing a high concentration of ESO fanboys. Move calmly towards the nearest exit, and find a credible gaming channel on youtube for a more accurate assessment of the game.

Thank you for your cooperation.

 

*Kidding :)

Give it a rest, dude.   Seriously.  It's not the "fanboys" jumping on every single thread about other games and talking about their love for ESO.  It's the haters jumping on the ESO threads trying to run the game down.  Why not let the folks who enjoy the game have their forum to discuss it?  

Anyway, to the OP:  One word to describe this game:  Refreshing.  It's a mix of some of the strong points of GW2 (beautifully crafted world, minimalist combat design, emphasis on exploration, skills tied to weapon selection), SWTOR (great storyline and lore, fully voice acted), as well as the freedom to construct basically any class you want (TSW).  Then, throw in some DAOC-style PvP and a deep, complex crafting system, and you've got the makings of a great game.

Having said that, I think they released it too early.   Not sure if it was forced out the door like we see with so many other games, but it definitely needed a few more months in the oven. It's certainly in a playable state, but it's also a frustrating version of playable.  Still a lot of bugs, broken quests, odd graphical glitches and immersive-killing issues with the phasing system.  Not to mention some missing features (adventure zones) and some curious decisions on the part of Zenimax regarding other features (no Auction House + seriously exorbitant pricing on many mundane in-game items/services).  

All in all, definitely worth the money.  But it's also definitely not without its flaws.  

 

Does it feel more singleplayer or multiplayer? Well, because you know SWTOR.

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