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  DAS1337

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3/01/14 3:06:48 PM#41
According to MMORPG.com, any game that has a multiplayer mode can be considered a MMO.
  nariusseldon

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3/01/14 4:08:46 PM#42
Originally posted by madazz

I simply don't understand why people with a poor grasp of english think they should be the deciding factor in destroying a descriptor for a genre of games. The words are very clear and are not up for debate. 

 

What is up for debate, however, is whether those words needed to be used literally. Categorization of stuff changes all the time.

A FPS can have stealth elements, for example, and you don't have to "shoot" all the time. No one minds calling Dishonored a FPS.

 

  Loke666

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3/01/14 4:21:52 PM#43

As I see it, a Massive multiplayer online game needs a certain number of players. A game in which you never meet more than the small group you play with like Diablo is not a MMO no matter what.

We could argue exactly how many players a game needs to be massive though, personally I think more than 128 player on the same server at the same enough. That is my opinion but I have a feeling most people would agree that 5 people isn't "massive".

The type of game, the mechanics of the same game does not matter there, even if it is a different thing with a MMORPG game than a MMO. Many eople might argue and say that a MMO also should have a permanent world that always is on but frankly would a gigantic FPS game with 10000 people fighting in the trenches of WW1 be as massive as any MMORPG even if it was just a match.

MMORPGs are MMOs but all MMOs doesn't have to be MMORPGs.

  nariusseldon

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3/01/14 4:25:49 PM#44
Originally posted by Loke666

 

We could argue exactly how many players a game needs to be massive though, personally I think more than 128 player on the same server at the same enough. That is my opinion but I have a feeling most people would agree that 5 people isn't "massive".

But it is massive to be able to choose 5 out of millions.

  versulas

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3/01/14 4:36:18 PM#45

If it doesn't have an open and persistent world, it's not an MMO. 

ie. Anything with a lobby to join a match is not open and anything that is 100% instanced can not be persistent

  Loke666

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3/01/14 4:38:10 PM#46
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Loke666

 

We could argue exactly how many players a game needs to be massive though, personally I think more than 128 player on the same server at the same enough. That is my opinion but I have a feeling most people would agree that 5 people isn't "massive".

But it is massive to be able to choose 5 out of millions.

No, it is not since you only interact with 4 other players there at the same time. "Massive" games have massive gameplay.

  lizardbones

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3/01/14 4:41:14 PM#47
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by MMOExposed

so what kind of Video Game is NOT considered MMO games?

Since the MMO community , as well as sites like this and massively, along with the industry have decided it was a good reason to change the requirements for a video game to be considered a MMO video game.

The staff here and on other sites have answered this question several times. The inclusion of other games is because they are of interest to their current audience. 

The requirements for consideration for their sites have nothing to do with anyone's requirements, perception, or definition of what constitutes an MMO. 

  • create a false fact
  • base the conclusion on it
  • ask others to discuss the conclusion

It fascinates me how well that works on this crowd. 

 

 

If this thread make it to another page, it will continue as if this post never happened.

 

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Loke666

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3/01/14 4:41:52 PM#48
Originally posted by versulas

If it doesn't have an open and persistent world, it's not an MMO. 

ie. Anything with a lobby to join a match is not open and anything that is 100% instanced can not be persistent

I think you are confusing MMORPGs with MMOs. 

MMO= Massive multiplayer online (game)

MMORPG = massive multiplaer online roleplaying game

The number of players in the lobby does not make a game massive though, but a game does not need to be persistent to be massive.

  Forgrimm

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3/01/14 4:42:19 PM#49
If any game with an online component and a large player base is an MMO, then why are MOBA's not called MMOBA's? It's simple, because there's nothing "Massive" about them. Just like there's nothing massive about a 10 vs 10 Call of Duty match that's played on a map that is smaller than most true mmo game zones. The first "M" in "MMO" isnt just for show. Without the "Massively" part, then a game isn't an MMO.
  versulas

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3/01/14 5:08:32 PM#50
Originally posted by Loke666

I think you are confusing MMORPGs with MMOs. 

MMO= Massive multiplayer online (game)

MMORPG = massive multiplaer online roleplaying game

The number of players in the lobby does not make a game massive though, but a game does not need to be persistent to be massive.

As if removing the last 3 letters of the acronym somehow changes the first... MMOFPS and MMORTS games still take place in a persistent world.

  nariusseldon

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3/01/14 7:20:10 PM#51
Originally posted by Loke666
 

No, it is not since you only interact with 4 other players there at the same time. "Massive" games have massive gameplay.

Since when?

WoW dungeons are 5,10, 25-man. That is hardly massive .. in fact, smaller than even a BF4 game. Ditto for NWO, GW1, DDO, .....

You must think that all words in a label needs to be literal ... just that LoL and D3 are listed here shows that it is not true.

 

  Forgrimm

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3/01/14 8:12:05 PM#52
Originally posted by nariusseldon

Since when?

WoW dungeons are 5,10, 25-man. That is hardly massive .. in fact, smaller than even a BF4 game. Ditto for NWO, GW1, DDO, .....

You must think that all words in a label needs to be literal ... just that LoL and D3 are listed here shows that it is not true.

Instanced dungeons are only one part of WoW. You failed to mention the non-instanced zones in which hundreds of players can be in simultaneously.

  Kevyne-Shandris

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3/01/14 8:20:24 PM#53
Originally posted by Kyleran
Madden NFL, but I'm not quite sure why, I mean there's 24 characters on the field right?

Sounds stupid now, but mark my words, these sites will one day complete whoring themselves out and include them based on player interest.

About the sum of it. When I see card games included as a MMO, it's time to just change the name of the site to an generic game site, instead.

  nariusseldon

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3/03/14 8:44:56 AM#54
Originally posted by Forgrimm
Originally posted by nariusseldon

Since when?

WoW dungeons are 5,10, 25-man. That is hardly massive .. in fact, smaller than even a BF4 game. Ditto for NWO, GW1, DDO, .....

You must think that all words in a label needs to be literal ... just that LoL and D3 are listed here shows that it is not true.

Instanced dungeons are only one part of WoW. You failed to mention the non-instanced zones in which hundreds of players can be in simultaneously.

and a) no one does anything with anyone else anyway even in those zones except tagging mobs you are about to attack to steal that mine nodes from you, and b) leveling up is only very small part of the gameplay .. most is the instanced gameplay at end game .. and very many would just queue dungeons to level up anyway.

 

  nariusseldon

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3/03/14 8:46:07 AM#55
Originally posted by Kevyne-Shandris
Originally posted by Kyleran
Madden NFL, but I'm not quite sure why, I mean there's 24 characters on the field right?

Sounds stupid now, but mark my words, these sites will one day complete whoring themselves out and include them based on player interest.

About the sum of it. When I see card games included as a MMO, it's time to just change the name of the site to an generic game site, instead.

nah .. just broaden the meaning of MMOs to include more games. Problem solved.

In fact, isn't that already happening?

  dave6660

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3/03/14 8:51:37 AM#56

Freecell.  Even the most egregious marketing and advertising people couldn't spin that as an MMO.

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  MMOExposed

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OP  3/03/14 12:13:59 PM#57
Originally posted by dave6660

Freecell.  Even the most egregious marketing and advertising people couldn't spin that as an MMO.

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  Ender4

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3/03/14 12:17:13 PM#58


Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Loke666

 
No, it is not since you only interact with 4 other players there at the same time. "Massive" games have massive gameplay.
Since when?

WoW dungeons are 5,10, 25-man. That is hardly massive .. in fact, smaller than even a BF4 game. Ditto for NWO, GW1, DDO, .....

You must think that all words in a label needs to be literal ... just that LoL and D3 are listed here shows that it is not true.

 



Go play WoW on expansion day, go to the first zone in the expansion. You will see hundreds of people. WoW is not a good example at all. LoL you never have more than a 5v5, that is not massive by any means.

  nariusseldon

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3/03/14 1:12:53 PM#59
Originally posted by Ender4


Go play WoW on expansion day, go to the first zone in the expansion. You will see hundreds of people.

Sure .. and in two weeks, that zone will be a ghost town.

Wow typically releases expansion .. what .. every 18 months? That is roughly 78 weeks. So most of the time, wow is really not that massive except the cities which act as lobbies.

Furthermore, it is not like those quest leveling players are grouping or anything. They may as well be in an instance. Sometimes phasing will separate them anyway.

 

  Axxar

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3/04/14 5:23:07 AM#60


Originally posted by lizardbones
Is the place players are interacting a world, and is it persistent?
 

If Yes, then it's probably an MMORPG (World of Warcraft, Eve).
 

If No, then it's probably just an MMO (Diablo III, Call of Duty).


Maybe you wrote this differently from what you meant to write, but I would say that Diablo 3 is an RPG but not an MMO.

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