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  Enhesa

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4/04/14 10:15:32 AM#121
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Enhesa
 

Well, ya see, I was making two different points; my opinion on the gaming industry/community at the start,  and at the end, my opinion on the game which I feel is unbiased.

You argue that my unbiased opinion is in fact biased, and to support this you state that an unbiased opinion would consider everyones opinion equally. The problem here is that I don't consider the opinions of others when developing my own personal opinion on a game, which leads me to understand that you didn't really get what I meant in the first place.

The way you describe coming to your conclusions is absolutely the best way to do it (in my opinion). I won't argue there. But that doesn't mean it's unbiased.

Edit: At this point, I think we should just agree to disagree on what "biased" means.

 

My opinion on gamers is definately biased, since I think most gamers are complete ass clowns.

Including myself

  sketocafe

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Joined: 7/19/11
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4/04/14 10:34:37 AM#122
Originally posted by Yoda_Clone

Knotwood, at times you sound like the Shill of Shills.

ESO is not EQ; not even close.

It is a linear game; not as bad as SW-TOR or AoC, but not free roaming gameplay like the Elder Scolls games, either.

It is not the Second Coming (TM).

Let it be what it is and quit trying to hype it so much.

Linear? It's an MMO. What did you think it'd be like? You can't have multiple players of varying levels and make it so every region is appropriate for  all of them.  

  Bigdaddyx

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4/04/14 11:46:40 AM#123
Originally posted by sketocafe
Originally posted by Yoda_Clone

Knotwood, at times you sound like the Shill of Shills.

ESO is not EQ; not even close.

It is a linear game; not as bad as SW-TOR or AoC, but not free roaming gameplay like the Elder Scolls games, either.

It is not the Second Coming (TM).

Let it be what it is and quit trying to hype it so much.

Linear? It's an MMO. What did you think it'd be like? You can't have multiple players of varying levels and make it so every region is appropriate for  all of them.  

GW2 is also MMO and they managed to solve this problem.

  greenreen

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Joined: 11/19/12
Posts: 1515

4/04/14 11:58:43 AM#124

Calling this game "old school" is laughable.

"Old school" games didn't sell horses for $14.99 real dollars.

https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/store

It's not going to be their only cash shop item either, they've already said that.

 

Like the game, like the mechanics but don't dare compare this dookie to old school and defile the times when you had to EARN things in the game instead of have the option to pay for them.

 

What is even the point in playing when things are for sale. It taints the whole concept of playing the game for any reason. The store will only get larger, not smaller, that you can assure yourself about and they sowed the seed for it. Not one post I saw on the game asked for a horse to buy, not one beta post either.

You may have bugged quests and instances right now but that cash shop, it sure works, doesn't it. You just think about that when you think about their priorities and what they value as worthwhile to work on.

 

One day when they work on the cash shop more than the game -

it will dawn on you that you aren't playing an

 

MMORPG,

 

you are in a retail shop where the goal is to make the game uncomfortable UNTIL you use the cash shop.

It needs a new name. How about MMOBSS. Massive-multiplayer-online-buy-some-shit game sound about right to me to describe it.

 

Maybe they'll just sell cosmetics? Yeah, cosmetics that look better than everything else in the game or else why would you buy them. So, be jealous of your neighbor looking better than you in your scrappy twill and spend more money.

 

Paying for a sub game

 

that has a free to play shadow isn't

 

my idea of "old school".

 

I hope you all have that realization one day that you could be just playing a free to play game and be treated the same with a cash shop as you will be here in this farce of a sub based game.

P.S. What happened to that RP server they talked about and twittered out that people could join, yeah went the way of the dodo for the cash shop didn't it. It was more important to develop though both were late additions. There's a fitting saying for this, judge people by what they DO not what they SAY. 

This is what my MMOs were like in the "old" days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaY3EDPCMr0

The pieces to "forbidden power" were never for sale.

  Knotwood

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Joined: 2/08/14
Posts: 1117

 
OP  4/04/14 12:05:53 PM#125
Originally posted by Enhesa
Originally posted by sethman75

Well said OP.

Kids these days don't appreciate what made the core of those experiences, fun and adventure.

Both of which you can't get if you rush to cap in 1 day and say the game sucks.

I will be playing TESO carefully and enjoying it for months, the way it is meant to be played.

Absolutely

I think the main issue is that the majority of people reviewing ESO on forums and in blog posts right now are self proclaimed hardcore MMO players, these people have been ripping the ass out of whatever MMO for the last whatever years.

From this we see burnout. The same thing happened with ex WoW players cursing the game after playing for 6 years or however long. It wasn't the games fault people overplayed and got burned out. When people get bored the games magically get shit.

As a gamer of nearly 30 years, and as one who loves MMO's but hasn't burned myself out in recent times I reckon I'm in a good position to give an unbiased opinion on ESO.

It's a really good game.

Two players after my own heart and understand what I am saying...

 

I would like to add, ESO is like a 1000 year old bottle of wine, made to be savored and tasted in a way to appreciate the high quality of the wine.    

 

Where as the hardcore MMO players who rush tot he top of every game to say it sucks and missed all the content to that point, are kind of like that drunk who grabs a bottle of 100o year old bottle of wine and drinks it like it was cheap beer, only to turn to you and drunken spit in your face while trying to tell you how much it sucked. 

 

People got to know how to recognize that 1000 year old bottle, and have enough patience to understand what they are drinking and why, in order to appreciate it to its fullest.

 

  Knotwood

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Joined: 2/08/14
Posts: 1117

 
OP  4/04/14 1:18:23 PM#126

For me ESO is my 1000 year old bottle of wine. I'm sure some would prefer ten cases of beer instead of that 1000 year old bottle of wine, because they would rather get drink that many times more. But to me, this 1000year old bottle of wine is 100% my tastes.


ESO takes everything I loved in my childhood and wraps it up into one big package and delivers it into a modern up to date modern game that is realistic graphic, voiced over, and everything I could possibly have wanted in a modern game of this type of genre style.


When I look at the timeline of games that were inspired by things of high adventure genre of my youth that I enjoyed the most, I can only identify a handful of games up to this date that have been made with my tastes of high adventure at heart. Among them I see EQ, Eqoa, Lotro,and Age of Conan as the types of games that are my tastes of bottles of wine which do not come out everyday.


So to me a game isn't about weather its theme park, sandbox, or even the cost of the game, it doesn't matter. Its about having something oldschool that is my taste of genre of high adventure that has come out, which I haven't tasted in over 5 years.


Games of this type genre which I loved so much from my childhood do not come out every day that are pure to my old school tastes of the high adventure of my youth across all spectrums from movies, table top dice throwing, to games. So this game might not be your 1000 year old scool bottle of high adventure genre that your taste buds love, but you have to at least respect the fact that my taste of 1000 year old wine is ESO.


I might see WoW or Wildstar as cheap beer, whereas you might see it as your 1000 year old wine for another reason. While you may call my ESO as cheap bear, when I see it as 1000 year old wine because it represents the old school high adventure genre of my youth that I so much enjoyed in life.


Someone tried to tell me that Conan with a laser pistol would be the same, so ESO is the same as SWTOR, but do you really think it could possibly be the same for me if Conan the barbarian had a laser pistol, could I have loved Conan the Barbarian if he had a laser pistol or anything sci-fi in the movie? That answer to me, would be No, I could not feel the same way about that movie it was like that, just as I cannot feel SWTOR is the same as ESO.


Well I'm off to play the game I love, I hope I have inspired the many people who love Old School High Adventure and do not let others dis-sway you from things you love, just because others hate it or might not recognize the difference between the old school high adventure genre we grew up on and came to love in our youth and another whole different genre of games. Enjoy!

  Arglebargle

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Posts: 1187

4/04/14 1:26:52 PM#127
In an aside, half those movies you mentioned are just awful.  They inspire me to hunt for a cigarette lighter to set the celluloid on fire!

If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  Knotwood

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Joined: 2/08/14
Posts: 1117

 
OP  4/04/14 1:27:17 PM#128
Originally posted by greenreen

 

Paying for a sub game

 

that has a free to play shadow isn't

 

my idea of "old school".

 

All I can say to this is "THE LOVE OF MONEY" is not the same as "THE LOVE OF A GAME".   Nor does it have anything to do with old school or not old school, in the context of the Old School High Aventure genre that I speak of.   It has nothing to do with Theme park , or not theme park.....

 

There is a difference between old school games, and old school line of thought that created old school games.   Its the old school culture of high adventure that made your old school games you so much defend, which puzzles me why you cannot see the old school culture of high adventure in ESO.   Instead you rather look shallow into what old school really means.

  Mardukk

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4/04/14 1:37:31 PM#129
Originally posted by Dihoru
UO, DAoC and EVE-Online called and they said to tell you that old school ain't what you think it is.

Also EQ on the other line.  ESO is a streamlined no risk reward quest grinder and doesn't feel even the least bit "old school".  Making a virtual world with lots of freedom is definitely not what I think the ESO devs were shooting for here.  I think OP may be referring to something else other than MMO's...not sure what he is thinking. 

  Cuppett5

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4/04/14 2:53:00 PM#130
Comparing this game to Asheron's Call should be a sin. AC was an open world non linear PVP masterpiece. This game is with the new school MMOS and classified as a themepark to someone who has played old school MMOS. This is a good themepark MMO for enjoyment and boredom til EQ:Next or one of the new sandbox MMOs are released. We can only cross our fingers and hope that the sandbox games can deliver that old school feeling of adventure and deliver some hardcore PVP.
  prowess

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4/04/14 3:07:43 PM#131
Knotwood thinks 'high adventure' means 'you have to be high to enjoy it.'


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  Don-Quixote

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4/04/14 3:36:09 PM#132
Originally posted by Knotwood

For me ESO is my 1000 year old bottle of wine. I'm sure some would prefer ten cases of beer instead of that 1000 year old bottle of wine, because they would rather get drink that many times more. But to me, this 1000year old bottle of wine is 100% my tastes.

 

Age is not one of the most important qualities a good wine has.

More important qualities:

  • How much alcohol it has

  • How acidic it is

  • How tannic it is

  • Was it aged in an oak barrel or was it aged using only oak essence?

And a rather large etc.

the longer you keep a wine unopened, the more probably it'll become flat or turn sour. Which is terrible for a wine.

  Reklaw

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4/04/14 3:49:29 PM#133
Originally posted by Myzery78
Originally posted by Knotwood

For that I want to say Thank you Zenimax for not giving up on the Old School players and stayed true to the feeling and immersion of the old school days of High Adventure!!!   I feel there will be a lot of others who feel the same as I do....

 

 

As someone who grew up on EQ, I just threw up a bit. ESO is nothing like the old school MMOs. You get your hand held through all the quests, and the content is laughably easy.

Funny seeing someone who grew up with EQ to let another MMO hold his hands?

 

 

 

  Knotwood

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OP  4/04/14 3:56:26 PM#134
Originally posted by Cuppett5
Comparing this game to Asheron's Call should be a sin. AC was an open world non linear PVP masterpiece. This game is with the new school MMOS and classified as a themepark to someone who has played old school MMOS. This is a good themepark MMO for enjoyment and boredom til EQ:Next or one of the new sandbox MMOs are released. We can only cross our fingers and hope that the sandbox games can deliver that old school feeling of adventure and deliver some hardcore PVP.

Actually I'm not comparing any game to ESO.   What I am saying is that the genre as a whole, the High Adventure style genre,  was used to create ESO, the same EXACT reaons Asherons Call was made, are the EXACT same reasons ESO was made, how could you not see that?   

 

Did you miss all the movies, games, core principles of high adventure days we used to live in as a youth?  I don't want you to reply right away, think about this one first.... 

 

Search deep within yourself and see why AC was even created, surely the developers had a vision...   Where did THAT vision come from?   Then look at ESO and ask yourself, where di the vision come from that created it?    There you will find your answer.   

 

Hint:  It exists in the old school culture of the high adventure genre.

 

Old School: 1: Traditionalists: a group of people who adhere to traditional or old-fashioned values and practices.    2: Characteristic or evocative of an earlier or ORIGINAL style, manner, or form. 

(The old fashion culture that made AC is the Original Style that existed in movies, books, games, ect. is the same old fashioned culture that made ESO)

 

  Galadourn

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4/04/14 3:58:47 PM#135
TESO feels old, not old-school...

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  krulux

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4/04/14 4:04:02 PM#136

"Hate.  Haters never change.

Since the dawn of the internet, when its creators first discovered the trolling power of words and hate, fanboi blood has been boiled in the name and flame of everything: from opinion to lies and to simple, psychotic rage.

In the year 2004, after years of trolled and baited conflict, the destructive nature of gamers could sustain itself no longer. The internet was plunged into an abyss of nuclear forum flames and the modern MMO was born and the old school games died."

 

OP, I agree with your opinion of ESO at least so much as its a good game... but I don't compare it to any old-school game.  ESO is decent enough to stand on its own merit.

We jaded gamers of today are not capable of liking anything anymore.  We tend to live in the past and compare new games to the rose colored gaming memories of our past.  What we fail to realize is that we will never find a game to replace those memories, so we instead turn our flames of frustration on those who would otherwise enjoy something new.

I am guilty as the next in this aspect and have hated on many titles in the past.  And I have shrilled as a fanboi far to many times.  Now I just don't care much anymore what others think.  Ultimately, it is up to us to find and play the games we enjoy... and not worry about it if someone else is enjoying it or not.

 

Stop trying to convince others to like what you like or to hate what you hate... let go the hate, and like what you like.  To Hell with the rest.

  Knotwood

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Joined: 2/08/14
Posts: 1117

 
OP  4/04/14 4:13:52 PM#137
Originally posted by krulux

"Hate.  Haters never change.

Since the dawn of the internet, when its creators first discovered the trolling power of words and hate, fanboi blood has been boiled in the name and flame of everything: from opinion to lies and to simple, psychotic rage.

In the year 2004, after years of trolled and baited conflict, the destructive nature of gamers could sustain itself no longer. The internet was plunged into an abyss of nuclear forum flames and the modern MMO was born and the old school games died."

 

OP, I agree with your opinion of ESO at least so much as its a good game... but I don't compare it to any old-school game.  ESO is decent enough to stand on its own merit.

We jaded gamers of today are not capable of liking anything anymore.  We tend to live in the past and compare new games to the rose colored gaming memories of our past.  What we fail to realize is that we will never find a game to replace those memories, so we instead turn our flames of frustration on those who would otherwise enjoy something new.

I am guilty as the next in this aspect and have hated on many titles in the past.  And I have shrilled as a fanboi far to many times.  Now I just don't care much anymore what others think.  Ultimately, it is up to us to find and play the games we enjoy... and not worry about it if someone else is enjoying it or not.

 

Stop trying to convince others to like what you like or to hate what you hate... let go the hate, and like what you like.  To Hell with the rest.

Although I'm glad you enjoy ESO, this post was not about comparing this game to old games, and it certainly is not to convince others who hate the game to like it.  

 

What gets me is the lack of reading people do, they are quick to post a message but not read the Original Post, you couldn't have been more futher away from what I was expressing in my Original Post.   But by all means, keep posting and trying to convince me that I somehow do not like this game for the reasons I stated.  (or reasons you try to make up and say I said). 

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4/04/14 4:13:55 PM#138
Originally posted by Knotwood
Originally posted by Cuppett5
Comparing this game to Asheron's Call should be a sin. AC was an open world non linear PVP masterpiece. This game is with the new school MMOS and classified as a themepark to someone who has played old school MMOS. This is a good themepark MMO for enjoyment and boredom til EQ:Next or one of the new sandbox MMOs are released. We can only cross our fingers and hope that the sandbox games can deliver that old school feeling of adventure and deliver some hardcore PVP.

Actually I'm not comparing any game to ESO.   What I am saying is that the genre as a whole, the High Adventure style genre,  was used to create ESO, the same EXACT reaons Asherons Call was made, are the EXACT same reasons ESO was made, how could you not see that?   

 

Did you miss all the movies, games, core principles of high adventure days we used to live in as a youth?  I don't want you to reply right away, think about this one first.... 

 

Search deep within yourself and see why AC was even created, surely the developers had a vision...   Where did THAT vision come from?   Then look at ESO and ask yourself, where di the vision come from that created it?    There you will find your answer.   

 

Hint:  It exists in the old school culture of the high adventure genre.

 

Old School: 1: Traditionalists: a group of people who adhere to traditional or old-fashioned values and practices.    2: Characteristic or evocative of an earlier or ORIGINAL style, manner, or form. 

(The old fashion culture that made AC is the Original Style that existed in movies, books, games, ect. is the same old fashioned culture that made ESO)

 

... the old guard MMOs were made to be fun and challenging not following a vision, please stop it with that because you sound like a broken record already.

  Knotwood

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Joined: 2/08/14
Posts: 1117

 
OP  4/04/14 4:19:31 PM#139
Originally posted by Dihoru
 

... the old guard MMOs were made to be fun and challenging not following a vision, please stop it with that because you sound like a broken record already.

Going through this entire thread, I clearly see that a Majority of people see what I said and agree with me.  Including the review on the front of MMORPG.com.    its amazing how so many people get it, but someone like you cannot. 

 

As far as broken records go, Your the only one saying the same thing after a good 30 or 40 different people have agreed with me and praised this game.    So as far as broken records go, that's all I state, the thread speaks for itself....

 

I'll expect you to have another negative reply to this also, most people post their thoughts on a thread and move on, its clear this is not the case with you. So I must ask you to please show a little respect for others views then your own.  Its part of social tolerance and is a sign of good character.

  prowess

Novice Member

Joined: 11/04/07
Posts: 170

4/04/14 5:16:52 PM#140
Originally posted by Knotwood
Originally posted by Dihoru
 

... the old guard MMOs were made to be fun and challenging not following a vision, please stop it with that because you sound like a broken record already.

Going through this entire thread, I clearly see that a Majority of people see what I said and agree with me.  Including the review on the front of MMORPG.com.    its amazing how so many people get it, but someone like you cannot. 

 

As far as broken records go, Your the only one saying the same thing after a good 30 or 40 different people have agreed with me and praised this game.    So as far as broken records go, that's all I state, the thread speaks for itself....

 

I'll expect you to have another negative reply to this also, most people post their thoughts on a thread and move on, its clear this is not the case with you. So I must ask you to please show a little respect for others views then your own.  Its part of social tolerance and is a sign of good character.

I've also gone through this entire thread and I see far more people telling you you're smoking crack if you think ESO is oldschool...  The majority are saying, "I think ESO is amazing but it's not oldschool."  I think ESO is a very well-built questgrind themepark and I hate it.

You have to also take into consideration your sample pool of opinions..  This is an ESO forum on MMORPG.com.  The majority of people are here looking for information about a game they like.  If you think this forum is a good place to discover what the majority of people think, you obviously don't work for Zogby.

Love the holier-than-thou attitude, too, such good character!

 


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