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General Gaming  » European Union: Stop calling games "free to play" which are not!

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  AzurePrower

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Ahh yes, "Hypers." The people who praise and hate every MMORPG... We've dismissed that claim.

2/28/14 12:50:36 AM#41
Originally posted by Kuviski
Personally I am definitely in support of this. Advertising should be regulated toughly, especially when its aimed at children (which a lot of "free" to play games are) and let's face it, a lot of games calling themselves F2P really aren't: most of the time the free portion is in fact a trial of some sort.

New term to coin!

 

F2D.

Free to D.

Free to Demo.

  Kyllien

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2/28/14 12:55:21 AM#42

Stupid European Union.  Come on everyone knows that free to play means you can download the game for free.  Then you can play the game for free.  In-game purchases are optional.

New required model for purchasing a new game:

Base Game: $0.00

Play time: $0.00

Future purchase options:

Option 1: $1.00

Option 2: $.50

.

.

.

Option 3432: $15.00

Bundle 1: $30.00

Bundle 1 include 1: $5.00

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Bundle 15 ...

  Stizzled

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Kill Your Heroes

2/28/14 12:56:21 AM#43
Originally posted by AzurePrower

New term to coin!

 

F2D.

Free to D.

Free to Demo.

So, I'm only playing a demo of SWTOR, or Neverwinter, or RIFT? How about Planetside 2, or Everquest Next: Landmark, or Path of Exile, World of Tanks, Star Trek Online, Champions Online or DC Universe Online, are those only demos as well?

  Loktofeit

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Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ArcheAge, and Combat Arms

2/28/14 12:59:52 AM#44
Originally posted by DMKano

Rift will keep the label in EU - as it is really free to play in its entirety.

According to the quote in the OP, the optional purchases will cause it to lose that title. That said, I'd like to see data that shows that any significant number of people outside a tiny handful of obtuse folks here are actually misled by the name. 

The commission's goal seems to be to change the term, which the F2P marketing teams would love to see happen, as they can ride the buzz around the new name for months, if not a year or so. It opens a new window for them to pitch the value of the business model - No box fee! No sub! Play [GameTitle], the hottest [NewTerm] [Genre] of 2014!

 

It would be interesting to see how much money and time they waste on this project.

Cool Crowfall info and speculation - http://www.thewulfden.com/search/label/Crowfall

  Kyllien

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2/28/14 1:02:30 AM#45
Originally posted by Stizzled
Originally posted by AzurePrower

New term to coin!

 

F2D.

Free to D.

Free to Demo.

So, I'm only playing a demo of SWTOR, or Neverwinter, or RIFT? How about Planetside 2, or Everquest Next: Landmark, or Path of Exile, World of Tanks, Star Trek Online, Champions Online or DC Universe Online, are those only demos as well?

I suspect and hope they are actually looking more at the casual game market: Farm Ville ..., Smurf ... You know games that you can only play for 5 minutes at a time  once every 24 hours unless you buy something to extend play time immediately.

  Swids2010

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Posts: 240

2/28/14 1:04:20 AM#46
Always amaze's me how many people think there entitled to be just given free games. This will have come about because some idiot will of been playing a game come to a pay wall of some sort and shit a brick "What they want me to pay some money for a game that up till now I've been playing for free stealing gits" Next he's calling his lawyers a couple years later it turns into this something that's just needed.

  Loktofeit

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Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ArcheAge, and Combat Arms

2/28/14 1:09:01 AM#47
[mod edit]

Cool Crowfall info and speculation - http://www.thewulfden.com/search/label/Crowfall

  Aeander

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Joined: 7/15/11
Posts: 511

2/28/14 1:09:50 AM#48
Completely asinine. The games are, in technicality, free-to-play, and disallowing the label on even strictly optional cosmetic purposes is absurd. 
  Spiider

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Joined: 2/15/05
Posts: 468

2/28/14 1:12:30 AM#49

Oh no, politicians want to protect us. Run for the hills!!!

Seriously if you want to have a big problem just let poltticians solve small problems for you. And now they "care" about naming of free to play... LOL!! Why are we paying their salaries I wonder sometimes.

No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.

  Stizzled

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Kill Your Heroes

2/28/14 1:12:49 AM#50
Originally posted by Kyllien
Originally posted by Stizzled
Originally posted by AzurePrower

New term to coin!

 

F2D.

Free to D.

Free to Demo.

So, I'm only playing a demo of SWTOR, or Neverwinter, or RIFT? How about Planetside 2, or Everquest Next: Landmark, or Path of Exile, World of Tanks, Star Trek Online, Champions Online or DC Universe Online, are those only demos as well?

I suspect and hope they are actually looking more at the casual game market: Farm Ville ..., Smurf ... You know games that you can only play for 5 minutes at a time  once every 24 hours unless you buy something to extend play time immediately.

They are, but most people in this thread are talking about MMOs because it was the OP's intention to stir up another F2P MMO debate.

 

I'd like to add that I'm all for this if it will actually do some good, which I doubt it will. The same thing could be accomplished by parents if they would just pay attention to what their kids are doing, but it's easier to just let the government worry about it. Most parents couldn't care less about what their children do, that is until it has an effect on their bank account.

  MikePaladin

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Joined: 10/04/13
Posts: 254

Creative nick name nuff to say...

2/28/14 1:17:47 AM#51

OMG we needed this so much !!!! Hope this is cure pill for MMO industy because they wont be able to face roll people with their fake models maybe now they will focus on Quality instead if quantity. This is some great news!

 

This people.... 

MMO game industry make crazy amount of money some in very unfair and scum ways....

 

Now that game can go on market and milk slowly gamers they will be forced to focus on quality.

Seriously view on problem of people is so small .... we live and a time of dumb people and we get dumber !

  WarWitch

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Posts: 103

2/28/14 1:22:18 AM#52
I Love it the so called free to play games cost way more and tank in more then the ptp games.
  Stizzled

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Kill Your Heroes

2/28/14 1:24:58 AM#53
Originally posted by MikePaladin
OMG we needed this so much !!!! Hope this is cure pill for MMO industy because they wont be able to face roll people with their fake models maybe now they will focus on Quality instead if quantity. This is some great news!

You didn't actually read the article did you?

 

To all those who think this is the start of something, even if this were about MMOs (which it isn't) restricting the use of the word "Free" isn't going to kill off a payment model. This is a baby step towards absolutely nothing.

  Elikal

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OP  2/28/14 1:33:12 AM#54
Originally posted by Swids2010
Always amaze's me how many people think there entitled to be just given free games. This will have come about because some idiot will of been playing a game come to a pay wall of some sort and shit a brick "What they want me to pay some money for a game that up till now I've been playing for free stealing gits" Next he's calling his lawyers a couple years later it turns into this something that's just needed.

I think you kinda miss the point here. It is not whether or not something is free, it is that a company can not call a product free, if it isn't. It's lying. That's what it is about.

People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert

  Cellarkid88

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Posts: 49

2/28/14 1:34:03 AM#55

 

The EU wants to protect me against cashgrab-apps by making their declaration with the product more distinct and people complain about that?

 

You guys are the reason my generation wants to die young, seriously.

 

 

 

Winning a discussion is not what it's about. If you could pass insight to someone or learn something from it in return - noone can really loose, can they?

  User Deleted
2/28/14 1:34:53 AM#56
Originally posted by Stizzled
Originally posted by MikePaladin
OMG we needed this so much !!!! Hope this is cure pill for MMO industy because they wont be able to face roll people with their fake models maybe now they will focus on Quality instead if quantity. This is some great news!

You didn't actually read the article did you?

 

To all those who think this is the start of something, even if this were about MMOs (which it isn't) restricting the use of the word "Free" isn't going to kill off a payment model. This is a baby step towards absolutely nothing.

I disagree.

I think this could be the start of some much needed regulation.

I understand this is for mobile apps- But hope this is a small step towards establishing some regulation and rules regarding virtual goods and services.

-You are probably correct in the short term, nothing changes. But something needs to happen- The gaming industry has practices which would be unacceptable in any other industry and its growing worse and worse.

  MikePaladin

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Posts: 254

Creative nick name nuff to say...

2/28/14 1:44:29 AM#57

I discussed this  topic a lot of times and regulation like this in long term will improve Game industry. there  a F2P Crossfire FPSMMO  witch has biggest income on top of WOW and many other Titans on MMO market.

If they will adopt this slowly they will do it for the rest.

You see more P2P mmo will be there better the quality will be because there will be competition.

 

ALSO this simple F2P naming is actually successful baiting people spending  thousands in free to play game.Only the fact that they reviewed this law gives us hope that sooner or later we will have law for regulation of MMO marked witch is falling apart.

 

  AzurePrower

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Posts: 1547

Ahh yes, "Hypers." The people who praise and hate every MMORPG... We've dismissed that claim.

2/28/14 1:44:34 AM#58
Originally posted by Stizzled
Originally posted by AzurePrower

New term to coin!

 

F2D.

Free to D.

Free to Demo.

So, I'm only playing a demo of SWTOR, or Neverwinter, or RIFT? How about Planetside 2, or Everquest Next: Landmark, or Path of Exile, World of Tanks, Star Trek Online, Champions Online or DC Universe Online, are those only demos as well?

Yes. Yes you are.

Yes. Yes they are.

Enjoy your demos!

  CazNeerg

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2/28/14 1:51:39 AM#59
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Swids2010
Always amaze's me how many people think there entitled to be just given free games. This will have come about because some idiot will of been playing a game come to a pay wall of some sort and shit a brick "What they want me to pay some money for a game that up till now I've been playing for free stealing gits" Next he's calling his lawyers a couple years later it turns into this something that's just needed.

I think you kinda miss the point here. It is not whether or not something is free, it is that a company can not call a product free, if it isn't. It's lying. That's what it is about.

There is a difference between calling it free, and calling it free to play.  Free to play isn't a lie.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

  Cellarkid88

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2/28/14 1:52:21 AM#60

Winning a discussion is not what it's about. If you could pass insight to someone or learn something from it in return - noone can really loose, can they?

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