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  Mors.Magne

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3/10/14 10:10:20 AM#21

I hope Reza writes an article on best DPS classes.

 

I used to play a fire mage, but WoW stopped being fun for me when Blizzard did away with the talent trees.

 

It's not fun when you intended to be a glass cannon, but then get demoted to either AoE or crowd control. 

 
  Ozmodan

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3/10/14 10:23:36 AM#22
A more clueless article than most.  Learn something about all the classes before posting something like this.
  Kevyne-Shandris

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3/10/14 10:37:33 AM#23
Originally posted by CyberNigma
Originally posted by Malvious
Originally posted by hallucigenocide
Originally posted by Satanixx
Originally posted by evilastro
Frost was never a tank spec. Unless you were joking about it being overpowered DPS and getting aggro.

 

When DK's were released Frost was their tanking tree.

 

Guess you just started.

no only the presence was for tanking as far as i can remember every tank was unholy.. anyone else miss the blood dps specc?

Frost was the tanking spec back when they released. No one ever tanked unholy unless you had some clueless fucks.

 

Well, just to clarify to others since it's hard to read people on the internet.  The Death Knight was released by Blizzard with the Frost Presence as the only tanking presence and all three specs/trees viable tanking trees (according to them).

 

Now that doesn't mean that all three trees were equal, as we saw, but yeah they were all three viable tanking specs in Blizzards eyes - up until they decided they weren't and made Blood the only tanking spec and presence.

 

Even within Frost spec, you could tank single or dual weapon as well (dual was pretty fun to watch).

 

They decided it was better to narrow the tanking specs down to just 1(blood) like the other classes instead of having 3 tanking specs (one of which could single or dual wield) under one presence.

 
The three specs for tanking were supposed to be biased towards certain fights/situations originally.

Which didn't come until MoP. This whole side discussion erupted because folks didn't read -- WotLK.

 

In Cata, presences were used from anything like dumping runic power to gaining it (Blood was severely runic starved; Frost had to use Unholy presence to dump the stupidly crazy amounts of runic power that spec generated). Now, presences are role specific (similar to EQ2's stances in execution).

 

In WotLK, Blood was the MT tanking sub-class and stance. Frost was the AoE tanking sub-class, perfect for off-tanking when AoE mattered.  Unholy performed more like Frost today. In Cata, the presences defined the roles more. Blood sometimes had to give up mitigation to gain more runic power. Frost was defined as a DPS 1-H dual welding spec (woe anyone using a 2-H then, which was nice because Frost would've needed on any weapon, especially 2-Hs otherwise to the detriment of too many melee specs). Unholy became more the anti-caster spec.

  neve1272

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3/10/14 11:07:11 AM#24

i really loved what blizzard was doing  with the death knight in early wrath frost dk tank was the most fun i ever had tanking and the choice and flexibility of tanking or dpsing in any tree was great

wish they would try stuff like that more

  Gravarg

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3/10/14 11:11:23 AM#25
Originally posted by Carnicide

"the Death Knight is a very fun class to play and you often feel pretty bad ass especially being able to wield two, two-handed weapons!"

When did DK dual wield 2handed weapons?

Rune weapon? :)

 

But I agree, Warrior is my favorite, with monk right behind.  I don't like DK at all though, so my bottom 3 are druid, pally, dk.  I miss Warrior's super tanking ability though.  It seems like we are truly just a meat shield now.  It used to be we could dodge and parry almost everything and block whatever wasn't.  Now it's more about blocking and just taking hits to the face lol.

  Carnicide

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3/10/14 11:30:19 AM#26
Originally posted by Gravarg
Originally posted by Carnicide

"the Death Knight is a very fun class to play and you often feel pretty bad ass especially being able to wield two, two-handed weapons!"

When did DK dual wield 2handed weapons?

Rune weapon? :)

 

But I agree, Warrior is my favorite, with monk right behind.  I don't like DK at all though, so my bottom 3 are druid, pally, dk.  I miss Warrior's super tanking ability though.  It seems like we are truly just a meat shield now.  It used to be we could dodge and parry almost everything and block whatever wasn't.  Now it's more about blocking and just taking hits to the face lol.

Rune weapon shouldn't count since you're not wielding it.It simply flies around smacking things.

  Xiaoki

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3/10/14 1:22:39 PM#27

Ignoring the "this class doesnt feel fun, so I dont like it" parameters here is how the tanks stack up in damage taken in 25 man heroic raids currently.


http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/#0000000000000000000000011111000000


But even this doesnt tell the complete story.

  SoulTrapOnSelf

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3/10/14 1:34:05 PM#28
#1 should be the pally, anything below it is blasphemy :b
  sazabius

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3/10/14 1:42:06 PM#29

Great thread and great misinformation. Who writes this crap? Don't journalists actually do research anymore (you know if you haven't actually played the game or the class maybe you should try that...). Mainly I just get tired of it so here are actual facts about DK tanks:

 

Anyway I've played DKs since WotlK beta, up until the end of MoP.

 

DKs ORIGINALLY were a tri-spec tank class.

 

DKs could always tank with a SINGLE 2 Hand weapon or Dual Wield (one or the other being more optimal depending on spec and situation, this changed wildly during beta and release). No DKs do not have Titan's Grip (DW 2handers)... For the most part tanking has favored a 'single' (lol ok I jest) 2H weapon due to stats and runeforge choices. There was a period were Frost tanks favored dual wield.

 

The original 3 specs all had tanking niches and all used FROST PRESENCE for tanking (hence the common conception that all DK tanks were frost tanks for some reason).

 

Blood spec was mainly a single target tank spec with a lot of additional healing and good cleave attacks (I can't recall if the dps portion of blood spec, it's armor penetration mechanics, played into the tank spec at all. I remember blood dps stacking armor pen). Your sole source of AoE threat was Blood Boil and DnD (and well Heart Strike cleave)

 

Frost was a ranged AoE spec outright. Always has been. It by far had the easiest time with AoE packs and threat gen i.e. HB spam. It was also widely regarded as having the worst mitigation depending on who you asked. IMO this was the 'noob' spec of the three meant to make up for both gear and skill with easy to use spammable abilities and simple mechanics + great aoe threat. I'm not saying it was a terrible spec at all, just that of all my time tanking on DKs this spec was used the least mainly because I personally didn't need the extra AoE threat and raid tanks generally were unholy or blood.

 

Yes Unholy, once upon a time, was a tanking spec. It was easily my favorite in beta, and what made it to live was similar but not near as overpowered. The signature spell unholy blight was originally designed as a rolling AoE dot that you could keep up indefinitely although it had a very small area of effect around the DK. This is also where another signature spell came from, bone shield. Unholy DKs excelled at neither threat or AoE, but they had unique tools and superior mitigation which made this the spec of choice for raid tanks through most of beta and early live.

 

Iirc blood had the best physical mitigation and unholy had some extra magic mitigation, with frost falling somewhere in-between (or below). All three used DnD for AoE threat (with blood relying on it the most for AoE).

 

In the end we all know how Blizzard's experiment of a tri-spec tanking class ended. Most of the signature tanking abilities from each of the trees were eventually rolled into blood, with frost and unholy becoming dps trees (and blood becoming the tanking presence). Obviously they kept bone shield ;p DKs in MoP also had some interesting choices in talents not really bringing back the tri-spec but giving DKs that had been shoehorned into blood tanking to get some of their frost/unholy abilities back.

 

Sorry if I posted any misinformation in there, feel free to correct me (I haven't played WoW for like 2 years...).

 
 
  Mors.Magne

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3/10/14 2:22:01 PM#30
Originally posted by Xiaoki

Ignoring the "this class doesnt feel fun, so I dont like it" parameters here is how the tanks stack up in damage taken in 25 man heroic raids currently.


http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/#0000000000000000000000011111000000


But even this doesnt tell the complete story.

 

How a class (or a game) 'feels' is absolutely everything.

 

For example, 95% of players say that combat in TSW "doesn't feel right". This has been responsible for some really poor professional reviews

 

And for me personally, Blizzard totally ruined Fire Mages when talent trees were removed - now, they just feel like utter crap.

  CrazKanuk

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3/10/14 2:34:11 PM#31
Originally posted by Xiaoki

Ignoring the "this class doesnt feel fun, so I dont like it" parameters here is how the tanks stack up in damage taken in 25 man heroic raids currently.


http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/#0000000000000000000000011111000000


But even this doesnt tell the complete story.

I'd believe that. Although in my experience, my Pally actually does less damage than my DK. Warr tanks would definitely be at the top of the list, though, for dps. As far as survivability goes, idk.  

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  G4NK3D

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3/10/14 3:55:46 PM#32
Originally posted by evilastro
Frost was never a tank spec. Unless you were joking about it being overpowered DPS and getting aggro.

You sir...  must be new to WoW..... Yes it was...  Frost DW Tanking...  You know, back when Blizzard still gave classes the freedom to choose your own spec and make bad decisions.

  year3214

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3/10/14 4:16:49 PM#33
blizzard has allready posted there top tank specs so no ones opinion matters when the best tank has allready been decided by the game owners blood dk is the #1 tank with a 250k+ heal per hit from blood strike and the only class to hit over 1mil hp as a tank blood dk holds the top tank slot then warrior then pally then monk these stats are based on raids blizzard dose not go by anything els to rate tanks unless your good at raiding your no tank your a noob i have 2 tanks 1 dps 561 blood dk 567 prot pally and 570 surv hunter 1 hit from my dk i heal 280k no one has been able to solo pvp me takes 3+ people to kill a good dk only class comes close to soloing a blood dk is frostmage
  Mors.Magne

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3/10/14 4:33:44 PM#34
Originally posted by year3214
blizzard has allready posted there top tank specs so no ones opinion matters when the best tank has allready been decided by the game owners blood dk is the #1 tank with a 250k+ heal per hit from blood strike and the only class to hit over 1mil hp as a tank blood dk holds the top tank slot then warrior then pally then monk these stats are based on raids blizzard dose not go by anything els to rate tanks unless your good at raiding your no tank your a noob i have 2 tanks 1 dps 561 blood dk 567 prot pally and 570 surv hunter 1 hit from my dk i heal 280k no one has been able to solo pvp me takes 3+ people to kill a good dk only class comes close to soloing a blood dk is frostmage

 

Usually, Blizzard buff classes that are not popular and nerf classes that are too popular.

 

Therefore, it would be logical to assume that if warriors have the best DPS, they suck in other aspects.

 

This is the main reason why I stopped playing WoW (classes that were too fun (popular) got the nerf bat, e.g. - fire mage).

  Fdzzaigl

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3/10/14 4:42:35 PM#35

Well, I definitely had fun being nr1. on both healing and threat in most LFR groups on my short return to WoW as a blood DK tank. I really enjoyed the way you were actively tanking as well, you weren't only just throwing up more and more barriers between you and the mob but actually constantly looking to regen your health.

I (off)tanked as a pally too in TBC, but I honestly don't remember too much about that other than that it was more viable than going mage DPS for me at the time. Didn't raid much overall in TBC tho.

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  Ekoazarak

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3/10/14 9:37:23 PM#36

what fucking difference does it make? The game is so fucking easy you can SOLO many RAID BOSSES, 5 man and solo content can be tanked by DPS classes in CLOTH ARMOR...

World of Warcraft is a fucking lame joke now. Stop writing articles as if tactics or builds or class diversity matters.

  CKPlayGame

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3/10/14 10:35:48 PM#37
Originally posted by evilastro
Frost was never a tank spec. Unless you were joking about it being overpowered DPS and getting aggro.

you didn't play the early DKs right? Blood was dps and frost was tank.

And you probably missed the AoE tank spec with 2 1h'er when you can do howling blast like 10 times in 10 seconds.

Don't assume it didn't happen just because you didn't try.

  Gestankfaust

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3/11/14 1:42:00 AM#38
Why are we still talking about this game?


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  Mors.Magne

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3/11/14 4:26:22 AM#39
Originally posted by Gestankfaust
Why are we still talking about this game?

 

That's a good question! I think it's because most gamers have 'invested' both time and money into this game already. For example, they have probably already bought an in-game item through the cash shop, so they are going to look to return to WoW before they consider a different game.

 

Also, most MMORPGs on the market have been designed to emulate WoW's successful methods, so Blizzard doesn't need to attract new players - their goal should be to hang on to old players. 

 

This sounds easy, but Blizzard could well mess it up because as companies grow and become successful, they tend to become less innovative for various reasons. Innovation is everything in terms of wanting to be number 1 - as Apple is learning with Samsung etc.

  Ice-Queen

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3/11/14 5:17:32 AM#40
For raiding my DK was always prefered over the warrior, there are just so many much the other tanking classes offered over the warrior. Not sure how it is now, this was when I last played, when they introduced the Timeless Isle. DK was easy faceroll for tanking though, just put in my rotation in my razer and hold one button while the magic happened, lol. Course a few situations required a few skills not in the rotation, but for the most part, faceroll.

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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Dark Age of Camelot

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