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  Man_of_Leisure

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3/24/14 11:49:04 PM#41
Originally posted by Stiler
Originally posted by Desetes
I don't see this game lasting more than a few months, much like every other MMO that comes out these days. PVP isn't end-game content, if people wanted to PVP they'd play BF4, LoL, Chivalry, etc. No one is going to pay $15 a month to PVP when so many free games exist. The reason why WoW has lasted is because of the hardcore raiding endgame.

Most players do NOT raid, only a minority of players actually raid.

 

You would be surprised at how many players just play WoW to level up and play solo/explore, make alts and do it again.

 

Raiding has never been the "mainstream" thing to do, but for some reason so many MMO's have got it in their head that end game = raiding, when most players actually do not like nor want to do it.

This is probably because 'raiding' is the only group content left. You can solo most mmos to max level, which is what the soloing crowd wants, so they don't complain. And as long as people can rush to max-level and find group content there, they deal with it as well.

 

Personally I find pve raiding to be very boring, but I love to organized pvp in groups, so pvp 'raiding' if you will.

  Dibdabs

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3/25/14 5:28:07 AM#42
Raiding is the last refuge of the uninspired, for people who will happily ride the hamster-wheel of tedious repetition month after month.  I'm really glad to see a game that doesn't feature raiding.
  Scot

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3/25/14 6:01:51 AM#43
End game is the death knell of MMOs. Anything you can have that yields solid gameplay is a must. A raiding/faction war mix would be ideal. Making end game rely on fewer types of gameplay does not bode well.
  Arthasm

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3/25/14 10:29:01 AM#44
No doubt why we later have threads why MMOs are so easy today... Zerg, rush, spam button 1...
  LisaFlexy22

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3/25/14 10:53:48 AM#45
Originally posted by Desetes
I don't see this game lasting more than a few months, much like every other MMO that comes out these days. PVP isn't end-game content, if people wanted to PVP they'd play BF4, LoL, Chivalry, etc. No one is going to pay $15 a month to PVP when so many free games exist. The reason why WoW has lasted is because of the hardcore raiding endgame.

Sure it is.  About 10% maximum of an mmo player base are hardcore raiders.

  Aeonblades

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3/25/14 11:00:42 AM#46
Originally posted by Desetes
I don't see this game lasting more than a few months, much like every other MMO that comes out these days. PVP isn't end-game content, if people wanted to PVP they'd play BF4, LoL, Chivalry, etc. No one is going to pay $15 a month to PVP when so many free games exist. The reason why WoW has lasted is because of the hardcore raiding endgame.

5 million people that have left WoW over the last 3 years disagree with the hardcore raiding principle you have set. They only recently stabalized around 7 million subs because of LFR and other advancements.

 

Personally, I'm done with raiding. I have been raiding since 2001 in EQ and I can honestly say I'm tired of having to pull 20-40 people together to get something done. Raiding content isn't harder content wise, It's harder because off all the people you have to organize and control. Especially now that communities don't really exist beyond guilds in an MMORPG.

 

Give me challenging one group, duo, or solo content any day over another raid based MMO that is more of the same. As I said, 5 million people disagree with you about raiding being necessary to keep players in a game. GW2 disagrees as well, even though a lot of the lower tier servers are having population issues now, the more populated servers are doing just fine without traditional raids.

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  LisaFlexy22

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3/25/14 11:00:47 AM#47
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by Margulis
Originally posted by Desetes
I don't see this game lasting more than a few months, much like every other MMO that comes out these days. PVP isn't end-game content, if people wanted to PVP they'd play BF4, LoL, Chivalry, etc. No one is going to pay $15 a month to PVP when so many free games exist. The reason why WoW has lasted is because of the hardcore raiding endgame.

What percentage of wow's population have they said are hardcore raiders?  5-10%?   Oh yes, it definitely is because of the raiding people have stayed.

What percentage of athletes have ever won olympic gold medal?

It does not mean that if they cant never make it that they are not trying to achieve their goals.

Its perfect endgame scenario since most of the people cant even touch it but they do want to.

 

Your argument doesn't even work.  The point is a very small portion of an mmo player base even engages in the activity or cares to - it isn't about if they succeed (gold medal) or not.  It may be a perfect scenario for YOU but that doesn't mean it is for everyone else, and clearly percentages show it isn't for most.

 

Having said that - it doesn't even matter since the first content update is the adventure zone Craglorn anyway so there you go.  An entire zone filled with dungeons, trials, quests, etc all for a raiding group.

 

http://esohead.com/zones/603-craglorn

  Thane

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3/25/14 11:07:55 AM#48

well, face it.

there are enough "raidgames" out there already. 

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