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  Stupersting

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OP  3/28/14 3:17:57 PM#1

Hey, since theres always a big discussion around how mmos are too quick to finish these days, I think having a poll display the results would be a good idea.

 

Feel free to discuss/explain your position in a post.

End game or journey?

I would like to reach end game fast, and have the majority of gameplay at end game.
I am ok with a small amount of time taken to reach end game, but would like most gameplay to be at endgame.
I would like equal effort/content for journey and end game.
I would like the journey to take a very long time and have the majority of the gameplay/content, but an endgame should be there for those who reach it
I would like the entire game to be a journey with no end game.
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  Cephus404

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3/28/14 5:13:19 PM#2
I don't play endgame ever.  When my character reaches maximum level, it gets retired and I either start another character or move on to a different game.  There is nothing whatsoever in endgame that I have any interest in doing.  I detest PvP with a passion, I will not raid and I will not grind for gear.  Once progression is over, my interest in the game is over too.

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  deniter

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3/28/14 5:18:00 PM#3
Originally posted by Cephus404
I don't play endgame ever.  When my character reaches maximum level, it gets retired and I either start another character or move on to a different game.  There is nothing whatsoever in endgame that I have any interest in doing.  I detest PvP with a passion, I will not raid and I will not grind for gear.  Once progression is over, my interest in the game is over too.

+1.

I just hope the journey lasts as long as possible if the game is good. As long as there's progression, i keep playing. When it's over, i either reroll or quit playing.

  Robokapp

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3/28/14 5:27:19 PM#4

I'm an endgame raider. if gameplay can offer raiding pre-endgame but in a way that's not cheesed by out-leveling content, (scaling???) then i'd be all in favor of ultra-long trips to endgame but basically I am in this position:

 

I like gear grinds and large-scale raiding challenges.

I hate cheesing said things by out-leveling, associated out-gearing, abilities unavailable at intended level, runthroughs and so on.

 

the only place content can't be out-leveled is at endgame.

Until someone designs a better system...I have to stick to endgame.

 

 

  crack_fox

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3/28/14 5:29:36 PM#5
I would prefer the game to end or to be cyclical like ATiTD. I don't care much for the sort of activities that constitute 'end-game'. Nor do I really want a journey that never ends. 
  sunandshadow

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Posts: 725

3/28/14 5:52:40 PM#6

The pace of MMOs is too uneven, in my opinion.  They are too fast at the first 10 or 15 levels, and too slow past the midpoint in the level curve.

As far as endgame, a lot of sandbox content can be left up to the player whether to do it in between levels or after they are done leveling.  Minigames, mount racing, card games against other players, leveling crafting, are all things that can happen independent of the player's combat level.

  severius

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3/28/14 5:55:30 PM#7
Originally posted by Cephus404
I don't play endgame ever.  When my character reaches maximum level, it gets retired and I either start another character or move on to a different game.  There is nothing whatsoever in endgame that I have any interest in doing.  I detest PvP with a passion, I will not raid and I will not grind for gear.  Once progression is over, my interest in the game is over too.

Ditto.  I am actually finding far more enjoyment from the plethora of roguelikes out there as those are games that you can play nearly for ever.  Now, if only I could find the Star Trek game I played back in the early 80's.....


  Raxxo82

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3/28/14 6:07:58 PM#8
I want a loooong way to go to get to endgame. Then I want an endgame that doesnt end... edit: I likes the grind

  StonesDK

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3/28/14 6:17:14 PM#9
Polls like these never represent what the majority wants. Just the passionate vocal minority, more likely to vote in these polls to begin with.
  nariusseldon

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3/28/14 6:34:21 PM#10
Originally posted by StonesDK
Polls like these never represent what the majority wants. Just the passionate vocal minority, more likely to vote in these polls to begin with.

Yeh .. the majority don't even care that much about MMOs .. .there are so many other types of games to play.

 

  IGaveUp

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Joined: 6/09/08
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I can't pull it off. I gave up.

3/28/14 6:38:56 PM#11

My endgame is crafting, exploring, and helping others level.

 

  deniter

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3/28/14 6:47:23 PM#12
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by StonesDK
Polls like these never represent what the majority wants. Just the passionate vocal minority, more likely to vote in these polls to begin with.

Yeh .. the majority don't even care that much about MMOs .. .there are so many other types of games to play.

 

That's true, there's no MMOs on top 10 best selling computer games in 2013, not even one. Also, there's no MMOs on top 36 best selling computer games all time.

Using that logic, MMOs shouldn't even exist because majority don't like them..

  nariusseldon

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3/28/14 6:55:15 PM#13
Originally posted by RealmLordsKen

My endgame is crafting, exploring, and helping others level.

 

My endgame is moving on to a new game.

I thought people like to interpret labels literally ... if MMO has to be massive, doesn't endgame has to "end"?

  StonesDK

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3/28/14 6:57:04 PM#14
Originally posted by deniter
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by StonesDK
Polls like these never represent what the majority wants. Just the passionate vocal minority, more likely to vote in these polls to begin with.

Yeh .. the majority don't even care that much about MMOs .. .there are so many other types of games to play.

 

That's true, there's no MMOs on top 10 best selling computer games in 2013, not even one. Also, there's no MMOs on top 36 best selling computer games all time.

Using that logic, MMOs shouldn't even exist because majority don't like them..

We are still on a MMO site right? Talking about MMO's and people who play them?

 

Just making sure I'm not replying to the village idiots, two stupider brothers.

  Flyte27

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3/28/14 7:11:34 PM#15

I believe it comes down to the type of game you want.  EQ may have been a bit to grindy at times for the majority of people and to Pen and Paper like in terms of classes and rules. 

I think Ultima Online might have been on the right path.  Have no levels and skills that can always go up.  I think there was a cap on the total skill points and when you passed that cap one of your other skills would go down to compensate.  This allowed you to always evolve.  There were many different things you could do in game like craft, go exploring to find places and kill monster, build houses, theft via pickpocket or PvP, etc. 

Maybe the games shouldn't be about leveling, but trying to create a world where people can jump in and do everyday tasks in a fantasy world.  If they don't want do everyday tasks they can still go and kill things for loot.  Items would eventually break making crafting worthwhile and give crafters something to do.  I am not a big crafting fan myself, but some people like it.

Raid type content could be there for people who enjoy that, but I wouldn't make it the main focus of the game.

I feel perhaps games should stop focusing so much on loot and leveling.  Those were a means to an end, but no that's all the games are about.  They were supposed to convey a sense of progression, but they have become the sole focus in MMOs.  There needs to be other things to do then just leveling, killing, and looting.  I would like to see more RPG elements in games.

  nariusseldon

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Posts: 20555

3/28/14 7:39:18 PM#16
Originally posted by StonesDK
Originally posted by deniter
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by StonesDK
Polls like these never represent what the majority wants. Just the passionate vocal minority, more likely to vote in these polls to begin with.

Yeh .. the majority don't even care that much about MMOs .. .there are so many other types of games to play.

 

That's true, there's no MMOs on top 10 best selling computer games in 2013, not even one. Also, there's no MMOs on top 36 best selling computer games all time.

Using that logic, MMOs shouldn't even exist because majority don't like them..

We are still on a MMO site right? Talking about MMO's and people who play them?

 

1) MMORPG is broadening their coverage to include non-MMO

2) We don't have to only talk about MMOs and the people who play them. Talking about people who don't play them is fair game since it is related to MMOs. You didn't read all those who are disgusted with MMO here, and currently are not playing one?

 

  nariusseldon

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3/28/14 7:41:18 PM#17
Originally posted by Flyte27

I feel perhaps games should stop focusing so much on loot and leveling.  Those were a means to an end, but no that's all the games are about.  They were supposed to convey a sense of progression, but they have become the sole focus in MMOs.  There needs to be other things to do then just leveling, killing, and looting.  I would like to see more RPG elements in games.

Diablo shows that there is a huge market for focusing solely on loot & combat.

Surely not all games need to do that ... but it is also not necessarily to unfocus every game from that.

 

  Dauntis

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3/28/14 7:52:07 PM#18

It should take a year to progress, crafting should be in real time + years to create something magical. Monsters shouldn't respawn, once the limited troops of evil are culled you are SOL there is no more experience to gain until a new evil arises a few years later (it takes time to amass evil armies), but by then your characters age progression would kill them off. Dungeons can only be explored once and they are non instanced so literally can only be done once. Even the best players are lucky to reach level 3.

 

Would this be hardcore enough for the mmo's aren't hard enough crowd?

I would like to give an opinion on this post, but if I agree I will offend people who disagree. While if I disagree my comment will be seen as inflammatory. Either way I will get banned by this site full of the most delicate flowers in online gaming. Ban people for giving honest opinions... beautiful. Unfortunately I still like the articles.

  StonesDK

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3/28/14 7:52:16 PM#19
Nevermind
  Saroth

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3/28/14 8:03:22 PM#20

How about lot's of endgame and an achievement system instead of levels with skill based combat. I think that would be ok. No levels, no problem!

Currently playing:World of Warcraft, Planetside 2.

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