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  Teala

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Joined: 6/16/04
Posts: 7433

"Really officer, they're herbs."

3/31/14 11:52:20 PM#241
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

Teala - Erotica 1 did nothing wrong.

Teala - Where did i say Sohkar deserved it?

Two polarizing statements by same person.

Why are we still talking about this guys? let this die we are going in circles arguing with someone who can't even make up her own mind.

Yes, because this is about me...not what we are discussing.   Which you've been doing a lot of. 

  Hazelle

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Joined: 1/20/11
Posts: 773

4/01/14 1:44:04 AM#242
Originally posted by DarSepki
Originally posted by Solar_Prophet
Originally posted by Paske

So basicly, Erotica 1, one of the most exposed scammers has *GASP* scammed someone.

That someone was dumb enough to give them even more assets.

Now they are bu** hurt and write angry posts about it.

 

You have to understand, EVE is NOT your garden variety game. No one will hold you by your hand while you make your first steppes. No one cares if you toiled for months to get that ISK only to see it blown up/ scammed/ stolen / whatever.

You bought 500$ worh of PLEX, sold it for ISK , got your self 20bil CNR only to get it blown up on Jita undock ? Excuse us while we point and laugh at you.

 

The game isnt for everyone, it never was and it never said it was. Scamming, stealing, lying, doing what you want or must is all alowed.

Using third party people in order to get intel on your rivals in attempt to steal all their assets and then mock them in public ? More power to you !

 

You dont like it? May I sugest some other game then. EVE is harsh and doesnt forgive. Adapt or die.

Gotta love how you and others are still trying to make this about the scam.

THIS. WAS. NEVER. ABOUT. THE. SCAM.

The guy fell for a scam, and I couldn't care less about him losing his in-game property. He made a stupid choice, and in all honesty absolutely deserved to lose said property.

The issue here is the fact that for two hours, several people strung him along with false reassurances & hope with the sole purpose of pushing him to his breaking point for their own sadistic enjoyment. That's the issue here, not the loss of digital property. One would think that would go without saying, but then again perhaps I'm giving the people defending this sort of garbage too much credit.

I hope that, should some of you find yourselves being mugged or bullied some day, the cops simply tell you that , "Life is harsh and doesn't forgive. Adapt or die." Then maybe you'll realize just how ridiculous and disgusting your attitudes are.

You make a valid point, if only it was based off of facts:

The purpose of the room wasn't to push people to the breaking point. I thought it was at the beginning and had to do a bit of research to find out that this wasn't the case. This is partially why the "witch" in this hunt was targeted. People were way to quick to pass judgement then to spend the extra effort to find the facts

You degrade your argument by wishing physical harm against those who disagree with you. This tells me that you are emotionally and not logically driven with this post.

 

Please consider the following FACTS logically before posting further:

1. The victim has made a public post. In it, he tells people that he is at fault, and people should drop it.

2. The blogger, and elected community representative, has never spoken to the victim before or after he made his post publicly shunning the scammers. The victim's attempt to speak to this blogger have been ignored.

3. The blogger who started this now is refusing to speak to anyone who doesn't absolutely agree with his position. He has been openly rude against anyone who wants to bring up the 'side issues' that have been raised because of this.

 

 

Those who continue to go on this witch hunt are no longer going in support of the 'victim' that are claiming to support. Like witch hunts in the past it only requires the actions of the accuser(s) to go on. And seeing that the main accuser is ignoring the desire of the victim of said act, it suggests that the accuser is acting on their own agenda.

Those who continue to support him have been more likely to emotionally driven. They have been posting hateful things such as declaring those who choose to defend against it as 'sociopaths' or like in your case, wishing physical harm. I hope people like you will learn to clear their emotions at the door and show restraint and respect and not spread the hate over a little drama.

I think for most people it wasn't about the scam or championing the "victim's" cause; it was about a person feeling pleased by something the rest of us find on some level abhorrent and pleased enough to record it for posterity and then put it up in the internetz as if it was some sort of accomplishment that deserved recognition.

He got the recognition he deserved.

  Muke

Elite Member

Joined: 1/04/07
Posts: 1612

4/01/14 1:47:58 AM#243
Originally posted by Hazelle
 

I think for most people it wasn't about the scam or championing the "victim's" cause; it was about a person feeling pleased by something the rest of us find on some level abhorrent and pleased enough to record it for posterity and then put it up in the internetz as if it was some sort of accomplishment that deserved recognition.

He got the recognition he deserved.

Believe me, such players won't sleep any worse knowing they are hated.
They can create millions of threads complaining about griefers and scammers, but the fact remains that they won't give a sh*t as they know they are just games and the angry people yelling at them are thousands of miles away, capable of doing nothing.

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  taus01

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Joined: 4/12/06
Posts: 1419

4/01/14 3:51:07 PM#244
Originally posted by DarSepki

 

Please consider the following FACTS logically before posting further:

1. The victim has made a public post. In it, he tells people that he is at fault, and people should drop it.

2. The blogger, and elected community representative, has never spoken to the victim before or after he made his post publicly shunning the scammers. The victim's attempt to speak to this blogger have been ignored.

3. The blogger who started this now is refusing to speak to anyone who doesn't absolutely agree with his position. He has been openly rude against anyone who wants to bring up the 'side issues' that have been raised because of this.

 

 

You say that It does not matter if the victim thinks it was fine. It does not matter if the victim agreed to take part in it.

Let me ask you this:

  • Would it be fine to hit your spouse because she tells the police that she fell down the stairs and always comes bck to you?
  • Would it be ok to rape a woman because she dresses sexy and provokes it, while afterwards denying it happened.
  • Is it fine to kill someone because he asks you to do it.
  • Is it normal to speed up and run over a pedestrian because he knew what he was getting into when he crossed the street.

Guess what? That is not how it works and thank god there are not many people like you out there because then we would be truly F#$*@!

The law and morals also exists to protect those that can not or are not willing to protect themselves. Be that because they are mentally challenged, psychologically traumatized, scared or simply not aware what they got involved with.

Think about that before you continue to post more of your crazy thoughts.

 

"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

  Yamota

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Joined: 10/05/03
Posts: 6508

"I fight so you don't have to."

 
OP  4/01/14 4:52:49 PM#245
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Teala
This was a witch hunt started by Ripard Teg(a member and co-chair of EVE's  CSM), because he has an issue with the player and character of Erotica 1.  Plan and simple.   And those of you that participated in it - pat yourselves on the back...congratulations...you have shown that you can still be duped as easily as ever.   

Did you listen to the recording? Are you telling me it was staged? If not then this "witch-hunt" is warranted and justified. People like that are garbage and belong behind bars or at the very least, banned from using a computer.

I listened to the recording multiple times.   I heard them do nothing that warrants this to be construed as torture or some kind of heinous crime.   If asking someone to sing a couple of songs and recite a few lines from a make believe charter is harsh treatment to you...I have to wonder about what your ulterior motives are regarding this. I heard two consenting adults playing a game.   One guy got upset.  People do that when they realize they have been scammed and are not getting their money back.  People do that when playing chess even.  Or playing cards.   Yes, even people playing video games that can't handle losing get upset.   That is what I heard.  I heard no torture - as Ripard Teg described it as being...and some of you others.   That was not torture at all.   So stop making it out as such.   

I did however hear the guy being scammed break all kinds of rules regarding EVE's EULA.   

And if you must get upset...put the blame right where it belongs...not on Erotica, not on Sohkar, not on any scammer, ganker or awoxer.   Put it on CCP.   They nurtured this atmosphere of "collecting tears"...they even made jokes about it.    They fed it with videos even like HTFU.   You want someone to blame.   Blame CCP.

Otherwise, this is part of the game...it has been since day one.   The difference now is someone in game(someone with the ability to directly petition CCP) has decided to get rid of scammers and such, so they have started an in-game inquisition - and anyone that sides with him is a part of it.  Congratulations.

I guess we just have different empathy levels because what I heard was a bunch of people, taking joy in mentally tormenting a inexperienced/stupid player. Torture, is a strong word but I think you think that torture is only physical, it is not. And what I heard on that recording was nothing short of mental torture. Coercing people into humiliating themselves, recording it and post it online is what in your book? Playful bantering?

And I do blame CCP. Amusing though that you hint about my "ulterior motives". My ulterior motives is that I hate despicable, sadist behavior and companies making profit of said behavior so I want it to be known what they are doing. I dont care much about scamming, happens in any game, but in Eve it is on a whole different level. It is about hurting the other person, not take stuff that they probably dont need anyway, but to enjoy the thought that you are hurting someone else. And that is sadism and has no place in online gaming

Like that idiot who asked for harassing some guy to get him to kill himself. Sure CCP acted there but that was because of the bad publicity it was causing.

And not only that, Eve is ripe with racist and sexual remarks. I have read bios that had all kinds of hateful, racist text and when you report it, absolutely nothing happens. So I guess that is part of the game as well?

  DarSepki

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/22/10
Posts: 51

4/01/14 6:06:13 PM#246
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by DarSepki

 

Please consider the following FACTS logically before posting further:

1. The victim has made a public post. In it, he tells people that he is at fault, and people should drop it.

2. The blogger, and elected community representative, has never spoken to the victim before or after he made his post publicly shunning the scammers. The victim's attempt to speak to this blogger have been ignored.

3. The blogger who started this now is refusing to speak to anyone who doesn't absolutely agree with his position. He has been openly rude against anyone who wants to bring up the 'side issues' that have been raised because of this.

 

 

You say that It does not matter if the victim thinks it was fine. It does not matter if the victim agreed to take part in it.

Let me ask you this:

  • Would it be fine to hit your spouse because she tells the police that she fell down the stairs and always comes bck to you?
  • Would it be ok to rape a woman because she dresses sexy and provokes it, while afterwards denying it happened.
  • Is it fine to kill someone because he asks you to do it.
  • Is it normal to speed up and run over a pedestrian because he knew what he was getting into when he crossed the street.

Guess what? That is not how it works and thank god there are not many people like you out there because then we would be truly F#$*@!

The law and morals also exists to protect those that can not or are not willing to protect themselves. Be that because they are mentally challenged, psychologically traumatized, scared or simply not aware what they got involved with.

Think about that before you continue to post more of your crazy thoughts.

 

None of your examples are not even close to what you THINK has happened here. You have escalated the situation to match what happened here to every other immoral act. So I will not answer them. But in the effort of matching your absurd argument I shall ask my own:

  • Do you think it is acceptable to escalate this argument into a physical confrontation? Or wish physical harm come to those who do not believe in your viewpoint? (There have been several examples of people who share your viewpoint who have crossed this line.)
  • Do you believe in a legal system based on due justice? (It's CCP they can do whatever they want or need. But as all your questions deal with outside of game this one applies)
  • Do you think it is OK dismiss other viewpoints because they hurt your feelings.
Your entire point is based on the fact that Erotic 1 has committed an immoral act. That has not yet been proven, certainly not within the case that involved Sohkar. If you understand the concepts and rules of the bonus room you wouldn't post with such hostility. Fact is you are only contributing to the anger and hate that has been spreading around because of this.
  taus01

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Joined: 4/12/06
Posts: 1419

4/02/14 2:19:58 PM#247
Originally posted by DarSepki
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by DarSepki

 

Please consider the following FACTS logically before posting further:

1. The victim has made a public post. In it, he tells people that he is at fault, and people should drop it.

2. The blogger, and elected community representative, has never spoken to the victim before or after he made his post publicly shunning the scammers. The victim's attempt to speak to this blogger have been ignored.

3. The blogger who started this now is refusing to speak to anyone who doesn't absolutely agree with his position. He has been openly rude against anyone who wants to bring up the 'side issues' that have been raised because of this.

 

 

You say that It does not matter if the victim thinks it was fine. It does not matter if the victim agreed to take part in it.

Let me ask you this:

  • Would it be fine to hit your spouse because she tells the police that she fell down the stairs and always comes bck to you?
  • Would it be ok to rape a woman because she dresses sexy and provokes it, while afterwards denying it happened.
  • Is it fine to kill someone because he asks you to do it.
  • Is it normal to speed up and run over a pedestrian because he knew what he was getting into when he crossed the street.

Guess what? That is not how it works and thank god there are not many people like you out there because then we would be truly F#$*@!

The law and morals also exists to protect those that can not or are not willing to protect themselves. Be that because they are mentally challenged, psychologically traumatized, scared or simply not aware what they got involved with.

Think about that before you continue to post more of your crazy thoughts.

 

None of your examples are not even close to what you THINK has happened here. You have escalated the situation to match what happened here to every other immoral act. So I will not answer them. But in the effort of matching your absurd argument I shall ask my own:

  • Do you think it is acceptable to escalate this argument into a physical confrontation? Or wish physical harm come to those who do not believe in your viewpoint? (There have been several examples of people who share your viewpoint who have crossed this line.)
  • Do you believe in a legal system based on due justice? (It's CCP they can do whatever they want or need. But as all your questions deal with outside of game this one applies)
  • Do you think it is OK dismiss other viewpoints because they hurt your feelings.
Your entire point is based on the fact that Erotic 1 has committed an immoral act. That has not yet been proven, certainly not within the case that involved Sohkar. If you understand the concepts and rules of the bonus room you wouldn't post with such hostility. Fact is you are only contributing to the anger and hate that has been spreading around because of this.

I have no idea why you try to deflect the real issue other than that you are truly oblivious to the fact that what was done by Erotica 1 was both morally wrong and judically wrong.

A human being was taken to the breaking point for personal amusement and his family was dragged into it and made fun of. Erotica 1 then used the recordings to publicly shame the individual by posting them on a public website for only one purpose, to make fun of the individual and gain some form of respect amongst other similarly disturbed individuals.

Erotica 1 showed no empathy towards the victim even after 2 hours of pointless psychological abuse and ridicule by not only making fun of his wife but also using the victims desperation and vulnerability to prolong the humiliation even further.

These actions are consistent with high functioning sociopaths. They present themselves as something they are not, they mimic feeling and use empathy to lure their prey.

It does not matter that Sohkar or any other victims in this so called "bonus room" have agreed to the rules or if they agreed to the recording or the public broadcast of them. It's of no consequence just like in the examples i gave in my last post.

It can also easily be demonstrated that not only psychological but also financial damage was done too, since the in game currency ISK is indirectly linked to real world currency via the buying and selling of so called PLEX inside and outside of the game.

PS: As for your deflecting questions. It also does not matter what other people have done before or after this. It does not matter what viewpoints someone has or what CCP thinks. No one is dismissing anything or has hurt feelings. It's irrelevant to the fact that what was done is wrong.

"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

  Teala

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Posts: 7433

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4/02/14 4:12:59 PM#248
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by DarSepki
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by DarSepki

 

Please consider the following FACTS logically before posting further:

1. The victim has made a public post. In it, he tells people that he is at fault, and people should drop it.

2. The blogger, and elected community representative, has never spoken to the victim before or after he made his post publicly shunning the scammers. The victim's attempt to speak to this blogger have been ignored.

3. The blogger who started this now is refusing to speak to anyone who doesn't absolutely agree with his position. He has been openly rude against anyone who wants to bring up the 'side issues' that have been raised because of this.

 

 

You say that It does not matter if the victim thinks it was fine. It does not matter if the victim agreed to take part in it.

Let me ask you this:

  • Would it be fine to hit your spouse because she tells the police that she fell down the stairs and always comes bck to you?
  • Would it be ok to rape a woman because she dresses sexy and provokes it, while afterwards denying it happened.
  • Is it fine to kill someone because he asks you to do it.
  • Is it normal to speed up and run over a pedestrian because he knew what he was getting into when he crossed the street.

Guess what? That is not how it works and thank god there are not many people like you out there because then we would be truly F#$*@!

The law and morals also exists to protect those that can not or are not willing to protect themselves. Be that because they are mentally challenged, psychologically traumatized, scared or simply not aware what they got involved with.

Think about that before you continue to post more of your crazy thoughts.

 

None of your examples are not even close to what you THINK has happened here. You have escalated the situation to match what happened here to every other immoral act. So I will not answer them. But in the effort of matching your absurd argument I shall ask my own:

  • Do you think it is acceptable to escalate this argument into a physical confrontation? Or wish physical harm come to those who do not believe in your viewpoint? (There have been several examples of people who share your viewpoint who have crossed this line.)
  • Do you believe in a legal system based on due justice? (It's CCP they can do whatever they want or need. But as all your questions deal with outside of game this one applies)
  • Do you think it is OK dismiss other viewpoints because they hurt your feelings.
Your entire point is based on the fact that Erotic 1 has committed an immoral act. That has not yet been proven, certainly not within the case that involved Sohkar. If you understand the concepts and rules of the bonus room you wouldn't post with such hostility. Fact is you are only contributing to the anger and hate that has been spreading around because of this.

I have no idea why you try to deflect the real issue other than that you are truly oblivious to the fact that what was done by Erotica 1 was both morally wrong and judically wrong.

That is your opinion, not everyone agrees with it.  In fact I have found this story posted all over the Internet and most agree that Sohkar was the one that was out of line.   He chose to participate.  He could have stopped at any time.  Nothing you say can change that fact.    Nobody put a gun to his head or tied him to a chair.   There was no torture - and you really need to stop using  that word.   It was the furthest thing from torture.

A human being was taken to the breaking point for personal amusement and his family was dragged into it and made fun of. Erotica 1 then used the recordings to publicly shame the individual by posting them on a public website for only one purpose, to make fun of the individual and gain some form of respect amongst other similarly disturbed individuals.

He wasn't taken to no breaking point.   He finally realized, finally...that he had been scammed.   This wasn't his first time around the block in this game in regards to being scammed.    Erotica 1 had scammed him 2 times before.   So stop making excuses for poor little old Sohkar.

Erotica 1 showed no empathy towards the victim even after 2 hours of pointless psychological abuse and ridicule by not only making fun of his wife but also using the victims desperation and vulnerability to prolong the humiliation even further.

Pointless psychological abuse.  You really like to sensationalize this don't you.   Hello, are you Ripard Teg?

These actions are consistent with high functioning sociopaths. They present themselves as something they are not, they mimic feeling and use empathy to lure their prey.

So your a board certified psychiatrist?

It does not matter that Sohkar or any other victims in this so called "bonus room" have agreed to the rules or if they agreed to the recording or the public broadcast of them. It's of no consequence just like in the examples i gave in my last post.

Right, lets not hold people accountable for their own actions.   Instead, let's make it seem like they are incapable of making sound judgement calls - let's go further and make it sound like the player behind the keyboard has an IQ of less that 80.    But totally forget that this guy is an air traffic controller in real life.   That he is a grown adult, that has to make adult type decisions every day.   Let's just neglect all that.

It can also easily be demonstrated that not only psychological but also financial damage was done too, since the in game currency ISK is indirectly linked to real world currency via the buying and selling of so called PLEX inside and outside of the game.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but even CCP says items in game have no real world value.    Plus, everything in game is owned by CCP...go read the EULA.   You as a player own nothing in game.

PS: As for your deflecting questions. It also does not matter what other people have done before or after this. It does not matter what viewpoints someone has or what CCP thinks. No one is dismissing anything or has hurt feelings. It's irrelevant to the fact that what was done is wrong.

The only wrong that was done was a player(the guy that got scammed) broke EVE Online's EULA when he went into a rage and started tossing racial slurs around, threatening people with harm, and threatening peoples family members with harm   Those "are" clear violations of EVE's EULA.  

 

  kitarad

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4/02/14 4:36:52 PM#249

Erotica1 banned Sokhar not. Res ipsa loquitur

  Teala

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Joined: 6/16/04
Posts: 7433

"Really officer, they're herbs."

4/02/14 5:15:06 PM#250
Originally posted by kitarad

Erotica1 banned Sokhar not. Res ipsa loquitur

Yes, it proves that if you have a direct line to petition CCP you can get another player banned.   It also proves that CCP doesn't abide by their own rules.   It also proves that CCP has a double standard.

  taus01

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/12/06
Posts: 1419

4/03/14 6:01:50 AM#251
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by DarSepki
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by DarSepki

 

Please consider the following FACTS logically before posting further:

1. The victim has made a public post. In it, he tells people that he is at fault, and people should drop it.

2. The blogger, and elected community representative, has never spoken to the victim before or after he made his post publicly shunning the scammers. The victim's attempt to speak to this blogger have been ignored.

3. The blogger who started this now is refusing to speak to anyone who doesn't absolutely agree with his position. He has been openly rude against anyone who wants to bring up the 'side issues' that have been raised because of this.

 

 

You say that It does not matter if the victim thinks it was fine. It does not matter if the victim agreed to take part in it.

Let me ask you this:

  • Would it be fine to hit your spouse because she tells the police that she fell down the stairs and always comes bck to you?
  • Would it be ok to rape a woman because she dresses sexy and provokes it, while afterwards denying it happened.
  • Is it fine to kill someone because he asks you to do it.
  • Is it normal to speed up and run over a pedestrian because he knew what he was getting into when he crossed the street.

Guess what? That is not how it works and thank god there are not many people like you out there because then we would be truly F#$*@!

The law and morals also exists to protect those that can not or are not willing to protect themselves. Be that because they are mentally challenged, psychologically traumatized, scared or simply not aware what they got involved with.

Think about that before you continue to post more of your crazy thoughts.

 

None of your examples are not even close to what you THINK has happened here. You have escalated the situation to match what happened here to every other immoral act. So I will not answer them. But in the effort of matching your absurd argument I shall ask my own:

  • Do you think it is acceptable to escalate this argument into a physical confrontation? Or wish physical harm come to those who do not believe in your viewpoint? (There have been several examples of people who share your viewpoint who have crossed this line.)
  • Do you believe in a legal system based on due justice? (It's CCP they can do whatever they want or need. But as all your questions deal with outside of game this one applies)
  • Do you think it is OK dismiss other viewpoints because they hurt your feelings.
Your entire point is based on the fact that Erotic 1 has committed an immoral act. That has not yet been proven, certainly not within the case that involved Sohkar. If you understand the concepts and rules of the bonus room you wouldn't post with such hostility. Fact is you are only contributing to the anger and hate that has been spreading around because of this.

I have no idea why you try to deflect the real issue other than that you are truly oblivious to the fact that what was done by Erotica 1 was both morally wrong and judically wrong.

That is your opinion, not everyone agrees with it.  In fact I have found this story posted all over the Internet and most agree that Sohkar was the one that was out of line.   He chose to participate.  He could have stopped at any time.  Nothing you say can change that fact.    Nobody put a gun to his head or tied him to a chair.   There was no torture - and you really need to stop using  that word.   It was the furthest thing from torture.

A human being was taken to the breaking point for personal amusement and his family was dragged into it and made fun of. Erotica 1 then used the recordings to publicly shame the individual by posting them on a public website for only one purpose, to make fun of the individual and gain some form of respect amongst other similarly disturbed individuals.

He wasn't taken to no breaking point.   He finally realized, finally...that he had been scammed.   This wasn't his first time around the block in this game in regards to being scammed.    Erotica 1 had scammed him 2 times before.   So stop making excuses for poor little old Sohkar.

Erotica 1 showed no empathy towards the victim even after 2 hours of pointless psychological abuse and ridicule by not only making fun of his wife but also using the victims desperation and vulnerability to prolong the humiliation even further.

Pointless psychological abuse.  You really like to sensationalize this don't you.   Hello, are you Ripard Teg?

These actions are consistent with high functioning sociopaths. They present themselves as something they are not, they mimic feeling and use empathy to lure their prey.

So your a board certified psychiatrist?

It does not matter that Sohkar or any other victims in this so called "bonus room" have agreed to the rules or if they agreed to the recording or the public broadcast of them. It's of no consequence just like in the examples i gave in my last post.

Right, lets not hold people accountable for their own actions.   Instead, let's make it seem like they are incapable of making sound judgement calls - let's go further and make it sound like the player behind the keyboard has an IQ of less that 80.    But totally forget that this guy is an air traffic controller in real life.   That he is a grown adult, that has to make adult type decisions every day.   Let's just neglect all that.

It can also easily be demonstrated that not only psychological but also financial damage was done too, since the in game currency ISK is indirectly linked to real world currency via the buying and selling of so called PLEX inside and outside of the game.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but even CCP says items in game have no real world value.    Plus, everything in game is owned by CCP...go read the EULA.   You as a player own nothing in game.

PS: As for your deflecting questions. It also does not matter what other people have done before or after this. It does not matter what viewpoints someone has or what CCP thinks. No one is dismissing anything or has hurt feelings. It's irrelevant to the fact that what was done is wrong.

The only wrong that was done was a player(the guy that got scammed) broke EVE Online's EULA when he went into a rage and started tossing racial slurs around, threatening people with harm, and threatening peoples family members with harm   Those "are" clear violations of EVE's EULA.  

 

Let me know when you have any real counter arguments and stop being delusional.

I never used the word torture for example so get your act together and snap out of it!

There is no opinion here at all, this is a misdemeanor, defamation and possibly assault. The evidence is clear in that it shows Erotica 1 had only one intention entering into this "bonus room" game and that was to humiliate and break the victim for his personal amusement and to further his reputation amongst others by posting it publicly on the internet and even advertising for it.

Yes, the law protects everyone from a crime, even those that subject themselves to one, it protects them from predators such as Erotica 1 and it does not matter if they agree to be violated.

You however desperately keep trying to find excuses for the assault on this person and his family by a sociopath and his friends. There is something wrong with you if you can not understand that simple concept.

I will ignore all the rest of your strawman arguments, deflections and feeble attempt at blaming the victim because frankly i am getting tired to explain this.

"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

  User Deleted
4/03/14 6:21:27 AM#252
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by DarSepki
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by DarSepki

 

Please consider the following FACTS logically before posting further:

1. The victim has made a public post. In it, he tells people that he is at fault, and people should drop it.

2. The blogger, and elected community representative, has never spoken to the victim before or after he made his post publicly shunning the scammers. The victim's attempt to speak to this blogger have been ignored.

3. The blogger who started this now is refusing to speak to anyone who doesn't absolutely agree with his position. He has been openly rude against anyone who wants to bring up the 'side issues' that have been raised because of this.

 

 

You say that It does not matter if the victim thinks it was fine. It does not matter if the victim agreed to take part in it.

Let me ask you this:

  • Would it be fine to hit your spouse because she tells the police that she fell down the stairs and always comes bck to you?
  • Would it be ok to rape a woman because she dresses sexy and provokes it, while afterwards denying it happened.
  • Is it fine to kill someone because he asks you to do it.
  • Is it normal to speed up and run over a pedestrian because he knew what he was getting into when he crossed the street.

Guess what? That is not how it works and thank god there are not many people like you out there because then we would be truly F#$*@!

The law and morals also exists to protect those that can not or are not willing to protect themselves. Be that because they are mentally challenged, psychologically traumatized, scared or simply not aware what they got involved with.

Think about that before you continue to post more of your crazy thoughts.

 

None of your examples are not even close to what you THINK has happened here. You have escalated the situation to match what happened here to every other immoral act. So I will not answer them. But in the effort of matching your absurd argument I shall ask my own:

  • Do you think it is acceptable to escalate this argument into a physical confrontation? Or wish physical harm come to those who do not believe in your viewpoint? (There have been several examples of people who share your viewpoint who have crossed this line.)
  • Do you believe in a legal system based on due justice? (It's CCP they can do whatever they want or need. But as all your questions deal with outside of game this one applies)
  • Do you think it is OK dismiss other viewpoints because they hurt your feelings.
Your entire point is based on the fact that Erotic 1 has committed an immoral act. That has not yet been proven, certainly not within the case that involved Sohkar. If you understand the concepts and rules of the bonus room you wouldn't post with such hostility. Fact is you are only contributing to the anger and hate that has been spreading around because of this.

I have no idea why you try to deflect the real issue other than that you are truly oblivious to the fact that what was done by Erotica 1 was both morally wrong and judically wrong.

That is your opinion, not everyone agrees with it.  In fact I have found this story posted all over the Internet and most agree that Sohkar was the one that was out of line.   He chose to participate.  He could have stopped at any time.  Nothing you say can change that fact.    Nobody put a gun to his head or tied him to a chair.   There was no torture - and you really need to stop using  that word.   It was the furthest thing from torture.

A human being was taken to the breaking point for personal amusement and his family was dragged into it and made fun of. Erotica 1 then used the recordings to publicly shame the individual by posting them on a public website for only one purpose, to make fun of the individual and gain some form of respect amongst other similarly disturbed individuals.

He wasn't taken to no breaking point.   He finally realized, finally...that he had been scammed.   This wasn't his first time around the block in this game in regards to being scammed.    Erotica 1 had scammed him 2 times before.   So stop making excuses for poor little old Sohkar.

Erotica 1 showed no empathy towards the victim even after 2 hours of pointless psychological abuse and ridicule by not only making fun of his wife but also using the victims desperation and vulnerability to prolong the humiliation even further.

Pointless psychological abuse.  You really like to sensationalize this don't you.   Hello, are you Ripard Teg?

These actions are consistent with high functioning sociopaths. They present themselves as something they are not, they mimic feeling and use empathy to lure their prey.

So your a board certified psychiatrist?

It does not matter that Sohkar or any other victims in this so called "bonus room" have agreed to the rules or if they agreed to the recording or the public broadcast of them. It's of no consequence just like in the examples i gave in my last post.

Right, lets not hold people accountable for their own actions.   Instead, let's make it seem like they are incapable of making sound judgement calls - let's go further and make it sound like the player behind the keyboard has an IQ of less that 80.    But totally forget that this guy is an air traffic controller in real life.   That he is a grown adult, that has to make adult type decisions every day.   Let's just neglect all that.

It can also easily be demonstrated that not only psychological but also financial damage was done too, since the in game currency ISK is indirectly linked to real world currency via the buying and selling of so called PLEX inside and outside of the game.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but even CCP says items in game have no real world value.    Plus, everything in game is owned by CCP...go read the EULA.   You as a player own nothing in game.

PS: As for your deflecting questions. It also does not matter what other people have done before or after this. It does not matter what viewpoints someone has or what CCP thinks. No one is dismissing anything or has hurt feelings. It's irrelevant to the fact that what was done is wrong.

The only wrong that was done was a player(the guy that got scammed) broke EVE Online's EULA when he went into a rage and started tossing racial slurs around, threatening people with harm, and threatening peoples family members with harm   Those "are" clear violations of EVE's EULA.  

 

Let me know when you have any real counter arguments and stop being delusional.

I never used the word torture for example so get your act together and snap out of it!

Yes, we do not hold people accountable for their actions if they are the victims of abuse or other psychological mistreatment. This is standard procedure in spouse abuse cases where the victim usually protects the abuser. There is NO EXCUSE for hitting your spouse it is simply assault.

You however desperately keep trying to find excuses for the assault on this person and his family by a sociopath and his friends. There is something wrong with you if you can not understand that simple concept.

I will ignore all the rest of your strawman arguments, deflections and feeble attempt at blaming the victim because frankly i am getting tired to explain this.

You claim a strawman argument after you say something is wrong with him based on your own subjective opinion... let me put it to you this way: The only person wrong here is the one claiming idiocies when both the "victim" and the "sociopath" say otherwise.

  taus01

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/12/06
Posts: 1419

4/03/14 6:33:21 AM#253
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by DarSepki
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by DarSepki

 

Please consider the following FACTS logically before posting further:

1. The victim has made a public post. In it, he tells people that he is at fault, and people should drop it.

2. The blogger, and elected community representative, has never spoken to the victim before or after he made his post publicly shunning the scammers. The victim's attempt to speak to this blogger have been ignored.

3. The blogger who started this now is refusing to speak to anyone who doesn't absolutely agree with his position. He has been openly rude against anyone who wants to bring up the 'side issues' that have been raised because of this.

 

 

You say that It does not matter if the victim thinks it was fine. It does not matter if the victim agreed to take part in it.

Let me ask you this:

  • Would it be fine to hit your spouse because she tells the police that she fell down the stairs and always comes bck to you?
  • Would it be ok to rape a woman because she dresses sexy and provokes it, while afterwards denying it happened.
  • Is it fine to kill someone because he asks you to do it.
  • Is it normal to speed up and run over a pedestrian because he knew what he was getting into when he crossed the street.

Guess what? That is not how it works and thank god there are not many people like you out there because then we would be truly F#$*@!

The law and morals also exists to protect those that can not or are not willing to protect themselves. Be that because they are mentally challenged, psychologically traumatized, scared or simply not aware what they got involved with.

Think about that before you continue to post more of your crazy thoughts.

 

None of your examples are not even close to what you THINK has happened here. You have escalated the situation to match what happened here to every other immoral act. So I will not answer them. But in the effort of matching your absurd argument I shall ask my own:

  • Do you think it is acceptable to escalate this argument into a physical confrontation? Or wish physical harm come to those who do not believe in your viewpoint? (There have been several examples of people who share your viewpoint who have crossed this line.)
  • Do you believe in a legal system based on due justice? (It's CCP they can do whatever they want or need. But as all your questions deal with outside of game this one applies)
  • Do you think it is OK dismiss other viewpoints because they hurt your feelings.
Your entire point is based on the fact that Erotic 1 has committed an immoral act. That has not yet been proven, certainly not within the case that involved Sohkar. If you understand the concepts and rules of the bonus room you wouldn't post with such hostility. Fact is you are only contributing to the anger and hate that has been spreading around because of this.

I have no idea why you try to deflect the real issue other than that you are truly oblivious to the fact that what was done by Erotica 1 was both morally wrong and judically wrong.

That is your opinion, not everyone agrees with it.  In fact I have found this story posted all over the Internet and most agree that Sohkar was the one that was out of line.   He chose to participate.  He could have stopped at any time.  Nothing you say can change that fact.    Nobody put a gun to his head or tied him to a chair.   There was no torture - and you really need to stop using  that word.   It was the furthest thing from torture.

A human being was taken to the breaking point for personal amusement and his family was dragged into it and made fun of. Erotica 1 then used the recordings to publicly shame the individual by posting them on a public website for only one purpose, to make fun of the individual and gain some form of respect amongst other similarly disturbed individuals.

He wasn't taken to no breaking point.   He finally realized, finally...that he had been scammed.   This wasn't his first time around the block in this game in regards to being scammed.    Erotica 1 had scammed him 2 times before.   So stop making excuses for poor little old Sohkar.

Erotica 1 showed no empathy towards the victim even after 2 hours of pointless psychological abuse and ridicule by not only making fun of his wife but also using the victims desperation and vulnerability to prolong the humiliation even further.

Pointless psychological abuse.  You really like to sensationalize this don't you.   Hello, are you Ripard Teg?

These actions are consistent with high functioning sociopaths. They present themselves as something they are not, they mimic feeling and use empathy to lure their prey.

So your a board certified psychiatrist?

It does not matter that Sohkar or any other victims in this so called "bonus room" have agreed to the rules or if they agreed to the recording or the public broadcast of them. It's of no consequence just like in the examples i gave in my last post.

Right, lets not hold people accountable for their own actions.   Instead, let's make it seem like they are incapable of making sound judgement calls - let's go further and make it sound like the player behind the keyboard has an IQ of less that 80.    But totally forget that this guy is an air traffic controller in real life.   That he is a grown adult, that has to make adult type decisions every day.   Let's just neglect all that.

It can also easily be demonstrated that not only psychological but also financial damage was done too, since the in game currency ISK is indirectly linked to real world currency via the buying and selling of so called PLEX inside and outside of the game.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but even CCP says items in game have no real world value.    Plus, everything in game is owned by CCP...go read the EULA.   You as a player own nothing in game.

PS: As for your deflecting questions. It also does not matter what other people have done before or after this. It does not matter what viewpoints someone has or what CCP thinks. No one is dismissing anything or has hurt feelings. It's irrelevant to the fact that what was done is wrong.

The only wrong that was done was a player(the guy that got scammed) broke EVE Online's EULA when he went into a rage and started tossing racial slurs around, threatening people with harm, and threatening peoples family members with harm   Those "are" clear violations of EVE's EULA.  

 

Let me know when you have any real counter arguments and stop being delusional.

I never used the word torture for example so get your act together and snap out of it!

Yes, we do not hold people accountable for their actions if they are the victims of abuse or other psychological mistreatment. This is standard procedure in spouse abuse cases where the victim usually protects the abuser. There is NO EXCUSE for hitting your spouse it is simply assault.

You however desperately keep trying to find excuses for the assault on this person and his family by a sociopath and his friends. There is something wrong with you if you can not understand that simple concept.

I will ignore all the rest of your strawman arguments, deflections and feeble attempt at blaming the victim because frankly i am getting tired to explain this.

You claim a strawman argument after you say something is wrong with him based on your own subjective opinion... let me put it to you this way: The only person wrong here is the one claiming idiocies when both the "victim" and the "sociopath" say otherwise.

It does not matter if the victim says he was fine with the abuse. It's still abuse, it is still defamation and it is still wrong.

You can go and ask any judge right now if he would let an abuser go free if the victim says it is fine that he gets abused. We both know what the answer of the judge will be.

It's quite clear you are refusing to understand although i am pretty sure you know exactly what i mean and you know exactly that what was done was wrong. Admitting you are wrong does not make you look weak, it's the opposite.

"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"

  uidLuc1d

Novice Member

Joined: 9/06/08
Posts: 196

4/03/14 6:36:14 AM#254
I'm always surprised to learn that EVE is still a "thing"... beyond being a great screen saver.
  User Deleted
4/03/14 6:40:41 AM#255
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by DarSepki
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by DarSepki

 

Please consider the following FACTS logically before posting further:

1. The victim has made a public post. In it, he tells people that he is at fault, and people should drop it.

2. The blogger, and elected community representative, has never spoken to the victim before or after he made his post publicly shunning the scammers. The victim's attempt to speak to this blogger have been ignored.

3. The blogger who started this now is refusing to speak to anyone who doesn't absolutely agree with his position. He has been openly rude against anyone who wants to bring up the 'side issues' that have been raised because of this.

 

 

You say that It does not matter if the victim thinks it was fine. It does not matter if the victim agreed to take part in it.

Let me ask you this:

  • Would it be fine to hit your spouse because she tells the police that she fell down the stairs and always comes bck to you?
  • Would it be ok to rape a woman because she dresses sexy and provokes it, while afterwards denying it happened.
  • Is it fine to kill someone because he asks you to do it.
  • Is it normal to speed up and run over a pedestrian because he knew what he was getting into when he crossed the street.

Guess what? That is not how it works and thank god there are not many people like you out there because then we would be truly F#$*@!

The law and morals also exists to protect those that can not or are not willing to protect themselves. Be that because they are mentally challenged, psychologically traumatized, scared or simply not aware what they got involved with.

Think about that before you continue to post more of your crazy thoughts.

 

None of your examples are not even close to what you THINK has happened here. You have escalated the situation to match what happened here to every other immoral act. So I will not answer them. But in the effort of matching your absurd argument I shall ask my own:

  • Do you think it is acceptable to escalate this argument into a physical confrontation? Or wish physical harm come to those who do not believe in your viewpoint? (There have been several examples of people who share your viewpoint who have crossed this line.)
  • Do you believe in a legal system based on due justice? (It's CCP they can do whatever they want or need. But as all your questions deal with outside of game this one applies)
  • Do you think it is OK dismiss other viewpoints because they hurt your feelings.
Your entire point is based on the fact that Erotic 1 has committed an immoral act. That has not yet been proven, certainly not within the case that involved Sohkar. If you understand the concepts and rules of the bonus room you wouldn't post with such hostility. Fact is you are only contributing to the anger and hate that has been spreading around because of this.

I have no idea why you try to deflect the real issue other than that you are truly oblivious to the fact that what was done by Erotica 1 was both morally wrong and judically wrong.

That is your opinion, not everyone agrees with it.  In fact I have found this story posted all over the Internet and most agree that Sohkar was the one that was out of line.   He chose to participate.  He could have stopped at any time.  Nothing you say can change that fact.    Nobody put a gun to his head or tied him to a chair.   There was no torture - and you really need to stop using  that word.   It was the furthest thing from torture.

A human being was taken to the breaking point for personal amusement and his family was dragged into it and made fun of. Erotica 1 then used the recordings to publicly shame the individual by posting them on a public website for only one purpose, to make fun of the individual and gain some form of respect amongst other similarly disturbed individuals.

He wasn't taken to no breaking point.   He finally realized, finally...that he had been scammed.   This wasn't his first time around the block in this game in regards to being scammed.    Erotica 1 had scammed him 2 times before.   So stop making excuses for poor little old Sohkar.

Erotica 1 showed no empathy towards the victim even after 2 hours of pointless psychological abuse and ridicule by not only making fun of his wife but also using the victims desperation and vulnerability to prolong the humiliation even further.

Pointless psychological abuse.  You really like to sensationalize this don't you.   Hello, are you Ripard Teg?

These actions are consistent with high functioning sociopaths. They present themselves as something they are not, they mimic feeling and use empathy to lure their prey.

So your a board certified psychiatrist?

It does not matter that Sohkar or any other victims in this so called "bonus room" have agreed to the rules or if they agreed to the recording or the public broadcast of them. It's of no consequence just like in the examples i gave in my last post.

Right, lets not hold people accountable for their own actions.   Instead, let's make it seem like they are incapable of making sound judgement calls - let's go further and make it sound like the player behind the keyboard has an IQ of less that 80.    But totally forget that this guy is an air traffic controller in real life.   That he is a grown adult, that has to make adult type decisions every day.   Let's just neglect all that.

It can also easily be demonstrated that not only psychological but also financial damage was done too, since the in game currency ISK is indirectly linked to real world currency via the buying and selling of so called PLEX inside and outside of the game.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but even CCP says items in game have no real world value.    Plus, everything in game is owned by CCP...go read the EULA.   You as a player own nothing in game.

PS: As for your deflecting questions. It also does not matter what other people have done before or after this. It does not matter what viewpoints someone has or what CCP thinks. No one is dismissing anything or has hurt feelings. It's irrelevant to the fact that what was done is wrong.

The only wrong that was done was a player(the guy that got scammed) broke EVE Online's EULA when he went into a rage and started tossing racial slurs around, threatening people with harm, and threatening peoples family members with harm   Those "are" clear violations of EVE's EULA.  

 

Let me know when you have any real counter arguments and stop being delusional.

I never used the word torture for example so get your act together and snap out of it!

Yes, we do not hold people accountable for their actions if they are the victims of abuse or other psychological mistreatment. This is standard procedure in spouse abuse cases where the victim usually protects the abuser. There is NO EXCUSE for hitting your spouse it is simply assault.

You however desperately keep trying to find excuses for the assault on this person and his family by a sociopath and his friends. There is something wrong with you if you can not understand that simple concept.

I will ignore all the rest of your strawman arguments, deflections and feeble attempt at blaming the victim because frankly i am getting tired to explain this.

You claim a strawman argument after you say something is wrong with him based on your own subjective opinion... let me put it to you this way: The only person wrong here is the one claiming idiocies when both the "victim" and the "sociopath" say otherwise.

It does not matter if the victim says he was fine with the abuse. It's still abuse, it is still defamation and it is still wrong.

It's quite clear you are refusing to understand although i am pretty sure you know exactly what i mean and you know exactly that what was done was wrong. Admitting you are wrong does not make you look weak, it's the opposite.

Then you must be an extremely weak person to keep this up... the "victim" has no relationship to the "sociopath" beyond playing the same game, not the same circles, not the same area of interest, never even met in real life so you keep pushing to claim that somehow the "victim" is wrong in pretty much stating that what you claim to be abuse is nothing of the sort. This isn't cyberbullying or anything even remotely close but you keep trying to make a case out of thin air to not have to admit you are catastrophically wrong in this case almost as bad as the OP who openly admits wanting to bodily harm the "sociopath" for things which while somewhat morally reprehensible aren't that uncommon or that out of place in the world we live in ( you think 2-3 hours of that sort of stuff is bad? take a look at what you would likely call systemic torture of teenagers at the hands of their own peers during high-school ).

  sketocafe

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4/03/14 6:45:37 AM#256
Good thing these assholes are an outlier and the community in general finds this shit disgusting.
  taus01

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4/03/14 6:48:04 AM#257
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by taus01

 

Let me know when you have any real counter arguments and stop being delusional.

I never used the word torture for example so get your act together and snap out of it!

Yes, we do not hold people accountable for their actions if they are the victims of abuse or other psychological mistreatment. This is standard procedure in spouse abuse cases where the victim usually protects the abuser. There is NO EXCUSE for hitting your spouse it is simply assault.

You however desperately keep trying to find excuses for the assault on this person and his family by a sociopath and his friends. There is something wrong with you if you can not understand that simple concept.

I will ignore all the rest of your strawman arguments, deflections and feeble attempt at blaming the victim because frankly i am getting tired to explain this.

You claim a strawman argument after you say something is wrong with him based on your own subjective opinion... let me put it to you this way: The only person wrong here is the one claiming idiocies when both the "victim" and the "sociopath" say otherwise.

It does not matter if the victim says he was fine with the abuse. It's still abuse, it is still defamation and it is still wrong.

It's quite clear you are refusing to understand although i am pretty sure you know exactly what i mean and you know exactly that what was done was wrong. Admitting you are wrong does not make you look weak, it's the opposite.

Then you must be an extremely weak person to keep this up... the "victim" has no relationship to the "sociopath" beyond playing the same game, not the same circles, not the same area of interest, never even met in real life so you keep pushing to claim that somehow the "victim" is wrong in pretty much stating that what you claim to be abuse is nothing of the sort. This isn't cyberbullying or anything even remotely close but you keep trying to make a case out of thin air to not have to admit you are catastrophically wrong in this case almost as bad as the OP who openly admits wanting to bodily harm the "sociopath" for things which while somewhat morally reprehensible aren't that uncommon or that out of place in the world we live in ( you think 2-3 hours of that sort of stuff is bad? take a look at what you would likely call systemic torture of teenagers at the hands of their own peers during high-school ).

It does not matter if they have a relationship. People get abused by people they never met, i bet that is a concept you also don't understand.

So you are saying that it is fine because there are worse things happening during high-school?

You straw man me again with the OP. I am not the OP and i don't care what he does or says, it does not invalidate my argument no matter how much you wish it would.

I have nothing further to say to you because you clearly have no capacity for rational thought. I am tired of this conversation so this is my last reply. Feel free to have the last word. I could not care less.

Have a nice day.

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  User Deleted
4/03/14 6:58:12 AM#258
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by taus01

 

Let me know when you have any real counter arguments and stop being delusional.

I never used the word torture for example so get your act together and snap out of it!

Yes, we do not hold people accountable for their actions if they are the victims of abuse or other psychological mistreatment. This is standard procedure in spouse abuse cases where the victim usually protects the abuser. There is NO EXCUSE for hitting your spouse it is simply assault.

You however desperately keep trying to find excuses for the assault on this person and his family by a sociopath and his friends. There is something wrong with you if you can not understand that simple concept.

I will ignore all the rest of your strawman arguments, deflections and feeble attempt at blaming the victim because frankly i am getting tired to explain this.

You claim a strawman argument after you say something is wrong with him based on your own subjective opinion... let me put it to you this way: The only person wrong here is the one claiming idiocies when both the "victim" and the "sociopath" say otherwise.

It does not matter if the victim says he was fine with the abuse. It's still abuse, it is still defamation and it is still wrong.

It's quite clear you are refusing to understand although i am pretty sure you know exactly what i mean and you know exactly that what was done was wrong. Admitting you are wrong does not make you look weak, it's the opposite.

Then you must be an extremely weak person to keep this up... the "victim" has no relationship to the "sociopath" beyond playing the same game, not the same circles, not the same area of interest, never even met in real life so you keep pushing to claim that somehow the "victim" is wrong in pretty much stating that what you claim to be abuse is nothing of the sort. This isn't cyberbullying or anything even remotely close but you keep trying to make a case out of thin air to not have to admit you are catastrophically wrong in this case almost as bad as the OP who openly admits wanting to bodily harm the "sociopath" for things which while somewhat morally reprehensible aren't that uncommon or that out of place in the world we live in ( you think 2-3 hours of that sort of stuff is bad? take a look at what you would likely call systemic torture of teenagers at the hands of their own peers during high-school ).

It does not matter if they have a relationship. People get abused by people they never met, i bet that is a concept you also don't understand.

So you are saying that it is fine because there are worse things happening during high-school?

You straw man me again with the OP. I am not the OP and i don't care what he does or says, it does not invalidate my argument no matter how much you wish it would.

I have nothing further to say to you because you clearly have no capacity for rational thought. I am tired of this conversation so this is my last reply. Feel free to have the last word. I could not care less.

Have a nice day.

I think you should look up the term "rational" on your way out because you prove nothing other than a lack of comprehension to the situation. The situation can best be likened to how high-school sports enthusiasts pick on those with significantly less physical prowess by mercilessly pointing out their flaws but unlike that situation the one in EVE is A) non-damaging to both parties in any significant way ( you think someone from EVE or any other game will care about this recording in 2-3 months? this without keeping into mind the fact that the "victim" has come forward and admitted his part in the events which will likely lead to no one even remembering him in a negative light due to this event ) and B) was not and never will be on the same level.

Now if you want to continue claiming your opinion is anything other than a subjective mess based on your own feelings towards what you heard in the audio recording it is ok but I strongly advise you not to look into actual cyberbulling incidents because someone so sensitive may actually wretch from those (one thing to mock someone's disability and completely another to demolish their sense of being utterly, you need to learn the difference between them and see who is a victim and who was just made a fool of and learned from the experience).

  Elsabolts

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4/03/14 7:01:54 AM#259
You think the NSA spying on your cell phone is bad. The Foggy bottom boys love this game.
  BizkitNL

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4/03/14 7:14:29 AM#260

Why am I seeing a guy trying to rationalize what happened and even pointing a finger at the guy sucked into this scam?

Are you kidding me?

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