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  jestahr

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OP  3/29/14 3:49:06 PM#1

My face when I was greeted by a "POWERED BY HERO ENGINE" splash screen while installing the launch client.

For those unaware, Hero is the same engine that powers SWTOR. The funny thing is ZOS made a big fuss that Hero Engine was only used for early testing, and that they had built their own engine for the full release. Apparently that was just damage control to distance the game from SWTOR whilst that ship was sinking in 2012/2013.

So now it makes perfect sense why they have no plans for speech bubbles, they cripple the performance of the fragile Hero engine as was evident in SWTOR when they removed them completely in early beta never to be seen again.

I wonder what other suprises are in store. Perhaps they will follow SWTOR's F2P within a year business model too.

  Thane

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3/29/14 3:50:57 PM#2

yea, but hey took that engine, held it captive in their basement, and did some total nasty stuff to it.

after such an experience, engines change.

 

believe me, this is totaly not SWTOR (not that i didnt like or played SWTOR... but ESO is not)

"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"

  baphamet

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3/29/14 3:51:12 PM#3

no it doesn't, this has been disproved here several times already.

  User Deleted
3/29/14 3:52:39 PM#4
I am confused. I remember the devs talking about their own engine. Perhaps they are using a hybrid engine or something?
  jestahr

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OP  3/29/14 3:52:58 PM#5
Originally posted by baphamet

no it doesn't, this has been disproved here several times already.

Hope you're correct. Why on earth would they keep the splash screen "POWERED BY HERO ENGINE" then? Sorry but it's clear they bought a license and modified the Hero Engine, otherwise they would have no obligation to advertise the fact it's powered on Hero would they?

  M0rbid

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3/29/14 3:56:29 PM#6
What has been disproved exactly? Are you saying that ESO does not use the Hero Engine? Or are you saying the Hero Engine doesn't become crippled when adding chat bubbles?

Would love to see your sources as most people know both of those statements are true.
  baphamet

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3/29/14 3:59:27 PM#7


Originally posted by jestahr

Originally posted by baphamet no it doesn't, this has been disproved here several times already.
Hope you're correct. Why on earth would they keep the splash screen "POWERED BY HERO ENGINE" then? Sorry but it's clear they bought a license and modified the Hero Engine, otherwise they would have no obligation to advertise the fact it's powered on Hero would they?

"We started ZeniMax Online from scratch, with no employees and no technology. We had to build everything ourselves. It takes a long time to write game engines, especially MMO engines, which are inherently more complicated than typical single-player ones. So, we decided to license the HeroEngine to give us a headstart. It was a useful tool for us to use to prototype areas and game design concepts, and it provided us the ability to get art into the game that was visible, so we could work on the game’s art style. Our plan is for ESO to be a world class MMO, with the most advanced social features found in any MMO to date – so while we were prototyping the game on HeroEngine, we were simultaneously developing our own client, server, and messaging layer that were specifically designed with ESO in mind. Think of HeroEngine as a whiteboard for us – a great tool to get some ideas in the game and start looking at them while the production engine was in development. "

-Matt Firor


http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/25/why-the-elder-scrolls-online-isn-39-t-using-heroengine.aspx?fb_ref=.T7_qxmabB4c.like&fb_source=home_oneline

  jacktors

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3/29/14 4:00:06 PM#8

What is the difference? The game graphics are beautiful. Either you are going to enjoy this type of MMO, or it will not be your cup of tea.  If not, there are so many more Free to play or subscription MMorpg's out there to choose from. From my time in beta, the game engine worked fantastic.  The only problems I saw was quest bugs.  I am optimistic that Zenimax will have them fixed by release.  

But to compare this game to SWToR, is rediculous.  

  bcbully

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3/29/14 4:02:05 PM#9
Good for Hero. swtor almost killed them. Hero now seems like one of the better engines on the market.

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  baphamet

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3/29/14 4:02:11 PM#10


Originally posted by M0rbid
What has been disproved exactly? Are you saying that ESO does not use the Hero Engine? Or are you saying the Hero Engine doesn't become crippled when adding chat bubbles?Would love to see your sources as most people know both of those statements are true.

it doesn't use it, read the quote in my previous post.

  M0rbid

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3/29/14 4:04:49 PM#11
@baphamet

So they made the game using Hero Engine whilst making their own client/server tech. But the engine is definitely Hero Engine. Thanks for confirming.

  Mpfive

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3/29/14 4:05:32 PM#12
Who cares, just enjoy the bloody game, it's the eve of the launch and people still find things to cry about
  udon

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3/29/14 4:05:34 PM#13
Originally posted by jacktors

What is the difference? The game graphics are beautiful. Either you are going to enjoy this type of MMO, or it will not be your cup of tea.  If not, there are so many more Free to play or subscription MMorpg's out there to choose from. From my time in beta, the game engine worked fantastic.  The only problems I saw was quest bugs.  I am optimistic that Zenimax will have them fixed by release.  

But to compare this game to SWToR, is rediculous.  

My feeling's exactly.  Really if the Hero engine is used in both SWTOR and ESO it shows a engine with incredible flexibility as both those games look, feel and play completely different.  I'm not sure you could make two theme park MMO's that are more different than ESO and SWTOR.

  Arndush

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3/29/14 4:06:59 PM#14

This again? Try reading this http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/25/why-the-elder-scrolls-online-isn-39-t-using-heroengine.aspx

"6so while we were prototyping the game on HeroEngine, we were simultaneously developing our own client, server, and messaging layer that were specifically designed with ESO in mind. Think of HeroEngine as a whiteboard for us – a great tool to get some ideas in the game and start looking at them while the production engine was in development."

This article was from 2012. There is so much misinformation because people who know nothing about the game keep yapping about it. Not directing this at you OP, but instead at the people providing you with the misinformation.

  baphamet

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3/29/14 4:08:16 PM#15


Originally posted by M0rbid
@baphametSo they made the game using Hero Engine whilst making their own client/server tech. But the engine is definitely Hero Engine. Thanks for confirming.

if that's what you got from that quote, i suggest you read it again, this time take off the troll glasses first.

  fascism

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3/29/14 4:09:08 PM#16
Whats wrong with the Hero Engine? SWTOR was pretty shitty a year ago but I played it the other day and it was running great for me.
  DewBaah

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3/29/14 4:10:08 PM#17
The Hero engine is deffinitly there some where most likely totally modified but they would not put up as a splash screen unless it was indeed in use.
  M0rbid

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3/29/14 4:11:09 PM#18
Lol...yeah we didnt use the hero engine...we promise.

From the company that promised full addon support, no pay gated content and DEFINITELY no cash shop selling in game items.

/golfclap
  M0rbid

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3/29/14 4:12:26 PM#19
And also...if the game does not use Hero Engine they would not be contractually obliged to display it on the splash screen either.

Do you have a pre prepared marketing quote to get around that fact too?
  DMKano

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3/29/14 4:12:31 PM#20
Originally posted by fascism
Whats wrong with the Hero Engine? SWTOR was pretty shitty a year ago but I played it the other day and it was running great for me.

Swtor used a very early unfinished version, the way hero engine is today is light years ahead.

Either way, Teso was prototyped using Hero engine, its not being used anymore.

 

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