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  whisperwynd

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3/03/14 1:10:03 AM#21
Originally posted by inemosz

My point is that the game is still in beta and open for changes/optimizations. If you've been reading the news and the latest PST patch notes, so far they've read the feedbacks and revamped the animations and many other things.

If they can make it better why do you so against it?

If the they make the game better, it'll lead to more players, isn't that a good thing?

 Improvements on bugs and clunky animations is always good. Changing things because alot of vocal ppl that 'prefer' a said feature is not always doing the genre a service. 

 Saying, however, a game should have this instead of that and post about it with venom in the words is either trolling or indeed fell prey to high expectations not being met. 

I'm not speaking of valid complaints of CTDs (for launches) or broken quests needing fixes, but the run of the mill preferences and then saying 'This game sucks' or 'It'll fail' because it didn't have them. 

Wasted energy IMO. Life's too short to get worked up over game features.

 

  mcrippins

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3/03/14 2:08:53 AM#22
Originally posted by whisperwynd
Originally posted by inemosz

My point is that the game is still in beta and open for changes/optimizations. If you've been reading the news and the latest PST patch notes, so far they've read the feedbacks and revamped the animations and many other things.

If they can make it better why do you so against it?

If the they make the game better, it'll lead to more players, isn't that a good thing?

 Improvements on bugs and clunky animations is always good. Changing things because alot of vocal ppl that 'prefer' a said feature is not always doing the genre a service. 

 Saying, however, a game should have this instead of that and post about it with venom in the words is either trolling or indeed fell prey to high expectations not being met. 

I'm not speaking of valid complaints of CTDs (for launches) or broken quests needing fixes, but the run of the mill preferences and then saying 'This game sucks' or 'It'll fail' because it didn't have them. 

Wasted energy IMO. Life's too short to get worked up over game features.

 

Not only that, but people some people don't seem to know the difference between their personal preference and an actual problem with the game. Inemosz seems to think that it's a problem that targeting is the way it is. This wasn't an accident or a mistake. It's how they wanted it to be. I like it. Some won't. To try and change such a large mechanic at this point in the game would be absurd. Especially to something so generic as tab targeting. Soft targeting works fine. I personally think it's necessary for archers. Pin point accuracy in certain areas would be extremely difficult, and not fun for most people that enjoy the archer class. Tab targeting seems like it would just be straight up boring. This mechanic seems to be the best system they could have done for archers. This is just an opinion.

  kkarrabbass

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I was a smart man once...

3/03/14 3:36:35 AM#23
Originally posted by inemosz

My point is that the game is still in beta and open for changes/optimizations. If you've been reading the news and the latest PST patch notes, so far they've read the feedbacks and revamped the animations and many other things.

If they can make it better why do you so against it?

If the they make the game better, it'll lead to more players, isn't that a good thing?

No, I am not against it. I am just trying to consider situation that some of us (possibly including myself) might underestimate cleverness of developers. Maybe, just maybe their choice may grant us more gratifying and diversified play stile on a long run.

  Iselin

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3/03/14 3:40:17 AM#24
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Why did the Developers try to deceive us with the fake aim based combat?

 

It's a conspiracy.... and why do you capitalize "developers" the way you capitalize God but not gods? ... just curious

  kkarrabbass

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3/03/14 3:51:17 AM#25
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Why did the Developers try to deceive us with the fake aim based combat?

 

It's a conspiracy.... and why do you capitalize "developers" the way you capitalize God but not gods? ... just curious

So, new religion! New prophet!

  Pigozz

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3/03/14 3:53:15 AM#26

Its sad that Tabula Rasa pulled this off much better years ago .. God I miss that game :(

 

 

MMOs played chronologically:
Runescape,Lineage II, WoW,Tabula Rasa, AoC,Eve Online,Guild Wars, Rift(beta only),SWTOR(beta only),Star Trek Online
Most fun: Tabula Rasa

  Digna

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3/03/14 4:07:42 AM#27
Originally posted by mcrippins
Originally posted by whisperwynd
Originally posted by inemosz

My point is that the game is still in beta and open for changes/optimizations. If you've been reading the news and the latest PST patch notes, so far they've read the feedbacks and revamped the animations and many other things.

If they can make it better why do you so against it?

If the they make the game better, it'll lead to more players, isn't that a good thing?

 Improvements on bugs and clunky animations is always good. Changing things because alot of vocal ppl that 'prefer' a said feature is not always doing the genre a service. 

 Saying, however, a game should have this instead of that and post about it with venom in the words is either trolling or indeed fell prey to high expectations not being met. 

I'm not speaking of valid complaints of CTDs (for launches) or broken quests needing fixes, but the run of the mill preferences and then saying 'This game sucks' or 'It'll fail' because it didn't have them. 

Wasted energy IMO. Life's too short to get worked up over game features.

 

Not only that, but people some people don't seem to know the difference between their personal preference and an actual problem with the game. Inemosz seems to think that it's a problem that targeting is the way it is. This wasn't an accident or a mistake. It's how they wanted it to be.

You pretty much hit it. If 1000 people say 'yes we want' and 100K say 'no we don't want' guess who is going to win? The devs have their own metrics. If too many are voting against (or for) something and its reasonable, they seem to be doing things in the prevailing directions. The starter areas for instance.

So many people found them boring/slow they....took them out. Personally I disagree with this  and will be doing the areas without qualms. The majority spoke and the devs listened.

If the majority asks for tab targeting (since there IS a light form of it - Tab lock vs tab targeting) I see it as a future option. If most don't mind the soft targeting (I don't) it will stay the way it is.

My personal opinion may be THE great change the game needs......but it probably isn't.

  Lord.Bachus

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3/03/14 4:08:34 AM#28

-- real time targetting can be done in 2 ways

 

-> Server side, which is really CPU taxing, and lag sensitive,  on top of that it does not work well with huge amounts of characters in a small part of the world together. This is where Chronicles of Spellborn wasted most of its budget and never got it right

-> Client side, this is what Tabula Rasa did, but if you do things client side, its almost an encouragement for cheeters, aimbots are a special treat in these kind of games..

 

So basically as with all developer choices it was a trade off between 2 things....

-giving the people the feeling of a real targetting system, while not taxing the servers to much or encouraging the cheaters.

The system worked quite well in GW2, and will probably be the standard for some time.. 

 

 

Personally i can live with this system, as long as it allows for this type of fun combat.

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  Hultay

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3/03/14 4:09:24 AM#29

I think it may also have something to do with cheating.

As we all know ... Darkfall, MO, all FPS shooters... Atleast that is what I think.

  Kuinn

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3/03/14 4:17:28 AM#30
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Why did the Developers try to deceive us with the fake aim based combat?

I dont understand the point of that.

 

Why not just have Tab-Target like it actually is?

Not a knock on the game's other aspects and fun value, but seem to be an insult of our intelligence, as if we wouldn't notice the difference.

Because I want to target with reticule? Because I dont want to spam tab? How is it insult when you CAN tab target in the game? You're trying way too hard to get insulted.

  inemosz

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3/03/14 4:30:25 AM#31
Originally posted by whisperwynd
Originally posted by inemosz

My point is that the game is still in beta and open for changes/optimizations. If you've been reading the news and the latest PST patch notes, so far they've read the feedbacks and revamped the animations and many other things.

If they can make it better why do you so against it?

If the they make the game better, it'll lead to more players, isn't that a good thing?

 Improvements on bugs and clunky animations is always good. Changing things because alot of vocal ppl that 'prefer' a said feature is not always doing the genre a service. 

 Saying, however, a game should have this instead of that and post about it with venom in the words is either trolling or indeed fell prey to high expectations not being met. 

I'm not speaking of valid complaints of CTDs (for launches) or broken quests needing fixes, but the run of the mill preferences and then saying 'This game sucks' or 'It'll fail' because it didn't have them. 

Wasted energy IMO. Life's too short to get worked up over game features.

Well, pardon me if my choice of words are considered as venom. This site is my main English learning facility and my vocabulary are still growing in number.

 

The thing is, they do listen. Some of the complaints are already implemented, such as 1st person mode, any race any faction, animations, etc. And I didn't say anything about 'This game sucks' or 'It'll fail' as I've already pre-ordered and willing to give it a try. 

  Hrotha

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Joined: 4/25/08
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3/03/14 5:21:30 AM#32
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Why did the Developers try to deceive us with the fake aim based combat?

I dont understand the point of that.

 

Why not just have Tab-Target like it actually is?

Not a knock on the game's other aspects and fun value, but seem to be an insult of our intelligence, as if we wouldn't notice the difference.

Congratulations on looking behind a game mechanic.

Now to wake you up completely: The world you play in is artificial, it is fantasy. Nothing of this is real and has any meaning outside of the game.

And dont even come up with arguements that a game has meaning that shifts into Real Life. Because it does not. It is within it's frames and it's limitations. And they are so super small that it hurts. It hurts us all at one point and that is why we quit. And we starta gain at another MMO and think we have freedom there, but we forget that this is all men-made and therefor very, very limited.

I suggest exploring life out there and seeking your true origin. This is one of the reasons you came here, not to play videogames. Oh yes maybe it was, to finally understand that they have no meaning.

  whisperwynd

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3/03/14 10:05:59 AM#33
Originally posted by inemosz

Well, pardon me if my choice of words are considered as venom. This site is my main English learning facility and my vocabulary are still growing in number.

 

The thing is, they do listen. Some of the complaints are already implemented, such as 1st person mode, any race any faction, animations, etc. And I didn't say anything about 'This game sucks' or 'It'll fail' as I've already pre-ordered and willing to give it a try. 

You misunderstood me. I meant those that say 'This game sucks' for no apparent reason, not aiming the 'venom filled posts' toward you. 

And like I said, just because they listen to the vocal ones doesn't always mean an improvement to the game, just giving in to those that were more 'up in arms'. Those content with how things are seldom come out and voice their happiness.

Again, it was no attack on you. 

  gestalt11

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3/03/14 10:12:04 AM#34

Why did the OP try to deceive us by putting false words in the devs' mouths?

 

The developers' have always stated this was a soft lock system.  They did not make up soft lock systems.  They have been around for a while.

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