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  davc123

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OP  3/13/14 1:25:58 AM#1

why devs dont like open world pvp ?  almost all new/old games are  with arena pvp

for me is pvp arena boring 

enjoyed a lot of more  with open world pvp (Lineage 2  / A rcheage)

Hope any good game coming soon with open world pvp / pk

  bcbully

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3/13/14 1:36:40 AM#2

They are coming. Everywhere you look, from EQN:L to SotA, people are asking for a in depth pvp experience. ESO will be a hit because of Cyrodiil. Most importantly is the new generation of gamers. They want it. 

 

There is no way you can get a 13 year old kid to sit down and do some quests. Everyone from boys to girls in their generation PvPs. 

 

Until someone can come up with something other than quests, and dungeons for PvE content, the demand for that  stuff will continue fade.

  sunandshadow

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3/13/14 1:59:25 AM#3
For players who don't like PvP, open-world PvP is more intrusive than arena PvP.
  Dr_Shivinski

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3/13/14 2:02:08 AM#4
Originally posted by sunandshadow
For players who don't like PvP, open-world PvP is more intrusive than arena PvP.

If developers would balance the risk/reward systems of open pvp games better then I'm sure the PVP averse wouldn't feel so alienated. There should also be intelligent ways to avoid PVP if you wish. EVE has local chat and directional scanning and if you use the two intelligently you can avoid most ganks. I don't know how a fantasy game would translate these tools but I'm sure they could find a way.

Here Siggy Siggy!

  funyahns

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3/13/14 2:30:11 AM#5
 Because it only takes a handful of idiots to drive off paying customers.
  MMOExposed

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3/13/14 2:43:31 AM#6
Originally posted by funyahns
 Because it only takes a handful of idiots to drive off paying customers.

This sums it up nicely.

 

Puts too much power in the hands of internet trolls that simply want to ruin everybody else's experience, with the shield of the internet to protect them from doing so and getting rewarded to troll.

  maccarthur2004

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3/13/14 2:46:09 AM#7
Because open PVP expose players to lose/defeat, breaking their ilusions of power and strenght that slaughter of dumb/weaker npcs brings. Open PVP demands a little more atention, mental work, training, study of the character and smartness in general, which alienates the majority of mmo players.

"What we are aiming in ArcheAge is to let the players feel the true fun of MMORPG by forming a community like real life by interacting with other players, whether it be conflict or cooperation." (Jake Song)

  Cromica

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3/13/14 2:46:15 AM#8
Originally posted by funyahns
 Because it only takes a handful of idiots to drive off paying customers.

This Exactly.

 

It always ends up being, lets get a couple max level players and go kill people in the starter zones. These people should be banned permanently.

  Wraithone

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If you can't kill it, don't make it mad.

3/13/14 2:49:55 AM#9
Why? One word says it all Goonies... ^^  Because some people get their jollies from ruining the play experience of other people.  That tends not to be good for business in the western markets.
  trix

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3/13/14 3:50:11 AM#10

These games are few and far between and amazing to catch on to early the latest one I have been following and telling many guilds about that I played with and against in shadowbane about this new title which should fill the gap pretty well. It's called albion online or ao www.albiononline.com there is going to be a alpha test on March 24th 2014 which you can sign up for on their site. 

 

Check it out, everything in the game is crafted from materials that need to be gathered from mining resources. There is full loot pvp and your guild can build and siege other peoples cities.

_____________

Darkfall.

-Full loot PvP.
-ONE world, ZERO instances.
-Guild v Guild city sieging.
-No factions limiting PvP, PK
anyone anywhere and take all their items.
-FPS style combat player twitch skill not items!
-No levels a new player can kill a veteran.
-Being developed by gamers who got sick of
playing other peoples retarded mmo's.

www.Darkfallonline.com

  Sk1ppeR

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3/13/14 3:58:05 AM#11

It's because of all assholes that go to zerg low level zones and make a bitter first impression of a game. Open World PvP is ONLY acceptable IF there is consequence in killing a player that does not fight back. The whole need of this meaningless PvP (other than beating up noobs and bragging about it) is because somebody stole your mob and you lost your loot, or you just want to jerk around. Gw2 has it right ... you hit, you loot. Nobody can touch your mining node, neither strip you off of your event effort if you've shown effort. 

 

As someone already said in this forum awhile ago, there is open world PvP in real life too, that doesn't mean you go to hospitals to kill babies. There are laws, and then there's the police that fucks you up if you break the law ESPECIALLY if violent. If a game is to implement such system then I'm all up for it. Nope, EVE Online's police system is not good enough because the game allows you to be 1-shotted rather easily. And that's a load of bullshit. Now if the police was fining you or killing your pod too and not only your cheap ship, that would make them actually viable. The way it is now, large corporation can wreck havok inside Jita, one of the game's largest player hubs  

Idk about you but I don't like feeling paranoid every single step that I make. 

Lineage 2 had awesome pvp because of the flag/karma systems. And the fact that if you aren't stupid nobody can loot your hard-earned items. 

 

Oh and lets be honest, the only reason you enjoy open world pvp is because you can attack unsuspecting foe :) and you hate arenas because people are usually prepared for you and its not that easy for you, admit it :) 

  ikcin

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3/13/14 4:20:37 AM#12
Originally posted by Cromica
Originally posted by funyahns
 Because it only takes a handful of idiots to drive off paying customers.

This Exactly. 

It always ends up being, lets get a couple max level players and go kill people in the starter zones. These people should be banned permanently.

There is a very easy way to avoid gangs, it is called Personal killing penalty. There was no high level gangs in Lineage 2. In fact there was other limitations too, like PvP level gap penalty, so it was impossible high levels to attack low level players.  It depends on devs to make open PvP good experience for all. And in fact it gives more fun than arenas. You can fight for spot, raid boss, loot or in guild wars, so it makes PvP something funny, not like repetitive arena grind. But most casual RPG players who play MMOs are afraid from open world PvP. I know such farmers, they don't like competition and PvP. So there is players for every game. But arenas are really stupid, better devs to make game with no PvP, than such with arenas.

  GoldenArrow

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3/13/14 4:29:58 AM#13

Open world PvP is and has always been open world PK.

Having played enough Lineage 2 I can say that it's always gank or be ganked.

Instanced PvP provides a 'fair fight'.

  Sk1ppeR

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3/13/14 4:34:24 AM#14
Originally posted by ikcin
Originally posted by Cromica
Originally posted by funyahns
 Because it only takes a handful of idiots to drive off paying customers.

This Exactly. 

It always ends up being, lets get a couple max level players and go kill people in the starter zones. These people should be banned permanently.

There is a very easy way to avoid gangs, it is called Personal killing penalty. There was no high level gangs in Lineage 2. In fact there was other limitations too, like PvP level gap penalty, so it was impossible high levels to attack low level players.  It depends on devs to make open PvP good experience for all. And in fact it gives more fun than arenas. You can fight for spot, raid boss, loot or in guild wars, so it makes PvP something funny, not like repetitive arena grind. But most casual RPG players who play MMOs are afraid from open world PvP. I know such farmers, they don't like competition and PvP. So there is players for every game. But arenas are really stupid, better devs to make game with no PvP, than such with arenas.

Oh please cut the private server crap. The only protection you get in L2 is until lvl 5 and even now that's gone. As soon as you go out of Talking island you can be killed by lvl 99. But sure nobody would want to stain their Pk score with lowbies. 

The more I play old school MMOs, the more I find the loot theft an idiotic mechanic. Maybe I'm spoiled by Gw2 idk, but having someone hijack you a raid you've waited for weeks or hit your mob just enough so you would get no loot is just a load of bullshit. Don't tell me I'm wrong. I played this game for 7+ years and it went F2P for a reason. 

  Sk1ppeR

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3/13/14 4:35:32 AM#15
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Open world PvP is and has always been open world PK.

Having played enough Lineage 2 I can say that it's always gank or be ganked.

Instanced PvP provides a 'fair fight'.

Nobody of Open World PvP evangelists wants that. This way they are coming at a prepared opponent. That's not fun to them because there is relatively high chance for them to click "To Village" xD 

Even in Lineage 2 PvP arenas were mostly empty. 

  Mothanos

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3/13/14 4:55:03 AM#16

Looked at ESO soem time ago and it dint seem to be something i liked.....
Last beta i got in and it totaly suprised me, Cyrodill is A W E S O M E

WvW is something that needs to hit the sweetspot and Zenimax just did that.
Dint think i would liked it as GW2 became so boring with zerging empty keeps over and over and over again.....

The big diffrence is that ESO has healers, and i just happen to love healing :)
I have no idea how this will turn out, as all the mmo's i bought past 7 years were all flops or outright awfull waiste of money.
So i might be wrong again, but anything is better then WoW / GW2 atm so ESO might fill that gap of pvp needs :)

EQN i have no clue about....some say its going the path of Eve Online ^^ that would be EPIC !
Wildstar looks more like WoW in regards to 10vs10 and 15vs15 altough fun ! i much rather play WvW in epic scaled battles.

Lets hope it doesnt flop as we realy need to get more mmo's with open world pvp instead of arena style duals.

  Lissyl

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Why yes, I DO like healing and the Trinity!

3/13/14 5:03:08 AM#17
Because of exploiters and griefers.  Find 1,000 PVP-hating PVE'ers that have given PVP a legitimate shot, and I'll lay good money that at least 85% of them will answer one of those or a derivative of the same.
  Swids2010

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Pay to Win. If it can be earned in game its not pay to win FACT

3/13/14 5:12:32 AM#18

I get the impression most people that want Open world PVP don't want a fair fight and instead more the ability to one shot as many noobs as they can. Arena type BG's are there too give you a fair fight everyone there is willing to fight and die.

But then again people killing the idiots that hunted noobs gave me a lot of fun in Tera was part of a guild that hunted these people had a lot of fun doing it and keeping lower levels playing.

  Sk1ppeR

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3/13/14 5:12:52 AM#19
Originally posted by Mothanos

Looked at ESO soem time ago and it dint seem to be something i liked.....
Last beta i got in and it totaly suprised me, Cyrodill is A W E S O M E

WvW is something that needs to hit the sweetspot and Zenimax just did that.
Dint think i would liked it as GW2 became so boring with zerging empty keeps over and over and over again.....

The big diffrence is that ESO has healers, and i just happen to love healing :)
I have no idea how this will turn out, as all the mmo's i bought past 7 years were all flops or outright awfull waiste of money.
So i might be wrong again, but anything is better then WoW / GW2 atm so ESO might fill that gap of pvp needs :)

EQN i have no clue about....some say its going the path of Eve Online ^^ that would be EPIC !
Wildstar looks more like WoW in regards to 10vs10 and 15vs15 altough fun ! i much rather play WvW in epic scaled battles.

Lets hope it doesnt flop as we realy need to get more mmo's with open world pvp instead of arena style duals.

[mod edit]  Do you honestly think that Gw2 was a zergfest when it launched? People just figured how to maximize points. Same will happen on TESO. People will always pick the safest way to deal with things. Of course that is if TESO ever gets the concurency Gw2 does in WvW :)

  skyline385

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3/13/14 5:13:04 AM#20
Originally posted by MMOExposed
Originally posted by funyahns
 Because it only takes a handful of idiots to drive off paying customers.

This sums it up nicely.

 

Puts too much power in the hands of internet trolls that simply want to ruin everybody else's experience, with the shield of the internet to protect them from doing so and getting rewarded to troll.

Never thought i would ever agree with MMOExposed but yea, what he says is true.

I loved GW2's WvW even if it got Zergy at times but because Cyrodil is so huge and the number of players are limited at only 2000 max which is the number for a worst case scenario (guests, campaign balancing by server, etc.), i am already worried about the grieving that will ensue. Just look at some of the trolls on this site if you want an example of how bad some people can get.

My plan for Cyrodil is to join a good guild and mostly roam with them. I don't want to kill my brain cells because of some "people".

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