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  DeniZg

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Joined: 1/29/12
Posts: 507

3/20/14 3:31:54 PM#21
Originally posted by VeryDusty
Originally posted by GregorMcgregor
Think they'll add a Trinity trait line? People would maybe return then.

I hope they NEVER do that - period.  If they put that in I know many current players would leave.

The way I read it from Dev blog, new master traits will allow your Elementalist to heal a lot more, your Guardian to have more health etc. Maybe it's not trinity that we know from other MMO games like WoW, but it's pretty damn close.

Also, I'm not sure why would these changes bring people back? It's not like people left because they had to buy books to respec traits, while everything else was just perfect.

Give us Xpac with new zones/continents and classes and I will come back for sure.

  VeryDusty

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Joined: 11/21/12
Posts: 54

3/20/14 3:37:44 PM#22
Originally posted by DeniZg
Originally posted by VeryDusty
Originally posted by GregorMcgregor
Think they'll add a Trinity trait line? People would maybe return then.

I hope they NEVER do that - period.  If they put that in I know many current players would leave.

The way I read it from Dev blog, new master traits will allow your Elementalist to heal a lot more, your Guardian to have more health etc. Maybe it's not trinity that we know from other MMO games like WoW, but it's pretty damn close.

Also, I'm not sure why would these changes bring people back? It's not like people left because they had to buy books to respec traits, while everything else was just perfect.

Give us Xpac with new zones/continents and classes and I will come back for sure.

Because they are changing the way you also get your traits. Like in GW1, you will have to hunt for them.

 

Not close at all - remember - unlike some games, in GW2 and GW1, there is NO uber build - each build has a weakness that can be used against them. In WoW, Rift, ETC. TANKS either absorbed or mitigated damage, not so in GW2. There will still be no full up just TANK spec for any boss.

  Eir_S

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Joined: 8/07/11
Posts: 4700

GW2 socialist.

3/20/14 4:56:51 PM#23
Originally posted by VeryDusty
Originally posted by GregorMcgregor
Think they'll add a Trinity trait line? People would maybe return then.

I hope they NEVER do that - period.  If they put that in I know many current players would leave.

More would probably leave than return, honestly.  Guardians having more health, etc. are nothing like being able to taunt or completely ignore damage for seconds at a time (ie: you cannot "tank" in GW2 because the game isn't designed that way), so it isn't going to happen regardless.. but GW2's differences are its strongest feature, I don't think they'd see a surge in users if they started trying to mimic everyone else.  Let Trinity games use the Trinity.

  drtack1

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Joined: 12/20/10
Posts: 239

3/20/14 5:08:28 PM#24

Wow, seems like all classes are getitng some cool traits here........except my main the engi.............seriously a defensive bubble around my supply crate and healing turret? My healing turret stays on the ground long enough for water field and then is exploded so doesnt mean anything to me. 

 

Ugh I hope the dont totally screw my engi.

  kurosenshu

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Joined: 12/21/12
Posts: 41

3/20/14 5:18:17 PM#25

what's even more amazing about this post ?

i'll tell you, 

all the nay sayers have stayed away from this post, let's see how long it takes for them fuckers to come ruin it with their fking negativity.

  Eir_S

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Posts: 4700

GW2 socialist.

3/20/14 6:01:16 PM#26
Originally posted by kurosenshu

what's even more amazing about this post ?

i'll tell you, 

all the nay sayers have stayed away from this post, let's see how long it takes for them fuckers to come ruin it with their fking negativity.

Now, now, don't be a Mr. Baity Pants.  I would hope most people, even those who were disappointed in the "hype" about GW2, have moved on or realized it's actually very well done for what it is.  Of course, that's as much an opinion as a negative one, but I'd rather say good things about the game and the people who AREN'T currently bashing it (you know, them being awesome people and all).

  Xssiv

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Joined: 2/18/10
Posts: 319

3/20/14 6:17:01 PM#27

I do like getting a little reward for each level in the form of a trait point and skill point, however I can certainly deal with the new system since most of my chars are at or close to level cap.

 

What bothers is me is fact that ANet is taking away build options in favor of making idiots more effective:

With this system, spending traits will be much easier for new players to understand. Right now, there is the possibility for someone who doesn’t really know the system to spend 11 trait points in one line and 14 in another and wind up with a less effective build. As an added benefit, the trait panel will be much easier to understand and navigate.

 

And if I want to run 11 points in one line and 14 in another, I should be able to regardless of what's thought to be most effective.

  Omnifish

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Joined: 2/16/11
Posts: 614

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3/20/14 6:31:53 PM#28
Originally posted by DeniZg
Originally posted by VeryDusty
Originally posted by GregorMcgregor
Think they'll add a Trinity trait line? People would maybe return then.

I hope they NEVER do that - period.  If they put that in I know many current players would leave.

The way I read it from Dev blog, new master traits will allow your Elementalist to heal a lot more, your Guardian to have more health etc. Maybe it's not trinity that we know from other MMO games like WoW, but it's pretty damn close.

Also, I'm not sure why would these changes bring people back? It's not like people left because they had to buy books to respec traits, while everything else was just perfect.

Give us Xpac with new zones/continents and classes and I will come back for sure.

Yeah I agree.

Also the way these changes are being sold is very WoWish when they shrunk the talent trees in Cata, ('hey we want these changes to be significant!!! Rather then you feeling empowered!!'), basically there saying players are too dumb to experiment and are really making these changes for their own balancing needs. Seen it before, although being able to change trait choices free is a welcome change.

We'll have to see how the guides work, I have a feeling they'll be expensive, (with the vendor option), enough for some players to consider cashing in gems...there not making these changes without some angle on monetary gain, it's how they make their money.

This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!

  Creslin321

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Joined: 2/27/09
Posts: 5424

3/20/14 6:34:25 PM#29
Originally posted by DeniZg
Originally posted by VeryDusty
Originally posted by GregorMcgregor
Think they'll add a Trinity trait line? People would maybe return then.

I hope they NEVER do that - period.  If they put that in I know many current players would leave.

The way I read it from Dev blog, new master traits will allow your Elementalist to heal a lot more, your Guardian to have more health etc. Maybe it's not trinity that we know from other MMO games like WoW, but it's pretty damn close.

Also, I'm not sure why would these changes bring people back? It's not like people left because they had to buy books to respec traits, while everything else was just perfect.

Give us Xpac with new zones/continents and classes and I will come back for sure.

I think that the trinity is far more dependent on MOB behavior (aggro mechanics) than it is on class abilities.  You could have the best healer and tank in the world, but if the aggro mechanics don't allow the tank to keep aggro, it won't matter because the MOBs will just crush your squishy DPS.

So basically, I don't think that any changes to the classes will make GW2 into a trinity game.

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  Meowhead

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Joined: 1/31/09
Posts: 3728

3/20/14 7:09:22 PM#30
Originally posted by Xssiv

I do like getting a little reward for each level in the form of a trait point and skill point, however I can certainly deal with the new system since most of my chars are at or close to level cap.

 

What bothers is me is fact that ANet is taking away build options in favor of making idiots more effective:

With this system, spending traits will be much easier for new players to understand. Right now, there is the possibility for someone who doesn’t really know the system to spend 11 trait points in one line and 14 in another and wind up with a less effective build. As an added benefit, the trait panel will be much easier to understand and navigate.

 

And if I want to run 11 points in one line and 14 in another, I should be able to regardless of what's thought to be most effective.

This is a case of getting rid of fake complexity, and trading it in for more build options.  40 new grandmaster traits actually creates more build diversity.

The ONLY build diversity they removed is the ability to actually specifically be bad.  There is 0 benefit to having 11 points in one line and 14 in another.  It is, in fact, not a real choice, it's just fake complexity.  It's not like you're sacrificing something good for something not quite as good but benefiting you in a different way, having an unusual amount of points in your trait lines is just silly.  It's like pennies.  Pennies are silly.

I'd rather have the extra traits being added any time.

  Lydon

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/20/06
Posts: 2920

3/21/14 4:27:53 AM#31
Loving the changes! Glad to see the return of some familiar skills from GW1 in the form of traits.

  tom_gore

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/27/09
Posts: 1803

3/21/14 4:35:19 AM#32
Originally posted by Xssiv

And if I want to run 11 points in one line and 14 in another, I should be able to regardless of what's thought to be most effective.

No you shouldn't, because then the other players will need to pick up your slack in dungeons/events/bosses, etc.

Although it's given that a competent player (with the Dodge key actually bound) will still trump an autoattacking ranger any day, with or without optimal builds. This change won't make bad players good players, but it will give them less opportunity to be bad players with gimped builds.

My point is, purposefully building suboptimal builds is stupid and when talking about group content, also selfish. I don't think many players would do that anyhow, but since you brought it up...

 

  loulaki

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Joined: 12/20/11
Posts: 807

3/21/14 8:42:45 AM#33
Originally posted by cinos

It's a good step, no question about that, but I have to admit I was hoping for some way to save our builds like in GW1.

me too, i dont care about 3 silver, but i play my main for one and half year and i created so many builds i would like to be able to save them ...

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