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  Muke

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Joined: 1/04/07
Posts: 1618

4/10/14 5:07:24 PM#41
Originally posted by theoldgods666
 

Yeah that's true if I wasn't main tank for my raid guild in WOW I probably wouldn't be playing mmo's very much.

You should ask yourself the question if you are playing games to enjoy yourself or is it because it's a job now when you have to satisfy your guild?

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  Eir_S

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Joined: 8/07/11
Posts: 4703

GW2 socialist.

4/10/14 5:11:22 PM#42
Good luck in your adventures, be they online or off.  Who knows, maybe the genre will make something up to your standards one day.  I'm looking forward to a GOOD sandbox, myself.  Otherwise, I think I'm not as much bored of MMO's as satisfied with the themeparks I preferred over the years and don't care what's "next".
  Cephus404

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Joined: 2/27/08
Posts: 3697

4/10/14 6:39:31 PM#43
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by theoldgods666
 

Yeah that's true if I wasn't main tank for my raid guild in WOW I probably wouldn't be playing mmo's very much.

You should ask yourself the question if you are playing games to enjoy yourself or is it because it's a job now when you have to satisfy your guild?

It's unfortunate that a lot of people are playing games, not to have fun, but to escape from reality.  No game will ever make reality go away.  The only way to fix reality is to stop playing the  game and go work on reality.  Hiding in a game doesn't make things better, they're still bad when you turn off the computer.  I never get why people don't understand that, considering how many people around here say that their purpose in playing a game is to escape from the real world.  That's childish.

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  Battlerock

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Joined: 12/12/11
Posts: 956

4/10/14 6:48:23 PM#44
I have often thought about giving up on them too, but if you have ever been just engulfed in an MMORPG like most of us have, you definately want that back someday. Technology will open up some doors for us, in the meantime we have single player and all the classics to enjoy, hang in there bud.
  Flyte27

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Joined: 12/13/05
Posts: 2255

4/10/14 7:12:27 PM#45
Originally posted by Cephus404
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by theoldgods666
 

Yeah that's true if I wasn't main tank for my raid guild in WOW I probably wouldn't be playing mmo's very much.

You should ask yourself the question if you are playing games to enjoy yourself or is it because it's a job now when you have to satisfy your guild?

It's unfortunate that a lot of people are playing games, not to have fun, but to escape from reality.  No game will ever make reality go away.  The only way to fix reality is to stop playing the  game and go work on reality.  Hiding in a game doesn't make things better, they're still bad when you turn off the computer.  I never get why people don't understand that, considering how many people around here say that their purpose in playing a game is to escape from the real world.  That's childish.

To a lot of people escaping from reality is what is fun.  That's why TV and movies became popular and why tv became popular.  I believe Walt Disney himself said he made cartons to let people escape from the reality of everyday life.  There are always bad things going on in the world.  People probably would be better off not watching TV, Movies, or playing Games.  They would probably be better off helping each other and helping to improve life.  The problem is there is no real solution to the problems in the world or nothing that doesn't seem a monumental task to fix.  Even if you fix the problems in your life a lot of peoples lives around you still suck.  If you didn't always have to worry about someone wanting to make money or looking to profit in someone way then perhaps everyone could get along and be happy.  I don't see that happening though as humans seem to only thrive under the system of rich and poor where we the motivation is fear instead of helping people.  It's hard to blame people from wanting to escape from reality.

  Wraithstar

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Joined: 4/11/10
Posts: 59

4/10/14 7:19:49 PM#46

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLAVNriGsus

All I can say is just a few more months man

I agree, Ive played Russian Archeage, its no joke guys, its got everything youde want in an mmo. other than it being very asian influenced in the character models (which i know some people hate).

Give it a chance when it comes. (Alpha just started 2 days ago)

  Braindome

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Joined: 12/06/11
Posts: 590

4/10/14 7:23:46 PM#47

Best advice I can give is if you have alot of time and/or money invested in a game and it is weighing you down or making you feel trapped drop it and just focus on the fun you had and that it was in some way worth it and move along. I know it sucks to put money into this genre and not have much to show for it, but just realize it isn't worth the misery to stick around and tread water.

It is an important part of playing these games and not burning out as the more you invest the more you feel obligated to not leave and keep playing, it is a crux the industry is facing and why games like Guild Wars 2 and standard rpg's are picking up steam again as you actually can feel like you own those products for a smaller investment.

Really though I know people that play WoW and have for years and wish they could just drop it. I try to tell them just to do it, it's just money, you had fun for a while move along and have fun again, but they can't and say I don't understand, but I do. I have invested thousands into MMO's and learned over the years to no longer "over invest" as it just makes it harder and once I dropped the ones I invested and felt the most trapped by it was a huge relief and as a gamer I have never made a better decision.

Ditching a game is so easy for me now and it is a great feeling. Don't spend more than you are willing to lose and keep having "fun".

  ace5572

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Joined: 6/15/08
Posts: 115

4/10/14 7:25:52 PM#48
Originally posted by Rydeson

     Join the club.. I haven't played a decent MMO since early WoW days.. I grew up on EQ and others, and enjoyed the NON instanced world and community, but MMO's today are nothing like they used to be..  They are all pretty much SINGLE player games with co-op instance features...  and expect people to PAY for them..   No Thanks Devs.. 

 

PS edit.. GW2 is the only one I would endorse these days.. I like the B2P method..  Anything that is subscription based or close to it, is nothing but a suckers cash cow.. 

^This. I grew up on EQ and Dark Age of Camelot. Playing MMOs now-a-days is like playing a singleplayer with the option to co-op. But most don't because there isnt any reason to build a community.

I've been going back and playing all the old MMOs, DAoC freeshards, etc. Because theres nothing else out there that does it better than them.

  Vorthanion

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Joined: 7/02/11
Posts: 1936

4/10/14 7:33:15 PM#49
People demanded simpler, faster, less complex MMOs and got them.  Now we're riddled with instance lobbies  with narrow paths of progression, simplified classes, skills, skill sets, stats and so forth.  Welcome to the age of the MMOBA.  It's difficult to make games complex, in depth with lots of options when you have the majority of the game focused on combat that takes place in milliseconds.  I've heard it all to often even on this board how so many of the people here don't want expansive worlds with meaningful exploration, roleplaying or having to deal with stats or character based combat / decision making.  I'm still not certain these very vocal players are in the majority, but the industry is responding to them none the less and I, like you, may find myself leaving the genre altogether in the near future if they don't learn to diversify their game portfolios.

  Braindome

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Joined: 12/06/11
Posts: 590

4/10/14 7:34:28 PM#50
Originally posted by Wraithstar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLAVNriGsus

All I can say is just a few more months man

I agree, Ive played Russian Archeage, its no joke guys, its got everything youde want in an mmo. other than it being very asian influenced in the character models (which i know some people hate).

Give it a chance when it comes. (Alpha just started 2 days ago)

I'm really looking forward to ArcheAge!

Just hope it doesn't turn into cash shop P2W down the road, but i'll be there at launch and probably longer as long as it doesn't and support them either with a few rational purchases or join the sub model, but if it ever goes P2W I will jump ship stat, always good to plan that it could happen as it will be easier and you won't get stuck with lots invested. Will make sure not to put in more than I feel it is worth.

Hopefully it never does of course and gotta admit it does look fun and full featured.

  GuyClinch

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Joined: 9/28/13
Posts: 483

4/11/14 12:23:33 AM#51
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by GuyClinch

Sounds like a case of unreasonable expectations. Shooters haven't changed much since Doom. Puzzle games are

Are you kidding me?

Shooters have change a huge deal since DOOM. If not, i won't be playing any. Some examples:

- add stealth type gameplay (Dishonored, Deus Ex ...)

Castle Wolfenstien had stealth in the 80s.

- Third person vs First person

Huh? Lots of games were in the first person.

- add cover mechanics (like GoW). Don't tell me if you think run & gun is the same as tactical advance and use of cover.

Komani used cover systems back in the 80s.

- scripting and stories (Half-Life 1 started all this)

If you think shooters are the same as DOOM, you may as well say Eve is a reskin of Wing Commander just because they both have space ships in the game.

Really? Lots of shooters have had stories one of the early ones. Half LIfe and Half LIfe 2 spring to mind. I like all your favorite games but they are reskins and remixes of the same ideas. That doesn't mean they aren't great games. I love Fallout 3 for example - and Deus Ex but its a better version of the same thing..

Games have gotten better - mostly in the graphics department. The stuff going on behind the scenes - like AI and such has been very slow moving. Some of the best AI cited has been in some games like Bioshock and Borderlands II - but overall its been really not much innovation.

Games nowadays are fairly close to movies. They have different plots and different actors but they can boil down to just a few words and movies like that have already been done 100s of times. Whether its a rom com or  comedy action buddy flick etc etc.

 

  Ender4

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Joined: 5/18/08
Posts: 2096

4/11/14 12:28:15 AM#52

Don't blame you, ESO and Wildstar are both just dreadful, some of the most pathetic releases in gaming history. The next wave of MMORPG are going a different path and hopefully will be worth playing.

  Cephus404

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Joined: 2/27/08
Posts: 3697

4/11/14 2:26:21 AM#53
Originally posted by Flyte27
Originally posted by Cephus404
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by theoldgods666
 

Yeah that's true if I wasn't main tank for my raid guild in WOW I probably wouldn't be playing mmo's very much.

You should ask yourself the question if you are playing games to enjoy yourself or is it because it's a job now when you have to satisfy your guild?

It's unfortunate that a lot of people are playing games, not to have fun, but to escape from reality.  No game will ever make reality go away.  The only way to fix reality is to stop playing the  game and go work on reality.  Hiding in a game doesn't make things better, they're still bad when you turn off the computer.  I never get why people don't understand that, considering how many people around here say that their purpose in playing a game is to escape from the real world.  That's childish.

To a lot of people escaping from reality is what is fun.  That's why TV and movies became popular and why tv became popular.  I believe Walt Disney himself said he made cartons to let people escape from the reality of everyday life.  There are always bad things going on in the world.  People probably would be better off not watching TV, Movies, or playing Games.  They would probably be better off helping each other and helping to improve life.  The problem is there is no real solution to the problems in the world or nothing that doesn't seem a monumental task to fix.  Even if you fix the problems in your life a lot of peoples lives around you still suck.  If you didn't always have to worry about someone wanting to make money or looking to profit in someone way then perhaps everyone could get along and be happy.  I don't see that happening though as humans seem to only thrive under the system of rich and poor where we the motivation is fear instead of helping people.  It's hard to blame people from wanting to escape from reality.

There's a difference between watching a TV show because it's entertaining and watching a TV show because you desperately want to live in the world  you see on TV.  One is healthy, the other is not.  Trying to escape into a fantasy world because you don't want to deal with the problems in the real one doesn't actually solve any problems, it just puts them off and often compounds them.  I absolutely do blame people who want to escape from reality.  Fix your real life first, then go have fun in a game or other hobby.

Played: UO, EQ, WoW, DDO, SWG, AO, CoH, EvE, TR, AoC, GW, GA, Aion, Allods, lots more
Relatively Recently (Re)Played: HL2 (all), Halo (PC, all), Batman:AA; AC, ME, BS, DA, FO3, DS, Doom (all), LFD1&2, KOTOR, Portal 1&2, Blink, Elder Scrolls (all), lots more
Now Playing: None
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  crack_fox

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Joined: 7/09/04
Posts: 401

4/11/14 5:34:38 AM#54
Originally posted by Cephus404
Originally posted by Flyte27

It's unfortunate that a lot of people are playing games, not to have fun, but to escape from reality.  No game will ever make reality go away.  The only way to fix reality is to stop playing the  game and go work on reality.  Hiding in a game doesn't make things better, they're still bad when you turn off the computer.  I never get why people don't understand that, considering how many people around here say that their purpose in playing a game is to escape from the real world.  That's childish.

To a lot of people escaping from reality is what is fun.  That's why TV and movies became popular and why tv became popular.  I believe Walt Disney himself said he made cartons to let people escape from the reality of everyday life.  There are always bad things going on in the world.  People probably would be better off not watching TV, Movies, or playing Games.  They would probably be better off helping each other and helping to improve life.  The problem is there is no real solution to the problems in the world or nothing that doesn't seem a monumental task to fix.  Even if you fix the problems in your life a lot of peoples lives around you still suck.  If you didn't always have to worry about someone wanting to make money or looking to profit in someone way then perhaps everyone could get along and be happy.  I don't see that happening though as humans seem to only thrive under the system of rich and poor where we the motivation is fear instead of helping people.  It's hard to blame people from wanting to escape from reality.

There's a difference between watching a TV show because it's entertaining and watching a TV show because you desperately want to live in the world  you see on TV.  One is healthy, the other is not.  Trying to escape into a fantasy world because you don't want to deal with the problems in the real one doesn't actually solve any problems, it just puts them off and often compounds them.  I absolutely do blame people who want to escape from reality.  Fix your real life first, then go have fun in a game or other hobby.

I completely agree that it is unhealthy to 'desperately want to live in the world you see on TV' (or in a game, book or whatever) if your driver for doing to is to escape from an unsatisfying reality. However, I don't think that this is the only driver for looking for 'escapism' rather than 'fun' here. For me, escapism is about wonder and discovery; it's about 'suspension of disbelief' and immersing yourself for a brief time in a believable, alternate reality. For me, that is the absolute point of playing a game, or watching a movie or reading a book. That is the service I am paying the developer, director or author for. That is not to say that fun isn't important. Fun is nice. But I have far better avenues to pursue fun than video games. Going for a ride with my mates, hanging out over a few beers, playing five a-side with friends - those are all better, healthier ways to have fun than playing video games. 

  Jacxolope

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4/11/14 5:43:53 AM#55
Originally posted by crack_fox
Originally posted by Cephus404
Originally posted by Flyte27

It's unfortunate that a lot of people are playing games, not to have fun, but to escape from reality.  No game will ever make reality go away.  The only way to fix reality is to stop playing the  game and go work on reality.  Hiding in a game doesn't make things better, they're still bad when you turn off the computer.  I never get why people don't understand that, considering how many people around here say that their purpose in playing a game is to escape from the real world.  That's childish.

To a lot of people escaping from reality is what is fun.  That's why TV and movies became popular and why tv became popular.  I believe Walt Disney himself said he made cartons to let people escape from the reality of everyday life.  There are always bad things going on in the world.  People probably would be better off not watching TV, Movies, or playing Games.  They would probably be better off helping each other and helping to improve life.  The problem is there is no real solution to the problems in the world or nothing that doesn't seem a monumental task to fix.  Even if you fix the problems in your life a lot of peoples lives around you still suck.  If you didn't always have to worry about someone wanting to make money or looking to profit in someone way then perhaps everyone could get along and be happy.  I don't see that happening though as humans seem to only thrive under the system of rich and poor where we the motivation is fear instead of helping people.  It's hard to blame people from wanting to escape from reality.

There's a difference between watching a TV show because it's entertaining and watching a TV show because you desperately want to live in the world  you see on TV.  One is healthy, the other is not.  Trying to escape into a fantasy world because you don't want to deal with the problems in the real one doesn't actually solve any problems, it just puts them off and often compounds them.  I absolutely do blame people who want to escape from reality.  Fix your real life first, then go have fun in a game or other hobby.

I completely agree that it is unhealthy to 'desperately want to live in the world you see on TV' (or in a game, book or whatever) if your driver for doing to is to escape from an unsatisfying reality. However, I don't think that this is the only driver for looking for 'escapism' rather than 'fun' here. For me, escapism is about wonder and discovery; it's about 'suspension of disbelief' and immersing yourself for a brief time in a believable, alternate reality. For me, that is the absolute point of playing a game, or watching a movie or reading a book. That is the service I am paying the developer, director or author for. That is not to say that fun isn't important. Fun is nice. But I have far better avenues to pursue fun than video games. Going for a ride with my mates, hanging out over a few beers, playing five a-side with friends - those are all better, healthier ways to have fun than playing video games. 

Well said.

  nariusseldon

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4/11/14 2:40:19 PM#56
Originally posted by GuyClinch

- add stealth type gameplay (Dishonored, Deus Ex ...)

Castle Wolfenstien had stealth in the 80s.

You equate THAT stealth with abilities to pull enemies from balcony, sneak up for take-down, use of light mechanics ...... and so on?

No wonder you think all games are the same. Luckily i have more appreciation for gameplay.

  Bjelar

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4/11/14 2:52:57 PM#57
Originally posted by zwei2
Once a person has more important priorities in life, it will be easier to give up hobbies or stuffs that takes up the priorities' time.

So very true.

People tend to forget that they are growing up.

Ten years from now this forum will be full of people saying no good MMORPG has been made since ESO and Wildstar.

MMORPGS were better when I was a teenager, sure, but spring rain smelled better too and flowers were prettier.

  seacow1g

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OP  4/11/14 5:01:11 PM#58
Originally posted by Bjelar
Originally posted by zwei2
Once a person has more important priorities in life, it will be easier to give up hobbies or stuffs that takes up the priorities' time.

So very true.

People tend to forget that they are growing up.

Ten years from now this forum will be full of people saying no good MMORPG has been made since ESO and Wildstar.

MMORPGS were better when I was a teenager, sure, but spring rain smelled better too and flowers were prettier.

I disagree with the sentiment that any significant amount of people will be saying that nothing good was made since ESO or Wildstar. As i mentioned before, a quick browse through the forums shows a general agreement (among people not happy with current MMO's)  that they started being shitty around 2007-2008 (give or take a year or 2 in either direction). If it were a linear relationship related to the age of the members then you'd hear a significant amount of people complaining that the last good MMORPG's were like AOC, Rift, Aion, Tera, WoW: Cataclysm etc. We may very well hear people complaining about post-ESO or Wildstar but they'd have to leave a very big mark on the players and the subsequent titles would have to be very disappointing by comparison for us to have more generations of supremely nostalgic and disappointed MMORPG players.

I didn't get sick of MMORPG's because I got older. I got sick of them because the genre has evolved in a different direction than what initially attracted me to the genre. Now console games seem to be going more in the direction that MMORPG's were good at.

  nariusseldon

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4/11/14 6:18:35 PM#59
Originally posted by seacow1g
Now console games seem to be going more in the direction that MMORPG's were good at.

You mean to have great solo quests like in Tomb Raider or Dishonored ... or haven't fun MP battles like in Titanfall?

 

  GuyClinch

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Joined: 9/28/13
Posts: 483

4/12/14 3:03:00 AM#60
Originally posted by Bjelar
Originally posted by zwei2
Once a person has more important priorities in life, it will be easier to give up hobbies or stuffs that takes up the priorities' time.

So very true.

People tend to forget that they are growing up.

Ten years from now this forum will be full of people saying no good MMORPG has been made since ESO and Wildstar.

MMORPGS were better when I was a teenager, sure, but spring rain smelled better too and flowers were prettier.

+1. This. I notice the same thing with sports. I spent my childhood around Boston - and I was so into sports. I loved the Red Sox. It seemed that when they lost in 86 it was the end of the world and it would never come around again. But now this year the Sox won again and I could barely be bothered to care.

You might think the Oh he doesn't like baseball anymore. But its not just that - its that it doesn't seem to matter anymore or be as important anymore. I can totally watch an entire baseball game at a park and totally enjoy it. (I realize plenty of people find it deadly boring) But its my perspective that's changed. Its the same thing with MMOs. Honestly if you have spend a few thousand hours playing MMOs you aren't going to find ANY new MMOs that you love.

Computer scientists are roughly as smart as they have always been and computer chips might be faster but they work the same way so games at the core level haven't changed a bit. Its part of growing older - you can't get as "into' things anymore. The passion of youth is just that - the passion of youth.

Straight up if you step back and analyze these MMOs comparing them to the older ones they are  as good if not better then the older ones. Everquest had hardly any quests. It had barely any voice acting. it basically had ZERO plot. You REALLY think grinding mobs was just more fun - or maybe you grew up.

If you don't believe me go play project 1999. Its not the games - especially on this forum. It's the players. There was a lull with SWTOR but of late the developers are doing a bang up job. If I was 20 years younger I would worship ESO. Truth.

I see all these guys on the forums bashing the developers. Oh they don't care they are lazy. BS. They give you the best things they can and the people here still spit it back at them. There is basically nothing else they can do with current technology beyond the choices you have now.. You might get different graphics or a different setting but that's about it for a good long while..

You get used to things. You get jaded. Its just part of life. My car now is so much better then any car I have ever driven. Its faster. it handles much better. Its ton's more luxurious. It has the best stereo. I still miss my first care more - even though objectively its a piece of shit.

 

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