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  Reklaw

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3/27/14 6:04:53 PM#21

Interesting question.

To explain myself. Example: When I step into the world of TwoWorld 2, Fall Out 3, Skyrim as the most current I consider I stepped into a RPG game where I can mold my character. As some say exploration isn't a part of RPG personaly to me it's what makes a RPG. With explorations comes discovery, discovery's lead to found or new mystery's. Overall a RPG has a certain grade of freedom with your nameless character that might become known in that gameworld.

I also enjoy Action RPG's like Mass Effect, Star Wars the Old Republic, The Witcher, Dragon Age, Bioshock series. But here you already a somebody and you take jst the role of that person with minimal choices.

Seems The Witcher is going to be allot more open then ever before but still will lack the character freedom to be who you want. But definitly looking forward to the new Witcher game.

Can't really consider games like Lara Croft, Batman, Max Payne and sorts to be RPG. They are atleast to me just action games. Sure there is some character developement. We alway's had that in those games it's just more fleshed out due to technology being able to produce that.

I might just have certain expectations when it comes to game genre's. I still have fun with games that might not match my excact criteria of game genre.

 

  Enrif

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3/27/14 6:23:40 PM#22

The one and only determiner of a RPG is, in my opinion, Choice.

Any game where you are on rails, moving from zone to zone, without the choice to go back is not an RPG. 

As Example, the Uncharted-Series. Its a great game, but you move from zone to zone and you can't go back. You can replay the zone to be better at it or to find stuff. but basicly you only reset the zone and start the Story all over. On the other side you have games like Dark Souls. You can anytime go back to a zone you already visited but its not a replay, because you already altered the Story of the Zone.

other examples

Dishonored, DMC, The Last of Us. all this games are not RPGs in my opinion

Borderlands, Dark Souls, Fable, Final Fantasy are RPGs in my opinion

  Axxar

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3/28/14 10:31:03 AM#23

It takes much more than skill improvements to move a game's category from "FPS" to "RPG." Most games have aspects from other types of games, but it really comes down to the game's core design. WarCraft 3 is an RTS and not and RPG even though heroes can level up. Skyrim is still an RPG and not an FPS even though you can shoot people in first person.

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  BillMurphy

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3/28/14 10:34:01 AM#24

For my part as Editor, we're trying to stick to games that actually consider themselves RPGs, officially.  So even though something like Infamous: Second Son has a lot of RPG elements, we won't list it because it's not being considered an RPG.  Same with the recent Batman Games, or even Zelda, which most won't consider an RPG even if Nintendo says it is.

We're trying to walk a finer line with RPGs than we have with MMOs.

  Holophonist

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3/28/14 11:03:42 AM#25
Originally posted by Flyte27
I'm not sure you can classify any games today as RPG.  They have all mixed together into one build.  RPGs used to be about textual dialogue, story, exploring, and turn based combat.   FPS were generally just about killing things.  Now FPS and RPG and combined together to form an interactive movie like experience with character building.  It's not better or worse, but it's easier to get into just like it's easier to watch a movie then read a book.  I like that in games today I don't have to expend much effort to play the game usually since everything has audio dialogue and there is no turn based combat.  On the flip side I think you also lose something that you got form games that were either interactive books or just games of exploration like Dark Souls.  I actually would like there to be more games like Dark Souls.

 

I think it's safe to say that simpler and less immersive are bad things. Sure some people may prefer them, but I'm of the opinion that not all preferences are created equal. Some people may prefer an easier to get into experience at the cost of a reduced amount of satisfaction and enjoyment, but it IS at that cost. It's kind of like saying Ferrari isn't a better car than a used honda because the Ferrari costs more.
  Scorchien

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3/28/14 11:26:12 AM#26
Originally posted by nariusseldon

It seems that this site was talking about expanding to non-MMO RPG coverage. I figure i will kick it off by discussing RPGs.

Note the frequent debate here about what is a MMO .. i figure it will be fun to do the same for video game RPGs.

A skill-based progression element is in many shooters and action adventure including, but not limited to, Call to Juarez, Dishonored, Tomb Raider, Thief, ... and many even have improvable gear (like Tomb Raider, or Splinter Cells).

Now are these RPGs? Let's the debate begin!

There is no debate here ... dont confuse role-playing..........with playing a role... They are very different .. None of the games listed are RPGs

     

  Sovrath

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3/28/14 11:35:55 AM#27
Originally posted by Scalpless

It depends on the prominence of the game's RP elements. First of all, role-playing isn't just getting a character and playing through the story. The term implies you get to influence the story somehow. That's why Deus Ex and Mass Effect are RPGs while the 2013 Tomb Raider isn't.

Then, there's the overall gameplay focus. Dishonored has a (barely, but it's still there) branching storyline and some character development, but it's a stealth action game. Its focus is on sneaking around or fighting, not on developing your character.

And lastly, the thing about character development. It's a part of any story, but in RPGs you get to influence it. Elizabeth and Booker develop a lot in Bioshock Infinite, but it's out of your control, so it's not a part of gameplay.

Basically, characters play roles in all stories, but the player gets to play with those roles in a role-playing game.

Though that would mean the elder scrolls games aren't role play games.

It's a shame but you can't influence the story with the exception of a handful of quests strewn across the series and none of the main or guild quests.

The only thing you can do is step outside all of those stories and imagine your own motivations or even forgo those quests.

  crack_fox

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3/28/14 5:41:27 PM#28
Originally posted by BillMurphy

For my part as Editor, we're trying to stick to games that actually consider themselves RPGs, officially... Same with ... Zelda, which most won't consider an RPG even if Nintendo says it is.

We're trying to walk a finer line with RPGs than we have with MMOs.

It's your fine line so it's your call, but it seems a little arbitrary. If Nintendo considers Zelda to be an RPG (officially) what is it about that title that leads you to exclude it?  (Genuine question - I haven't played a Zelda game since the heyday of the N64 and I don't recall much about it).

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